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I have a Fleet Support Cruiser Retrofit T5U, and also the T6 Yamato (non fleet). According to the gamepedia, The Fleet Support Cruiser T5U has a base hull 49,968 and the T6 Dreadnought has base hull of 53,320. I can equip the two with the same console's (minus the hydrodynamics compensator on the dreadnought). The Support Cruiser's hull skyrockets past the dreadnought at 103,351. While the dreadnought barely gets to 95,000 in hull. All weapons, skills and traits remain the same. Is it supposed to do this?

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  • wendysue53wendysue53 Member Posts: 1,569 Arc User
    not sure. which consoles are you using? give us an image of them if possible for the stats as you may not be seeing something.
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,865 Arc User
    Also, where are you looking at this? In the Earth Spacedock system you may be getting team buffs from other players sometimes.
  • fl219fl219 Member Posts: 211 Arc User
    edited November 2016
    Okay, I got 2 pic's. I even tried a 3rd ship, the Endeavour class. According to the game, a 4 tac console ship has less damage potential then a 3 tac ship. That is just wacky. LOL!
    Had to do the images this way, because the forum would not cooperate. :) (pic wise)


    https://photos.shutterfly.com/gallery/827a075b-26b7-4c78-9db7-08d51629c6bf?type=shared
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    I can't see your pics without logging in to that site.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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  • fl219fl219 Member Posts: 211 Arc User
    edited November 2016
    rattler2 wrote: »
    I can't see your pics without logging in to that site.
    I sent the images to shutterfly. the link should work for anyone now.

  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    fl219 wrote: »
    I have a Fleet Support Cruiser Retrofit T5U, and also the T6 Yamato (non fleet). According to the gamepedia, The Fleet Support Cruiser T5U has a base hull 49,968 and the T6 Dreadnought has base hull of 53,320. I can equip the two with the same console's (minus the hydrodynamics compensator on the dreadnought). The Support Cruiser's hull skyrockets past the dreadnought at 103,351. While the dreadnought barely gets to 95,000 in hull. All weapons, skills and traits remain the same. Is it supposed to do this?

    Did you consider Mastery? Some ships will offer extra hull on their Mastery path.
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  • wendysue53wendysue53 Member Posts: 1,569 Arc User
    try posting them to Imgur.com or a similar site. then you can post the images to the forum just by typing the listed image link into the image slot on your typing area for each post. Make sure you type in the right image link though. Try each one they suggest and then hit 'preview' on the forum to see if you've done it correctly. If you get the image on the screen in the preview, you've done it right. No image, then try a different one.

    this is just the easiest way to do this. there are others.

    for instance... this image below uses the url http://imgur.com/pzMmb0l.jpg typed into the image slot above the typing area. It adds the BBCode, which I can't type here without funny things happening.

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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    Hm... Now that I can see them... Only variable I can think of right now is the mastery and maybe the extra console.

    I believe the typical Cruiser mastery track includes an HP buff. Depending on if both ships are leveled that might have an impact on it. Also... I believe fleet ships do have a higher base HP over standard models, which could be factored in as well.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
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  • fl219fl219 Member Posts: 211 Arc User
    edited November 2016
    I do expect fleet ships to have an edge hull and shield wise. The Fleet Support Cruiser T5U doesn't anything to boost weapons mastery wise. The T6 Dread does have some boost in weapons (ex, crtd) But it falls short of the Support Cruiser in damage (less dps) Even the Endeavour Class with 4 TAC Console slots looks like it is falling short of my Fleet Support Cruiser thats only has 3. The Support Cruiser T5U is out gunning 2 superior T6 Cruiser's? I am just talking about weapons fire, not exotic or specials. With all three ships maxed out on mastery and exactly the same space/captain trait's, I was supprised that it wasn't the other way around. I guess the USS Montana (support cruiser) is one tuff ship! :)
    All 3 ships have about 13-14 crit chance and 103 in crit damage. And all use Terran Withering Disruptors. (yes I know I am gimping my Yamato's Lance)
  • antonine3258antonine3258 Member Posts: 2,391 Arc User
    What buffs and skills are running in the area as well, and which traits? There's a lot of factors at play, potentially.
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  • tom61stotom61sto Member Posts: 3,711 Arc User
    For the weapon damage, it's that the Hydrodynamics Compensator is part of a two-set (along with Multi Conduit Energy Relay in your Tac consoles) that greatly increases Disruptor damage.

    As for the hull, likely an issue with the Wiki. Perhaps it's stating the Hull at level 50, not level 60. A Fleet Cruiser T5-U or T6 should have have more hull than a T6 C-Store Cruiser.
  • fl219fl219 Member Posts: 211 Arc User
    edited November 2016
    All the traits I use are exactly the same on all 3 ships. There is something I might have overlooked. On the Support Cruiser, I have the Terran 2 peice console set (warp core and impulse engine) aswell as the 2 piece weapons set., 8472 2 peice set, Naussican 3 piece set, and Elachi 2 piece set. The Fleet Support Cruiser allows me to use all but the Counter Command multi-energy conduit, in my SCI and ENG slots. The other 2 ships I have to put one of the universal consoles in a TAC slot to get near the DPS of the Support Cruiser. So possibly thats the reason?
  • fl219fl219 Member Posts: 211 Arc User
    edited November 2016
    tom61sto wrote: »
    For the weapon damage, it's that the Hydrodynamics Compensator is part of a two-set (along with Multi Conduit Energy Relay in your Tac consoles) that greatly increases Disruptor damage.

    As for the hull, likely an issue with the Wiki. Perhaps it's stating the Hull at level 50, not level 60. A Fleet Cruiser T5-U or T6 should have have more hull than a T6 C-Store Cruiser.

    You are probably right. I was looking at the Wiki for referance.

    Edit: I took a Disruptor Mag regulater out of one of the Tac slots on my Endeavour Class. It now has the Hydrodynamics Compensator, 2 Disruptor Mags, and the CC Multy. console. Still has lower disruptor and DPS damage then the Support Cruiser and both use the same Set pieces I listed.


  • baudlbaudl Member Posts: 4,060 Arc User
    doesn't T5U actually have more base HP than a regular T6? wasn't there something with 10% more HP for T5U?
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  • tom61stotom61sto Member Posts: 3,711 Arc User
    fl219 wrote: »
    tom61sto wrote: »
    For the weapon damage, it's that the Hydrodynamics Compensator is part of a two-set (along with Multi Conduit Energy Relay in your Tac consoles) that greatly increases Disruptor damage.

    As for the hull, likely an issue with the Wiki. Perhaps it's stating the Hull at level 50, not level 60. A Fleet Cruiser T5-U or T6 should have have more hull than a T6 C-Store Cruiser.

    You are probably right. I was looking at the Wiki for referance.

    Edit: I took a Disruptor Mag regulater out of one of the Tac slots on my Endeavour Class. It now has the Hydrodynamics Compensator, 2 Disruptor Mags, and the CC Multy. console. Still has lower disruptor and DPS damage then the Support Cruiser and both use the same Set pieces I listed.


    Double check to make sure you have all the same gear (your Dread and Support Cruiser in the pics have different Cores and Shields), and that you're hovering over a weapon with the same mods each time as [dmg] does show up in the tooltip damage numbers.

    Beyond that, sometimes the stats will get confused if you rapidly change ships. I was trying to track down something with the Romulan FT5-U and T6 D'D , and the stats started to flicker between numbers after a bunch of ship swaps.
    baudl wrote: »
    doesn't T5U actually have more base HP than a regular T6? wasn't there something with 10% more HP for T5U?

    Only when comparing Fleet T5-U to C-Store T6 of the same ship.

    This was a really imporant thing at the start of Delta Rising, as Fleet T6 ships came out later, so you had to weigh Fleet T5-U versus C-Store T6 instead of the more even FT5-U to FT6. Likely why it's stuck in your mind.

  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    Those two pics don't even have the same equipment.
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,573 Arc User
    Why are all the people talking about DPS, the problem, according to the OP, is the HULL values.
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,865 Arc User
    ltminns wrote: »
    Why are all the people talking about DPS, the problem, according to the OP, is the HULL values.

    You missed OPs later post, it's #4:
    Okay, I got 2 pic's. I even tried a 3rd ship, the Endeavour class. According to the game, a 4 tac console ship has less damage potential then a 3 tac ship. That is just wacky. LOL!

    Best guess is it's all working, OP is just not considering all the effects on hull & DPS including set bonuses, ship mastery and other players' buffs.
  • baudlbaudl Member Posts: 4,060 Arc User
    tom61sto wrote: »
    baudl wrote: »
    doesn't T5U actually have more base HP than a regular T6? wasn't there something with 10% more HP for T5U?

    Only when comparing Fleet T5-U to C-Store T6 of the same ship.

    This was a really imporant thing at the start of Delta Rising, as Fleet T6 ships came out later, so you had to weigh Fleet T5-U versus C-Store T6 instead of the more even FT5-U to FT6. Likely why it's stuck in your mind.

    Good, that is the explanation why his Fleet T5U has more HP than his T6.

    problem solved
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  • fl219fl219 Member Posts: 211 Arc User
    edited November 2016
    The Core in the dreadnought was the Iconian Core with [amp] I I switch it out with the Terran Core like the Support Cruiser had. Still didn't come close to the Support Cruiser. I even tried to put all consoles in the exact same order (best I could anyway) as the Support Cruiser. The Support Cruiser still had better damage values. I did a test with the Endeavour Class. Being it had 4 tac consoles, and the Support cruiser has 3, I took one disruptor mag out and replaced it with the Hydrodynamics Compensator. The Support Cruiser has 2 disruptor mags and one CC Multi. Console in tac slots. Endeavour has 1 HD Comp, 2 Disruptor Mags, and 1 CC Multi console. All other consoles where in there respective places. So essentially, every console I have on the Support Cruiser was on the Endeavour Class. The Support Cruiser still came out on top damage wise. Weapons, Shields, Impulse Engines and Warp Core where all I dentical between the two.
    I didn't use any weapons boosting Boff abilities. Just sat there near Spacedock
    The issue with the hull capacity was because of the source I was getting info from. The Wiki.

    Well I wanted to use the Support Cruiser as a "fire support" cruiser, it seems it is doing better then I expected!
  • fl219fl219 Member Posts: 211 Arc User
    edited November 2016
    Okay, this is the exact damage specs for the same Withering Disruptor on the Support Cruiser and the Endeavour. Both with the EXACT same equipment. The Support Cruiser shows 1,729.3 Disruptor Damage 1,383.4 DPS. The Endeavour shows 1,594 Disruptor Damage 1,2752 DPS. Both ships have the same number of Disruptor Mags and CC Multi console. With the Endeavour having the Hydrodynamics compensator in the last tac slot instead of in a ENG/SCI console on the Support Cruiser. Both ships have 11 console slots.
    On the Endeavour, I switched to attack power settings. It brought the damage numbers up further to just under what the Support Cruiser showed. Just under, being 10 or so damage difference.
  • tom61stotom61sto Member Posts: 3,711 Arc User
    10 damage difference I'd count as a rounding error and move on.
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,865 Arc User
    edited November 2016
    Yep, too slight to care about.
  • fl219fl219 Member Posts: 211 Arc User
    I wasn't in game at the time I posted this. I just did a ruff figure. After getting in game, the difference was wider.
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