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Reading all these doom and gloom reports from both PS4 and Xbox is as close to laughable as it gets.
See, the mentality of people on console is that unless a game has an absolutely massive pvp population, its dead. To a lot of console players, a game that is 90% PvE (which STO is) is dead on release.
I have news for these people - no sane games company invests in a console release of a game without first considering its potential population. As it is, STO on console attracts, at a minimum 1,500 players every single night on each platform. At weekends, that rises to 2,500. Sure there are rises and falls as competing games are released, but people return, especially with content releases.
Look at Neverwinter on XBox, Cryptics other major MMO release to the platform. It still has thousands of players a good year or so later, and is still getting new players all the time, most of whom end up spending money on it.
STO is, at best, a niche game for a niche audience. Sure it attracts the odd "outsider", who barely knows what Star Trek is, let alone having ever watched anything on TV of it. And most of the time, the outsiders get bored or at least massively confused by the goings on inside the game. They will most likely leave once something more interesting for them comes along. It happens all the time.
All MMO's end up developing a core audience, die-hard players, but the process to build that hard-core is often long and tedious.
STO is going to struggle more due to the simple fact that the majority of console players are PvP'ers, and STO doesn't cater very effectively to that demographic.
But it will, over time, develop a hard-core of players.
When Cryptic signed the deals with MS and Sony, they went in it for the long-haul.
Another example of this kind of thing can be seen with the game "Defiance", released by Trion many years ago on XBox360 as an MMO. Even right now, the servers are STILL alive, and the game is completely playable, even if it hasn't had a significant update in a very long time. Sure, it has only a couple of hundred players, but its still there.
I would reckon that the console releases are going to be many times more profitable than the PC release ever was, and what will end up happening is that the console income will end up funding the PC development.
Console WILL catch up to PC, but I would normally allow them at least 6 months to achieve this. Sure they rushed it a little, and it was far from bug-free, but its not as if the PC release is either.
See, the mentality of people on console is that unless a game has an absolutely massive pvp population, its dead. To a lot of console players, a game that is 90% PvE (which STO is) is dead on release.
I have news for these people - no sane games company invests in a console release of a game without first considering its potential population. As it is, STO on console attracts, at a minimum 1,500 players every single night on each platform. At weekends, that rises to 2,500. Sure there are rises and falls as competing games are released, but people return, especially with content releases.
Look at Neverwinter on XBox, Cryptics other major MMO release to the platform. It still has thousands of players a good year or so later, and is still getting new players all the time, most of whom end up spending money on it.
STO is, at best, a niche game for a niche audience. Sure it attracts the odd "outsider", who barely knows what Star Trek is, let alone having ever watched anything on TV of it. And most of the time, the outsiders get bored or at least massively confused by the goings on inside the game. They will most likely leave once something more interesting for them comes along. It happens all the time.
All MMO's end up developing a core audience, die-hard players, but the process to build that hard-core is often long and tedious.
STO is going to struggle more due to the simple fact that the majority of console players are PvP'ers, and STO doesn't cater very effectively to that demographic.
But it will, over time, develop a hard-core of players.
When Cryptic signed the deals with MS and Sony, they went in it for the long-haul.
Another example of this kind of thing can be seen with the game "Defiance", released by Trion many years ago on XBox360 as an MMO. Even right now, the servers are STILL alive, and the game is completely playable, even if it hasn't had a significant update in a very long time. Sure, it has only a couple of hundred players, but its still there.
I would reckon that the console releases are going to be many times more profitable than the PC release ever was, and what will end up happening is that the console income will end up funding the PC development.
Console WILL catch up to PC, but I would normally allow them at least 6 months to achieve this. Sure they rushed it a little, and it was far from bug-free, but its not as if the PC release is either.
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because that's why a fair few people are leaving
Disagree that the majority of console players are PVP. In fact PVP parasites ruin many a great game (mostly by crying nerf in forums).
I was a beta player for WoT on console and WG made huge strides in making that game what it is today (which is BETTER than the PC version) on console by listening to their player base. WoT console has un-nerfed PC tanks, more premium tanks, better giveaways and events. WoT PC players rage on their forums about all the goodies WoT console gets and the console version has flourished, because it has it's own dedicated team and it listens to console issues from console players.
So far, I'm not impressed with Cryptic. Let's start with the basic camera controls, they are brutal. Too far, too close, camera resets, glitchy lock on controls. Why can't I click the analog stick to zoom in and out? And there's only really two camera angles worth using, the third zoomed out one is absolutely pointless, especially on the shuttle based missions, haha. I can't even see my shuttle on the furthest camera (for that matter, I can't see anything smaller than a Galaxy class starship when zoomed all the way out) and the default one that zooms all the way is still to far out to see any detail and isn't even choosable. You're screwed if you change the zoom on a shuttle mission because you can't get zoomed all the way back in. They need to just revisit the whole camera angle because it's a total fail.
But back to my initial point, which is that WG has a forum for console players so they can list CONSOLE issues. PC players even commenting on console threads is a waste. Console doesn't give AF what PC has or does. We're a totally separate animal, with an entirely different set of issues. And the only thing I see PC players contributing to console threads is "Well it sucked so bad forever on PC and took 5 years to fix it so be happy with your half done port console peasant."
Sorry that I can press one button and launch right into gameplay on my console and don't have to stop playing for 30 minutes while windows updates or go take a pee break while my machine buffers, and that I don't have to restore my console every thirty days to clean the viruses from all the TRIBBLE sites I visit.
Give Console players our own forum so we can address and discuss our own issues without the fog of PC.
Most PC players don't have to do that but it does give us a good idea about your own personal internet habits .... a word of advice DON'T sling mud in here if you don't want it returned.
Doffs
Crafting
Admiralty
The ability to visit the lower decks of your ship
Poor Camera angles
Fleet Holdings
Now I know to a brand new console player these are really non issues but it really annoys me that I cant build my ship the way I want it. The only way I was able to get all the same type of one weapon was to constantly grind out the Past Imperfect mission every ten levels.
But why put in all that effort when it's a lost cause?
Entropy wins again. THANKS Dev Team!
This game will get all the PC content eventually, I would guess before March next year (6 months down the line), and only when its on par with PC can people really start judging how its doing.
I did try the XB1 version a few times in the first couple of weeks; if/when full camera control comes to the console version, I might even arm-wrestle the controller away from Jason every once in a while and play there. It does flow more smoothly than my PC game sometimes, probably at least in part because the XB1 is hardwired into the cable modem while the computer uses the secure wifi network.
...how exactly does playing a WAR game HELP with PTSD?
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