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This new (old) ship... Why?

This new (old) ship they are launching is a nonsense.
I play with a Vesta T5, it's 10 to 0 on any Federation T6 spacecraft.
When they lace these federation T6 ships, the creators do not think correctly with brains ... or in the shape of the ship (one of the things they could use is a conceptual art research base on google images, where fantastic ideas exist and no one Perfect world has never used).
They really want to make new releases, so at least make new models based on the new Star Trek universe.
New transwarp nacelles, at least please!

Look:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuXt2AAn1Kw&feature=share
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    I don't know what you're trying to say, but thanks for reminding me this video exists.
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  • byozuma#0956 byozuma Member Posts: 502 Arc User
    The problem with that is copyright. Artwork, even if it's a fan work based off an existing property, belongs to the artist UNLESS it's a work of plagiarism. But, 9 times out of 10, it's not plagiarized and falls under the former. Googling cool starship designs means you're going to be getting alot of work that is the copyright of the artist that made it and that means securing the rights to use said work. That also means royalties of any money made using said works and, if the design is ever used in any media that makes any money that design is, by default, making money. Companies hate paying royalties. It's practically a given that right now someone somewhere is being sued for not paying royalties or infringing on a copyright. So to dodge this companies try to come up with their own designs no matter how bad they may be (looking at you Kelvin).
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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,983 Arc User
    edited November 2016
    Every T6 C-store release includes a new model based on the Star Trek universe. We even saw what's coming for the Sovereign class when the devs mistakenly attached the blog for the Intel T6 Vizier class.

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    The Attack Wings blog is showing off the exclusive hull material included with promotional Command variant. Presumably they'll also get access to the new Vizier ship model too.
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  • tymerstotymersto Member Posts: 433 Arc User
    I don't know what you're trying to say, but thanks for reminding me this video exists.

    I believe the OP wants to see STO's art design to completely transition into the style of the Kelvin Timeline.
    My Answer: No! Hell No! Leave the KT junk there. One mission and lockbox garbage is overdoing it.


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  • byozuma#0956 byozuma Member Posts: 502 Arc User
    If that truly is the case, then I have to wholeheartedly agree with that no. The Kelvin timeline is NOT the Classic timeline, even if they did have that Enterprise series easter egg in Beyond (watch the U.S.S. Franklin home video closely).
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    Notice how the grown ups arn't bitching about the revolting Galaxies and Excelsiors in game but the whining fanbois can't remember they aren't compelled to buy any KT ships they don't want to.​​
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  • nikeixnikeix Member Posts: 3,972 Arc User
    I enjoy the KT stylings (for the most part), but STO ain't that world. We only get it on special occasions when somebody goes spelunking through alternate timelines. That's not likely to ever be a thing for zeni-store ships.

    Still, a Kelvin II box will be fun some day :).
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    nikeix wrote: »
    I enjoy the KT stylings (for the most part), but STO ain't that world. We only get it on special occasions when somebody goes spelunking through alternate timelines. That's not likely to ever be a thing for zeni-store ships.

    Still, a Kelvin II box will be fun some day :).

    Yup. And they got some material to work with still. Feds could get the Kelvin herself, KDF could get the Kelvin D7, and Romulans could get a Kelvin BoP. Lobi store ship could be the Ent-A (Maybe as a Temporal ship, and unlock customization parts for the previous Kelvin Connie) if they can touch Beyond, and they could add a Kelvin Shuttle as well.

    Would be interesting to see the 09 Kelvin Connie with the Beyond Ent-A Nacelles.
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  • byozuma#0956 byozuma Member Posts: 502 Arc User
    edited November 2016
    artan42 wrote: »
    ...revolting Galaxies and Excelsiors...​​
    The Excelsior is a classic you son'a! And the Galaxy was the Enterprise for years till it was destroyed in the movies (in a manner paid homage to in Beyond, I might add)! Anyway, it's not that I hate the Abrams movies. I actually quite enjoyed them, but it's canon in both movie lines that the two universes are not the same. Khan happened alot sooner (the Classic universe Kirk discovered Khan in the TV series before they faced off in the movies whereas Admiral Jerkoff found him in the Kelvin universe). I have nothing against another Kelvin lockbox but leave the Kelvin designs to the Kelvin lockbox.
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  • bernatkbernatk Member Posts: 1,089 Bug Hunter
    Now that short film was good. The writing was bad but the visuals were excellent. Which reminds me that Discovery can't come soon enough.

    Anyways, this new Sovie is for mocking KDF and rom players... (which is heh I just thinking not true, we got a t6 scimi and bort...)

    Alrighty men move along nothing to see here!
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  • ichaerus1ichaerus1 Member Posts: 986 Arc User
    bernatk wrote: »
    Now that short film was good. The writing was bad but the visuals were excellent. Which reminds me that Discovery can't come soon enough.

    Anyways, this new Sovie is for mocking KDF and rom players... (which is heh I just thinking not true, we got a t6 scimi and bort...)

    Alrighty men move along nothing to see here!

    Oh, it is definite mocking. Still no T6 Vor'cha. Still no T6 Vo'quv, T6 Kar'fi, or T6 Gorn/Orion ships. No Ferasan ship.

    Although the Scimitar is good, the Bortasqu' ships are pretty much pieces of ****. Only good things on the Bloatasqu', are the fun factor of launching the BoP, or visiting the bridge.
  • annemarie30annemarie30 Member Posts: 2,745 Arc User
    This new (old) ship they are launching is a nonsense.
    I play with a Vesta T5, it's 10 to 0 on any Federation T6 spacecraft.
    When they lace these federation T6 ships, the creators do not think correctly with brains ... or in the shape of the ship (one of the things they could use is a conceptual art research base on google images, where fantastic ideas exist and no one Perfect world has never used).
    They really want to make new releases, so at least make new models based on the new Star Trek universe.
    New transwarp nacelles, at least please!

    umm you do realize that not everyone likes the abortions that come from JJverse, right? in fact, I'm pretty sure there have been polls on here that indicate JJdrek fans are a pretty small minority. of course you think the Vesta is the end all in the game, which shows you are not open minded at all. the old/ugly Temporal light cruiser will ruin a vesta's day all day long, as will a Command cruiser. (assuming of course comparable captain skills. a min maxer can take a t1 connie and wipe the floor with you at will.
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  • ssbn655ssbn655 Member Posts: 1,894 Arc User
    This new (old) ship they are launching is a nonsense.
    I play with a Vesta T5, it's 10 to 0 on any Federation T6 spacecraft.
    When they lace these federation T6 ships, the creators do not think correctly with brains ... or in the shape of the ship (one of the things they could use is a conceptual art research base on google images, where fantastic ideas exist and no one Perfect world has never used).
    They really want to make new releases, so at least make new models based on the new Star Trek universe.
    New transwarp nacelles, at least please!

    Look:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuXt2AAn1Kw&feature=share

    I nearly vomitted all over my keyboard when the ship came on screen. Yeah those stupid clown shoe JJ Nacelles glued onto a Miranda is just god awful.
  • ssbn655ssbn655 Member Posts: 1,894 Arc User
    ichaerus1 wrote: »
    bernatk wrote: »
    Now that short film was good. The writing was bad but the visuals were excellent. Which reminds me that Discovery can't come soon enough.

    Anyways, this new Sovie is for mocking KDF and rom players... (which is heh I just thinking not true, we got a t6 scimi and bort...)

    Alrighty men move along nothing to see here!

    Oh, it is definite mocking. Still no T6 Vor'cha. Still no T6 Vo'quv, T6 Kar'fi, or T6 Gorn/Orion ships. No Ferasan ship.

    Although the Scimitar is good, the Bortasqu' ships are pretty much pieces of ****. Only good things on the Bloatasqu', are the fun factor of launching the BoP, or visiting the bridge.

    Oh I don't know its fun when you have the right mix on it so it can turn. It is still even without hell far more agile then an Oddie. I have a lot of fun with my Bortasqu' suprising folks how it can actually manuver. Just loose the useless garbage bop/cannon rapid fire console and replace them with usefull items.
  • cidjackcidjack Member Posts: 2,017 Arc User
    The problem with that is copyright. Artwork, even if it's a fan work based off an existing property, belongs to the artist UNLESS it's a work of plagiarism. But, 9 times out of 10, it's not plagiarized and falls under the former. Googling cool starship designs means you're going to be getting alot of work that is the copyright of the artist that made it and that means securing the rights to use said work. That also means royalties of any money made using said works and, if the design is ever used in any media that makes any money that design is, by default, making money. Companies hate paying royalties. It's practically a given that right now someone somewhere is being sued for not paying royalties or infringing on a copyright. So to dodge this companies try to come up with their own designs no matter how bad they may be (looking at you Kelvin).

    I seriously wish they would place this in BOLD on the loading screen so those knuckle draggers who come on here every day and suggest ships they found on google can get the hint.
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  • nikeixnikeix Member Posts: 3,972 Arc User
    ssbn655 wrote: »
    I nearly vomitted all over my keyboard when the ship came on screen. Yeah those stupid clown shoe JJ Nacelles glued onto a Miranda is just god awful.

    It's really impressive how consistently you display tolerance and creativity. A real credit to the fandom.

  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    artan42 wrote: »
    Notice how the grown ups arn't bitching about the revolting Galaxies and Excelsiors in game but the whining fanbois can't remember they aren't compelled to buy any KT ships they don't want to.

    They would be forced if the OP had his way of seeing all T6 ships done exclusively in KT design language. We wouldn't have a choice then, and THAT is what people in this thread are objecting to. As long as we continue to get access to the classic and updated prime timeline designs, I don't think many people are all that worried about the KT designs being available to those who want them. Just don't force us to use them if we don't like them, that's all we ask.

    'They really want to make new releases, so at least make new models based on the new Star Trek universe.'

    Nowhere there is the word exclusively used. It sounds like the OP is simply asking for more ships from a under-represented era of Star Trek in the same way people keep nagging about those hideous TNG era New Orleans or Springfield ships etc.​​
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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  • byozuma#0956 byozuma Member Posts: 502 Arc User
    Honestly, I want more Vulcan designs. Vulcans and Caitians/Ferasans are the most underrepresented races in the game and while more Caitian/Ferasan ships would be nice... I'm Vulcan and I want more ships that aren't saucer-and-nacelles (which is why I'm so looking forward to the Lukari ship).
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    nikeix wrote: »
    ssbn655 wrote: »
    I nearly vomitted all over my keyboard when the ship came on screen. Yeah those stupid clown shoe JJ Nacelles glued onto a Miranda is just god awful.

    It's really impressive how consistently you display tolerance and creativity. A real credit to the fandom.
    I thought STO players were over the KT hatered after having seen countless of Konstitutions. But it seems they can always find a way to reinvigorate their hatred.

    Can't we just love all of these ships?


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  • redeyedravenredeyedraven Member Posts: 1,297 Arc User
    I thought STO players were over the KT hatered after having seen countless of Konstitutions. But it seems they can always find a way to reinvigorate their hatred.

    Can't we just love all of these ships?

    It's a conspiracy. You see, the KT-haters are in truth hardcore Star-Wars-fans that like designs with less curves better. We're being set up to be taken over.

    I sense a plot to destroy the love for ships. The emperor however would be very proud.
  • byozuma#0956 byozuma Member Posts: 502 Arc User
    edited November 2016
    It's not so much "Star Wars fans vs. Star Trek fans" nor even "stop like what I hate" as it is... You have a bunch of Mustang fans all congregating around a number of Mustangs ranging in age from classic to modern. Clearly they are going to be gawking at those classic cars with more than a bit of wallet envy, then along comes someone going, "Yeah, those classic 'stangs are cool and all, but nothing beats that modern styling." There's only one way that's going to end...
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  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    Honestly, I want more Vulcan designs. Vulcans and Caitians/Ferasans are the most underrepresented races in the game and while more Caitian/Ferasan ships would be nice... I'm Vulcan and I want more ships that aren't saucer-and-nacelles (which is why I'm so looking forward to the Lukari ship).
    I thought you were an Elf, who everyone kept mistaking for a Vulcan...

    But it's cool, one of my (writing) characters is a Cardassian, adopted as a baby (following the bombardment of Lakarian City) by Humans, and raised in North Wales... Her first language is Welsh, she thinks of herself as Human, not Cardassian, and always felt that she was in the wrong body... When a mission required her to be surgically altered to appear Human, she never had the procedure reversed B) IDIC, mofos... B)
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,016 Arc User
    reyan01 wrote: »
    So basically this has turned into yet another "stop liking stuff that I don't like" thread. Aren't there enough of these already?

    This is exactly what this is​​
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  • byozuma#0956 byozuma Member Posts: 502 Arc User
    Honestly, I want more Vulcan designs. Vulcans and Caitians/Ferasans are the most underrepresented races in the game and while more Caitian/Ferasan ships would be nice... I'm Vulcan and I want more ships that aren't saucer-and-nacelles (which is why I'm so looking forward to the Lukari ship).
    I thought you were an Elf, who everyone kept mistaking for a Vulcan...
    I'm old, and it wasn't important to the discussion. Sue me. ;p

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  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    Honestly, I want more Vulcan designs. Vulcans and Caitians/Ferasans are the most underrepresented races in the game and while more Caitian/Ferasan ships would be nice... I'm Vulcan and I want more ships that aren't saucer-and-nacelles (which is why I'm so looking forward to the Lukari ship).
    I thought you were an Elf, who everyone kept mistaking for a Vulcan...
    I'm old, and it wasn't important to the discussion. Sue me. ;p
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  • salvation4salvation4 Member Posts: 1,167 Arc User
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    tymersto wrote: »
    I don't know what you're trying to say, but thanks for reminding me this video exists.

    I believe the OP wants to see STO's art design to completely transition into the style of the Kelvin Timeline.
    My Answer: No! Hell No! Leave the KT junk there. One mission and lockbox garbage is overdoing it.


    Thank you for the time...

    If that is what he is saying...yeah no...followed by HELL NO.

    KT can stay at JJ's place..Yeah and NO..HELL NO!!!!
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