Are you saying we'll be able to donate EC to fleet projects in lieu of what we'd previously have had to get from a replicator?
If so, great move in my view. As the majority of players don't have a cell ship, I'd say this comes under the heading of an ease for the many outweighing the 'loss' for the few.
the topic says lets talk downgrade of the cell ship
The cell ship hasn't been downgraded, they've simply made a system improvement which will benefit the majority of players. The cell ship can still do everything it has always been able to do, it's just that one of the things it can do now has less of an advantage than it has hitherto had.
@steaen did u ever hear of the edit function? 2x double post
Yes, I am fully aware of the edit function - as, however, in both of the above cases my two posts were on slightly different topics, I chose not to use it.
As they haven't actually changed the functionality of the Cell Ship in any way, it can't be said that they've downgraded it. It can still do everything it has always been able to do.
Upgrading something else doesn't mean you were downgraded.
It looks like a great QOL change, though it is a bit sad how unimportant the different commodities are. Maybe we should have a bit more "trade" going on in the game. Like transporting goods between the different planets and exploration nebulas.
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This Discussion happened a long time ago, and repeats on occasion. The original ship to have bank exchange etc was the Tuffli Freighter and it was a sought after ship, for those reasons. As well as it had Crafting, the warp to nebula's, ship change function the discounted commodities, Ferengi Trader on board. Slowly over the years the different abilities were spread out over the larger player base, and it has lead to the cell ship and Tuffli demise.
Crafting revamp removed crafting from the Tuffli completely, With this change even the few people who wanted invites will stop from a trickle and move to a drought. I have gotten used to having it and even though this change hurts both the Tuffli's and Cell's, we will adapt.
Whats left for the Tuffli's and Cell's that keep them unique?
Cell ship, Tau Dewa Aid Mission.
Tuffli Freighter, Large multi room interrior map, ability to summon a security officer for turn in contraband.
Both, Ability to switch ships in areas like the dyson space and undine battlezone's, Unless they added that option to the normal way. as last time I tried it was disabled.
thx @snoggymack22 for explaining this offtopic to me AGAIN after the poster explained it twice thx very much
how baut more off topic so we can close the topic?
How about you learn how to spell? A number of posters have made great points on the value the Cell Ship has even if you do not need to grab commodities for fleet projects. I personally use my cell and dump commodities into my alt bank for my other toons. I do not see this as a slap in the face on the Cell Ship, more of a player request that has been granted.
To your topic about reduced cost of commodities on the Cell Ship to donate to fleet projects, you have a valid point there, I bet a few number crunchers in the game will do that math and bring it up on the forums if they find it unfair.
So basically the few suffer for the greater good. That's pretty typical in most societies and justified in this case. You got to reap the benefits so it's wasn't a waste.
thx @snoggymack22 for explaining this offtopic to me AGAIN after the poster explained it twice thx very much
how baut more off topic so we can close the topic?
Happy to oblige. When I first read that poster's comment I thought he was comparing you to Scrooge McDuck. And had completely forgotten about Ebenezer, the original namesake. And I was thinking that maybe you too were getting your screenname from Scrooge McDuck, and that makes me wonder whether it's because you watched Duck Tales, or because you read the Barks comics from oh so long ago.
So which is it? Are you like the JJ Abrams type fan, using Scrooge McDuck's moniker because you liked Duck Tales? Or are you more like the STO community at large and a purist?
And that makes me think that this move is being done because of JJ Abrams and his impact on Star Trek.
What say you? Is the cell ship downgrade yet another thing that Abrams has done to tarnish both Star Trek and Duck Tales?
thx @snoggymack22 for explaining this offtopic to me AGAIN after the poster explained it twice thx very much
how baut more off topic so we can close the topic?
Happy to oblige. When I first read that poster's comment I thought he was comparing you to Scrooge McDuck. And had completely forgotten about Ebenezer, the original namesake. And I was thinking that maybe you too were getting your screenname from Scrooge McDuck, and that makes me wonder whether it's because you watched Duck Tales, or because you read the Barks comics from oh so long ago.
So which is it? Are you like the JJ Abrams type fan, using Scrooge McDuck's moniker because you liked Duck Tales? Or are you more like the STO community at large and a purist?
And that makes me think that this move is being done because of JJ Abrams and his impact on Star Trek.
What say you? Is the cell ship downgrade yet another thing that Abrams has done to tarnish both Star Trek and Duck Tales?
Haha, now you see I'd done pretty much the reverse of your thinking and intended it as an Ebenezer reference while entirely forgetting about Scrooge McDuck.
Meh. I mainly use my cell ship for the exchange and ship selector. It'd be really neat if there was a tailor there too (or some way to change uniform without being a full tailor) but we have to be realistic when it comes to changes to such an old ship.
It's not a downgrade by any definition, it's just been rendered less useful than it was before. Remember the Captain's Table? Same thing.
thx @snoggymack22 for explaining this offtopic to me AGAIN after the poster explained it twice thx very much
how baut more off topic so we can close the topic?
Happy to oblige. When I first read that poster's comment I thought he was comparing you to Scrooge McDuck. And had completely forgotten about Ebenezer, the original namesake. And I was thinking that maybe you too were getting your screenname from Scrooge McDuck, and that makes me wonder whether it's because you watched Duck Tales, or because you read the Barks comics from oh so long ago.
So which is it? Are you like the JJ Abrams type fan, using Scrooge McDuck's moniker because you liked Duck Tales? Or are you more like the STO community at large and a purist?
And that makes me think that this move is being done because of JJ Abrams and his impact on Star Trek.
What say you? Is the cell ship downgrade yet another thing that Abrams has done to tarnish both Star Trek and Duck Tales?
Your cell ship will still be able to produce some decent doffs via the Tau Dewa Aid doff assignments. There's still a fair bit of value there.
It'll be interesting to see how EC cost for fleet projects work out as compared to the previous commodity cost. Maybe the discount commodity broker at the Embassy and on the cell ship should sell discounted fleet energy credits? This would be a reasonable compromise. I think Cryptic should put their top men to work on this concept.
It'll be interesting to see how EC cost for fleet projects work out as compared to the previous commodity cost. Maybe the discount commodity broker at the Embassy and on the cell ship should sell discounted fleet energy credits? This would be a reasonable compromise. I think Cryptic should put their top men to work on this concept.
The new EC costs are based on the replicator prices. There will be no discount for the embassy broker or the other suppliers of commodities and no discount for ferengi captains. Commodities gained from doffing will be almost worthless. The cost of filling fleet projects will be more expensive for everyone and the selling of commodities on the exchange will no longer be worth your time. With this change they should remove commodities entirely from the game.
sooo with the next patch from what I see on tribble we will be seeing most replicator items replaced by EC donation
ok regular ppl save time bc they dont need to replicate those items before donating
but I used to get them on my cell ship with my ferengi gettign an extra discouhnt on the low prices there
and I bet a lot of u did the same
so now I have to pay the same as all the others nice increase of EC sinking and nice downgrade of the cell ship is how I see this
or is this change only on tribble?
When the Tuffli lost the crafting console, it really was a big loss to the ship because it was one of the reasons people went after it in the first place, in addition to the Quarter Master. I believe the Cell ship will experience something similar once ECs replace commodities. There is still some light for both ships; commodities are still used for DOFF missions, so there will be need to get certain commodities, which means Ferengi will be useful still, especially if they have either ship; they just won't be as popular as they once were.
Let us suppose that we took this idea to an extreme, and suddenly all ships (Cruisers, Escorts, T6, T1, Event rewards etc) all suddenly had the same abilities and functionality? What would make it worthwhile to spend more time and energy to get say, a Dyson Science Destroyer, when a Miranda was free and did the same job? What if all ships could use the same hanger pets? You see what I mean?
It would be pointless! Lets nerf all the odd racial abilities so that nobody has to worry about rembering what their toon is suppossed to be able to do. That also would be pointless! Why worry about what Race you go with if there are no longer any pros and cons to which one you take. Why is having a Reman or a Borg cool? Or a Ferengi? It can just be cosmetic, if Cryptic decides it should be, but then why would I spend 1000 Zen to unlock Remans as PCs? Why would I spend Zen to get a Reman Bridge Officer if they are all exactly alike?
Ultimately the Tuffli and Cell ships were prizes because they were very special. The Tuffli is a gunnery practice target! I mean really! You have one ( I don't but ... ) and use it because it is special, and different, and it is valuable because of what it can/could do that no other ship can/could.
So yes, I lament with the OP that a very cool thing is having one of it's cooler things nerfed into obscurity. I think some of you who think it is no big deal would feel differently if your Pilot ships suddenly all worked just like Miranda except for a 1% turn rate advantage. I mean it is still better ... but it isn't the same.
I checked and the Tuffli is about 200-500 million ec the other day. Why bother? Cause it looks cool?
Some things need Nerfed, but then again, some things are just sloppy fixes that take sparkle out of the game. When every ship is equally special, no ship will be special. I still have my Miranda. I'll be fine ...
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If so, great move in my view. As the majority of players don't have a cell ship, I'd say this comes under the heading of an ease for the many outweighing the 'loss' for the few.
well yes for the majority its a save time when donating to fleet project but thats NOT the topic
the topic says lets talk downgrade of the cell ship
I was referring to the 'scrooge' part. You know who Ebenezer Scrooge is, right?
The cell ship hasn't been downgraded, they've simply made a system improvement which will benefit the majority of players. The cell ship can still do everything it has always been able to do, it's just that one of the things it can do now has less of an advantage than it has hitherto had.
it got downgraded bc you dont need the replicator items there anymore when fleets dont need replicator item donation
Yes, I am fully aware of the edit function - as, however, in both of the above cases my two posts were on slightly different topics, I chose not to use it.
It looks like a great QOL change, though it is a bit sad how unimportant the different commodities are. Maybe we should have a bit more "trade" going on in the game. Like transporting goods between the different planets and exploration nebulas.
Crafting revamp removed crafting from the Tuffli completely, With this change even the few people who wanted invites will stop from a trickle and move to a drought. I have gotten used to having it and even though this change hurts both the Tuffli's and Cell's, we will adapt.
Whats left for the Tuffli's and Cell's that keep them unique?
Cell ship, Tau Dewa Aid Mission.
Tuffli Freighter, Large multi room interrior map, ability to summon a security officer for turn in contraband.
Both, Ability to switch ships in areas like the dyson space and undine battlezone's, Unless they added that option to the normal way. as last time I tried it was disabled.
We are Freighter pilots, we will adapt.
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The poster said the name was appropriate. Not inappropriate. The poster was referring to the Scrooge part of the name.
how baut more off topic so we can close the topic?
:this board needs a rolleyes smilie:
How about you learn how to spell? A number of posters have made great points on the value the Cell Ship has even if you do not need to grab commodities for fleet projects. I personally use my cell and dump commodities into my alt bank for my other toons. I do not see this as a slap in the face on the Cell Ship, more of a player request that has been granted.
To your topic about reduced cost of commodities on the Cell Ship to donate to fleet projects, you have a valid point there, I bet a few number crunchers in the game will do that math and bring it up on the forums if they find it unfair.
Happy to oblige. When I first read that poster's comment I thought he was comparing you to Scrooge McDuck. And had completely forgotten about Ebenezer, the original namesake. And I was thinking that maybe you too were getting your screenname from Scrooge McDuck, and that makes me wonder whether it's because you watched Duck Tales, or because you read the Barks comics from oh so long ago.
So which is it? Are you like the JJ Abrams type fan, using Scrooge McDuck's moniker because you liked Duck Tales? Or are you more like the STO community at large and a purist?
And that makes me think that this move is being done because of JJ Abrams and his impact on Star Trek.
What say you? Is the cell ship downgrade yet another thing that Abrams has done to tarnish both Star Trek and Duck Tales?
Haha, now you see I'd done pretty much the reverse of your thinking and intended it as an Ebenezer reference while entirely forgetting about Scrooge McDuck.
It's not a downgrade by any definition, it's just been rendered less useful than it was before. Remember the Captain's Table? Same thing.
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It'll be interesting to see how EC cost for fleet projects work out as compared to the previous commodity cost. Maybe the discount commodity broker at the Embassy and on the cell ship should sell discounted fleet energy credits? This would be a reasonable compromise. I think Cryptic should put their top men to work on this concept.
Exactly.
p.s. the new lighting system is just a cover story to introduce more lens flare into STO
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The new EC costs are based on the replicator prices. There will be no discount for the embassy broker or the other suppliers of commodities and no discount for ferengi captains. Commodities gained from doffing will be almost worthless. The cost of filling fleet projects will be more expensive for everyone and the selling of commodities on the exchange will no longer be worth your time. With this change they should remove commodities entirely from the game.
When the Tuffli lost the crafting console, it really was a big loss to the ship because it was one of the reasons people went after it in the first place, in addition to the Quarter Master. I believe the Cell ship will experience something similar once ECs replace commodities. There is still some light for both ships; commodities are still used for DOFF missions, so there will be need to get certain commodities, which means Ferengi will be useful still, especially if they have either ship; they just won't be as popular as they once were.
Well that's good news. Where's the dev tracker? oh yeah.....got a link?
Let us suppose that we took this idea to an extreme, and suddenly all ships (Cruisers, Escorts, T6, T1, Event rewards etc) all suddenly had the same abilities and functionality? What would make it worthwhile to spend more time and energy to get say, a Dyson Science Destroyer, when a Miranda was free and did the same job? What if all ships could use the same hanger pets? You see what I mean?
It would be pointless! Lets nerf all the odd racial abilities so that nobody has to worry about rembering what their toon is suppossed to be able to do. That also would be pointless! Why worry about what Race you go with if there are no longer any pros and cons to which one you take. Why is having a Reman or a Borg cool? Or a Ferengi? It can just be cosmetic, if Cryptic decides it should be, but then why would I spend 1000 Zen to unlock Remans as PCs? Why would I spend Zen to get a Reman Bridge Officer if they are all exactly alike?
Ultimately the Tuffli and Cell ships were prizes because they were very special. The Tuffli is a gunnery practice target! I mean really! You have one ( I don't but ... ) and use it because it is special, and different, and it is valuable because of what it can/could do that no other ship can/could.
So yes, I lament with the OP that a very cool thing is having one of it's cooler things nerfed into obscurity. I think some of you who think it is no big deal would feel differently if your Pilot ships suddenly all worked just like Miranda except for a 1% turn rate advantage. I mean it is still better ... but it isn't the same.
I checked and the Tuffli is about 200-500 million ec the other day. Why bother? Cause it looks cool?
Some things need Nerfed, but then again, some things are just sloppy fixes that take sparkle out of the game. When every ship is equally special, no ship will be special. I still have my Miranda. I'll be fine ...
Qapla! Live Long and Prosper. Remember the I.D.I.C.