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nekofury86
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Don't judge me, but after 577 keys and no ship, I didn't do it for the ship, but.... 577 keys, no ship!.... My annual thousands of $$$$ just ended for you, I can no longer, in good conscience, support you.
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Probably..... probably double that!
With 577 keys you could have bought at least 8 decent lockbox ships off the exchange.
Heck, I no longer bother upgrading equipment, I simply buy epic quality off the exchange. Cheaper and far less stressful.
Daizen - Lvl 60 Tactical - Eclipse
Selia - Lvl 60 Tactical - Eclipse
If you really are as smart about this game as you pretend to be, you'd know better than to waste RL Currency on 577 Keys.
Speaking of your mom - How are your siblings/my kids?
People shouldn't be buying KEYS set on only one reward, a ship. If you're only looking for a specific ship then you clearly are using the wrong strategy. I've seen many use a different strategy which is selling the items they either won or even selling CSTORE items such as the key's themselves to then acquire the special requisition package of the exchange.
Still I think the prices some ask for ships at times really needs to see a few people's head's examined. I wish cryptic would put a 2-5% duty on item's that is charged at listing time that only get's returned if the item sells. Granted some might think it unfairly penalizes them especially on new items, however it might make a few less scrupulous individuals ask if the price aligns with the ferengi rules of acquisition.
But if you also look at the cost of keys and consider most lockbox ships offer slightly better trait's, the odds are closer to 1:50 - 1:250 depending on the types (green T5u - ultra T6) available.
Funny thing is, if everyone followed this advice, it would no longer be true.
And that's what the OP is describing here: items would become so ridiculously rare (even more than they already are) that everyone would suffer.
That being said, I've seldom had to use more than 100 keys to get a ship so 577 is probably just a very exceptional case.
You could of sold those 577 keys for a bout 4 million a pop. So that would of netted you over 2,308,000,000cr. OVER 2 BILLION.
You could of had 3 ships for that. Instead of gambling, next time sell them off.
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you want the lobi, you want the material's and you want the ship ... most importantly you want to follow the 62. rule, The riskier the road, the greater the profit.
you sir are a true Ferengi. Just keep navigating your ship with skill and grace through the mighty river's of the great material continuum and you will reach The Divine Treasury. Where you can bid for your new live ...
Never consider going to The Vault of Eternal Destitution because as long as you follow the rules in your heart you can still show profit ...
Just a note to all of the people advising the OP that he could have gotten the ship by selling the keys, read the above quote from the original post.
They did not do it for the ship.
They did it for some other reason. They are simply frustrated that in the course of those 577 keys they didn't ALSO get a ship. And that's a valid frustration and they are taking a valid course of action completely reasonable considering their experience and point of view.
Belaboring a point that if they wanted a ship they could have just sold the keys, is misplaced in this particular thread. In fact there is little room for any actual discussion within the framework of the OP. They knew going in that the odds were terrible. They were going for something besides the ship. They then noticed how utterly terrible the odds are in practice and have decided not to use keys anymore. End of story really.
Yup. I did the same to get all the Kelvin-LB-ships. And my romulan toon had the same issue as OP, however I didn't count the keys I used up.^^
@nekofury86, on the bright side, you now should have LOTS of Lobi... which can also give you decent starships (or some very nice gear).
Now off to buy my ships the sensible way off the exchange.
Good to see some people are still able to read before posting a standardised reply. I think you summarised the OP's main message well.
Adding to that:
The OP's message is a message that's important to the playerbase in general. The odds for getting a ship are very, very low and the 'advice' of telling people not to open boxes isn't exactly helping either. That may be a serious problem that's affecting most of us, not just this particular case. Which means that whether the odds of getting a ship (in general) should or should not be higher is something that's worth it to discuss.
Without the same standardised advice that's ultimately self-destroying and which only focuses on one particular case, I might add.
And I mentioned that the OP could of easily beaten the odds by using tools at hand instead of just banging his/her head against the wall and wailing that he/she spent a big chunk of change to get ships he/she did not get.
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You're also very correct the the average lockbox awards 5-15 lobi per lockbox (average being 10) so she would (on average) acquired over 5777 lobi to buy various Lobi Consoles, Items, Weapons, Outfit's not to mention some very nice T6 Lobi Ships which if memory serves are 900 Lobi each. So minimum if you open 90 boxes you're almost gauranteed a new T6 ship with Lobi alone not to mention a lot of other great prizes.
One user identified they thought they opened maybe 100 boxes to earn a ship, another claims to have earned 5 opening some 300. The odds can be vary from 1:50 to 1:250 depending on the ship, those Ultra & EPIC ships would be on the higher end, not to mention ship upgrade tokens, fleet ship modules, in addition to many, many, other great rewards aside from Lobi.
You may also sell T6 Lobi ships on the exchange to raise EC if there is a specific Lockbox ship you highly desired from the exchange.
Also, the stuff you looted out of the boxes, if sold will probably make up for half of the worth of the keys, and if you buy a lobi ship with the lobis, you'll recover the rest, if you can work the exchange.
Key (no pun intended) to making a sensible choice is watching the situation. You can make a profit (and many do) opening lockboxes, if you're willing to go the extra mile and see how to most profit from the things you're getting.
However, the OP's complaints are completely invalid, and his later namecalling reaction is childish as hell. If you're making an investment you may regret later for all the money, you should get information about this investment before. The odds of getting a ship from a lock box are pretty well known to be around 1 in 400 (exception: Vonph), and there are many places (the wiki, this forum, reddit) you can find it, maybe e. g. with a google search. The result you have been getting is absolutely within the range that would be expected to happen. If he regrets this later because he wisened up, that is what we call a "learning experience" and a good thing. But the only one you should scream at then is yourself.
I see them in the game. Therefore, they give them out.
However, the fact that you didn't get a ship in 577 tries means that, in a way, the RNG is doing it's "job". You should pledge to buy more, not less...
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