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Dyson Science Destroyer request

I have no idea if this is mentioned before or not, and this is my first time in the forum so I'll make it brief.

With the system having all these ship equipment upgrade features, the Dyson Science Destroyer feels a little stuck. I'm referring to the immovable proton cannon on it: it cannot be upgraded, and as the system goes anything upgraded is removed which would break the ship's main feature, but it's just a purple weapon.

I would like the ship's built-in proton heavy cannons should simply start out as epic, with all the bonuses epic upgraded weapons come with. It would save a lot of hassle and be more. Or perhaps with its own unique epic upgrades.

If not an option, at least please make it upgrade able. I would like to be able to enjoy improved damage for that ship.
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  • dragnridrdragnridr Member Posts: 671 Arc User
    Many people have been asking for the Dyson Science Destroyer's Proton DHCs to be upgradeable since the upgrade system has been implemented. There still hasn't been a response. I love the Dyson ships very much design wise and functionality, but not being able to upgrade the proton DHCs has been the ship's one drawback. At the very least let us hit the upgrade on it one time to make it Epic mk XIV once we reach lvl 50, since the ship, if done right, can be flown at lvl 40.
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  • stee1maxstee1max Member Posts: 227 Arc User
    Based on metrics, I don't think that would happen in an eternity. The Dyson ships were a marketing failure. Judging by the time it took the devs to make it possible to upgrade the Kumari guns, I'd say no no no, not any time soon.
  • dragnridrdragnridr Member Posts: 671 Arc User
    edited November 2016
    stee1max wrote: »
    Based on metrics, I don't think that would happen in an eternity. The Dyson ships were a marketing failure. Judging by the time it took the devs to make it possible to upgrade the Kumari guns, I'd say no no no, not any time soon.

    It wasn't a marketing failure so to speak, more like the players just didn't know what to do with it. It has great potential as both a science ship AND as a tactical ship. Most of what people didn't like about it that caused it to fall to the wayside was it's looks. The looks was so despised that the devs offered a reskin of them. Personally, I love the White, blue, purple, and black combo. And to me, the design is unlike any of the other ships.

    Edit: I am betting if the Proton DHCs were to be upgradeable, then we would probably see more of the Dyson ships flying around.
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  • stee1maxstee1max Member Posts: 227 Arc User
    edited November 2016
    dragnridr wrote: »
    It wasn't a marketing failure so to speak, more like the players just didn't know what to do with it.

    Edit: I am betting if the Proton DHCs were to be upgradeable, then we would probably see more of the Dyson ships flying around.
    That is a marketing failure, otherwise people would have known what to do with it and emptied their wallets for it.

    The Proton weapons were another failure, which didn't make it to the DPS public. It's basically worse than any common flavor of energy weapons, let alone the DHC is as terrible as it gets. So many flips for one ship = FAIL.
  • dragnridrdragnridr Member Posts: 671 Arc User
    So would you say that Intel specialization is a marketing failure, since most players don't know how to use it either with the exception to surgical strikes? If that is the case, then there have been more failures than successes.
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  • stee1maxstee1max Member Posts: 227 Arc User
    I've never said anything about the Intel spec or this portion of the game as a whole. This one is quite popular with the Surgical strikes and OSS3. In contrary to the Dyson ship? Yeah, not applicable for a comparison.
    dragnridr wrote: »
    If that is the case, then there have been more failures than successes.
    Did you just realize that? It took me a couple of months back in 2013.

  • antonine3258antonine3258 Member Posts: 2,391 Arc User
    The proton basically requiring the Dyson consoles to get a boost (which weaken other weapons) also limited the builds - even protonic polaron would get more general effect out of using regular tactical consoles than the Dyson reputation specific to also boost the proton effect to boost the cannon. The ship's in an odd place, as taking advantage of its flavor feels somewhat suboptimal, especially after the upgrade system kicked in.
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    A Tier 6 Dyson Science Destroyer for the Romulans would be perfect. KDF and FED would be okay, too, but the Romulan one is one of the most beautiful ships in their fleet.

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  • irm1963irm1963 Member Posts: 682 Arc User
    And extremely nasty if you fly it as a 3/3 science ship instead of worrying about it's cannons and weapon DPS. Unless you go Voth hunting.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    irm1963 wrote: »
    And extremely nasty if you fly it as a 3/3 science ship instead of worrying about it's cannons and weapon DPS. Unless you go Voth hunting.
    Yeah,when I played it before the Tier 6 stuff entered the game, I eventually omitted the whole Destroyer mode thing. It's a gimmick you don't need if you know how to build science ships, and the Dyson Destroyer is one of the best Tier 5 Science Vessels. Of course, the Vesta is a tiny bit better because it's gimmick is a hangar bay and that never really hurts (even if it doesn't do much.)
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  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    edited November 2016
    The proton weapon is a useless gimmick and upgrading it would do nothing to change that.

    EDIT: If they ever do a T6 version of the ship, my suggestion for improving the proton weapon would be letting us remove it and use the 4th slot for something that's actually good.
  • lnbladelnblade Member Posts: 410 Arc User
    A Tier 6 Dyson Science Destroyer for the Romulans would be perfect. KDF and FED would be okay, too, but the Romulan one is one of the most beautiful ships in their fleet.
    The Romulan DSD is definitely the best looking of the Dyson ships, but the proton cannons on it always bothered me. The Fed and Klingon ships have them nice and concealed until you switch to tactical mode and things start moving around and popping out. Then you get to the Romulans and they just swivel forward. Never understood why the designer couldn't find a way to hide them.
  • antonine3258antonine3258 Member Posts: 2,391 Arc User
    lnblade wrote: »
    A Tier 6 Dyson Science Destroyer for the Romulans would be perfect. KDF and FED would be okay, too, but the Romulan one is one of the most beautiful ships in their fleet.
    The Romulan DSD is definitely the best looking of the Dyson ships, but the proton cannons on it always bothered me. The Fed and Klingon ships have them nice and concealed until you switch to tactical mode and things start moving around and popping out. Then you get to the Romulans and they just swivel forward. Never understood why the designer couldn't find a way to hide them.

    I am a big fan of the DSD's looks, but I feel we lost out on the gimmick's visibility. There's not even a secondary deflector being covered!
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  • zerokillcf2011zerokillcf2011 Member Posts: 545 Arc User
    Or let us just remove the Proton Cannons.....a fourth weapon slot of our choice? But it kinda goes along with the Phaser Spinal Lance can't be anything other than Phaser though......it is what it is folks, and it ain't gonna be getting changed any time soon.
  • dragnridrdragnridr Member Posts: 671 Arc User
    Or let us just remove the Proton Cannons.....a fourth weapon slot of our choice? But it kinda goes along with the Phaser Spinal Lance can't be anything other than Phaser though......it is what it is folks, and it ain't gonna be getting changed any time soon.

    I agree about the Proton DHC being what it is. I don't have the Kumari, but I doubt you can put any other weapons in the Wing cannon slots. If not, then isn't there more complaining about them? If so, then WHY? The wing cannons were made specifically for that reason. I hate double standards.
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  • lucho80lucho80 Member Posts: 6,600 Bug Hunter
    dragnridr wrote: »
    stee1max wrote: »
    Based on metrics, I don't think that would happen in an eternity. The Dyson ships were a marketing failure. Judging by the time it took the devs to make it possible to upgrade the Kumari guns, I'd say no no no, not any time soon.

    It wasn't a marketing failure so to speak, more like the players just didn't know what to do with it. It has great potential as both a science ship AND as a tactical ship. Most of what people didn't like about it that caused it to fall to the wayside was it's looks. The looks was so despised that the devs offered a reskin of them. Personally, I love the White, blue, purple, and black combo. And to me, the design is unlike any of the other ships.

    Edit: I am betting if the Proton DHCs were to be upgradeable, then we would probably see more of the Dyson ships flying around.

    The proton damage gimmick sucked. The only awesome thing I still use off that ship is the special 2nd deflector from the event unlock which makes my tachyon beam pack a mean punch.
  • tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    it sucks as a ship... the toggle from command tac to command sci is a waste. should make it so it has both command tac and command sci up at all times... given the sensor analysis & beam targets some would say OP but then you force 1 of the 3 remaining fore weapon slots to be torp only, 2nd of the 3 fore weapon slots to be any beam type & 1 aft slot to be any torp/mine. you make it so they cant be all cannons or all beams... required weapon slots on this ship should be ok since you now have 2 command bridge seats.
  • dimitroff#6602 dimitroff Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited November 2016
    The tac mode and the proton DHC doesn't necessarily suck, imho. Even non-upgraded, with cheap exchange cannons and consoles, my DSD ranks in top 3 by DPS 50% of the cases I run CCA the last 2 weeks. And I always go into tac mode, the moment I park the DSD in range of the CC. And I haven't even started outfitting it with the Dyson rep stuff yet. Or any other rep stuff, for that matter.
    Ok, I agree that the built-in cannon could probably be made to be upgraded, but I think its function is more of a complementary one, not an option to just turn your science ship into a full tactical ship whenever you feel like it. It would make the DSD way too powerful this way.
    I prefer to think the tac mode is made to be enabled at the right time during the battle, in order to give you the chance to burst your enemies and finish them off quickly.
    The DSD is a sick ship, indeed. The option for the tac station to turn into a commander one gives you an amazing spike in DPS and buffing. You don't need your built-in cannon to be upgraded.
    Also, you can run this ship with many varieties of weapons. It can be a beam boat, it can be a cannon boat, it can do massive exotic damage... And it's upgradable for free.
    What else could you want from a T5U event (free) ship?
  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    dragnridr wrote: »
    Or let us just remove the Proton Cannons.....a fourth weapon slot of our choice? But it kinda goes along with the Phaser Spinal Lance can't be anything other than Phaser though......it is what it is folks, and it ain't gonna be getting changed any time soon.

    I agree about the Proton DHC being what it is. I don't have the Kumari, but I doubt you can put any other weapons in the Wing cannon slots. If not, then isn't there more complaining about them? If so, then WHY? The wing cannons were made specifically for that reason. I hate double standards.
    There are no "wing cannon slots." The Kumari is a perfectly normal 5/2 layout you can put whatever you want in them.

    The DSDs are the only ships in the game that have unremoveable equipment.
  • saber1973asaber1973a Member Posts: 1,225 Arc User
    edited November 2016
    warpangel wrote: »
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    The DSDs are the only ships in the game that have unremoveable equipment.

    Actually, thats not completly true...
    There is that Tempest Patrol Escort Refit (T5) with its fused Aft-Firing Tail Gun

  • gaevsmangaevsman Member Posts: 3,190 Arc User
    saber1973a wrote: »
    warpangel wrote: »
    ...
    The DSDs are the only ships in the game that have unremoveable equipment.

    Actually, thats not completly true...
    There is that Tempest Patrol Escort Refit (T5) with its fused Aft-Firing Tail Gun

    Yup, i have them both, or at least make it gold, like the tempest... and while you are at that, make the Herald Transphasic Torpedoes upgradeable!!
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  • ssbn655ssbn655 Member Posts: 1,894 Arc User
    edited November 2016
    IMHO they dropped the ball big time with it. The non upgradable cannons and the real TRIBBLE move putting a better version up for sale then the one players took the time to earn during the launch event. Yeah nothing says FU like doing that to dedicated players and fans. Oh wait they did the same thing with the TOS T-6 Constitution. Yeah Cryptic has a great track record shooting itself in the foot with fans and player base.
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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    dragnridr wrote: »
    Many people have been asking for the Dyson Science Destroyer's Proton DHCs to be upgradeable since the upgrade system has been implemented. There still hasn't been a response. I love the Dyson ships very much design wise and functionality, but not being able to upgrade the proton DHCs has been the ship's one drawback. At the very least let us hit the upgrade on it one time to make it Epic mk XIV once we reach lvl 50, since the ship, if done right, can be flown at lvl 40.


    +1 Please make that DHC upgradeable. It's soldered-in, though, as it were, so I don't see how we could upgrade it.
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  • jorantomalakjorantomalak Member Posts: 7,133 Arc User
    they could simply mae the slot of the DHC a speacial weapons slot so the only thing that could be equipped is the proton dhc, thus we could remove it and upgrade then place it back.
  • officerbatman81officerbatman81 Member Posts: 2,761 Arc User
    If we are dusting off old ships and tweaking with them then go ahead and let the fused tail gun on the tempest be upgradable.
    This is up there with this request. Still prolly wouldnt use it though.
  • majorcharvenakmajorcharvenak Member Posts: 231 Arc User
    A Tier 6 Dyson Science Destroyer for the Romulans would be perfect. KDF and FED would be okay, too, but the Romulan one is one of the most beautiful ships in their fleet.

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  • majorcharvenakmajorcharvenak Member Posts: 231 Arc User
    To me, what would have made it a winner is if they made it weapon type locked (DHC only) and let you slot whatever your flavor of the day is (AP, Plasma, Phaser,Disruptor, whatever) than locking it with proton without an accompanying console in the Spire to boost it. As a straight science ship (non-tac mode) I love it, as it is capable of plenty of space magic. Overall though, I do agree that they limited its appeal by locking in the Proton DHC, and then not making it upgradable.
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  • captaind3captaind3 Member Posts: 2,449 Arc User
    I gotta say, my Romulan loves her DSD Warbird. It's a wonderful science ship. And the Warbird is by far the prettiest.

    To me, what would have made it a winner is if they made it weapon type locked (DHC only) and let you slot whatever your flavor of the day is (AP, Plasma, Phaser,Disruptor, whatever) than locking it with proton without an accompanying console in the Spire to boost it. As a straight science ship (non-tac mode) I love it, as it is capable of plenty of space magic. Overall though, I do agree that they limited its appeal by locking in the Proton DHC, and then not making it upgradable.

    That's exactly my suggestion with the Phaser Spinal Lance on the Galaxy-X.

    Whatever the dominant weapon equipped on your ship is the type of lance you get.

    And the Dual Heavy on the Dyson should be whatever your weapons are.
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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    they could simply mae the slot of the DHC a speacial weapons slot so the only thing that could be equipped is the proton dhc, thus we could remove it and upgrade then place it back.

    + Make it so! :)
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  • dragnridrdragnridr Member Posts: 671 Arc User
    edited November 2016
    From all the positive feedback about this ship, that just proves it is NOT a marketing failure. Just something not everyone is accustomed to. I admit I was wrong about the Kumari Wing Cannons, But I did say I don't have that ship. But the Tempest is a PERFECT comparison. It has it's tailgun that is fused, so is it a marketing failure?

    But as for the looks of the DSDs, I ADORE the white, blue, black and purple colors, as well as the looks of the Romulan variant. It's not as bulky and full of empty space as the D'Deridex, but keeps the traditional Romulan warbird look. As for the KDF variant, it has a unique look but keeps the KDF appeal, and the FED version is just plain unique overall. That one of the many reason why I love them.

    Edit: As for the proton DHC, it was meant to supplement the other weapons with Proton damage, and not be a pure DPS weapon. If you built the ship with Protonic Polorans, then the tac consoles that should be used should be the Dyson rep tac consoles, since they also boost Proton damage. I run my DSDs with almost entirely of Dyson rep weapons and consoles and I can hold my own in just about every battle. It not the ship, consoles, or weapons that is the problem, it's the captain not properly making use of the syncing of everything.
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