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Lukari should make a warship

Been away from the forums, boy I missed ya'll, due to the start of my first year at University. But, now that I found some downtime... at about 2 A.M here in the Great Northwest, I figured I should chime in and say I vote that the Lukari make a war ship. I mean, we just finished a gigantic conflict (that wasn't that gigantic) wiith the Iconians, albeit a good story. The Klingons have not had their epiphany, or whatever, that makes them join the Federation, thus one should still watch them from the shadows... and the rommies are just back stabers, no matter what era you're in.
Besides, this way we can influence the Lukari, mold them, shape them into our liking... wait..?

Anyway, what ya'll think?
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,557 Arc User
    Isn't that what the next story arc is going to be all about? To determine what type of spacefaring culture the Lukari will be. Personally, I prefer the Lukari version of the Sovereign. A ship that is built around exploration, but can kick butt when necessary.
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  • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 6,102 Arc User
    edited October 2016
    Or how about a ship that is scientific in nature, but can kick when it needs to? I don't know about a exploration, I mean their fairly new to space, aliens, intergalactic wars and what not. First they need to make a foot hold. I mean Archer wasn't sent on a 5 year mission (ok yes he was sent out to explore, but not like Kirk, e.i when the Federation had established themselves)

    That sounds good, I'd build it with just enough weapons and enhanced shielding so it can defend itself at least. All they need is enough ships for home defence.
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    • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,557 Arc User
      Or how about a ship that is scientific in nature, but can kick when it needs to? I don't know about a exploration, I mean their fairly new to space, aliens, intergalactic wars and what not. First they need to make a foot hold. I mean Archer wasn't sent on a 5 year mission (ok yes he was sent out to explore, but not like Kirk, e.i when the Federation had established themselves)

      Exploration and Scientific are pretty much the same thing. Both try to expand the limits of their understanding, However, Science ships has always taken a lesser role in Star Trek series. The Lukari need their Archer or Kirk to inspire thousands of Lukari to explore the galaxy and that is not done by just scanning various stellar phenomena.
    • asuran14asuran14 Member Posts: 2,335 Arc User
      If not for the fact that I doubt the playerbase would go for it, I would not mind if they went back to the idea of a shifting/transforming type set up like the dyson ships. If they stay away from making it that it has a inclination towards one specific energy/weapon type, and maybe went between being a destroyer an a cruiser or science classes could be interesting.
    • horridpersonhorridperson Member Posts: 665 Arc User
      I think that the Lukari need to focus on building a ship that will maintain structural integrity and life support under optimal circumstances without the additional duress a combat scenario would apply. In some respects the Lukari are far beyond humanity during their foray into space during the 22nd century but in other areas they are still far behind.

      More than this the Lukari are a poor substitute for their inquisitive and extroverted human counterparts. The Lukari have likely had the means to reach the stars for some time but lack the ambition and drive to make it happen. They can say the word explorers as well as anyone else but they are not explorers. They have been content to sit in their solar system under potential threat during multiple visitations from other species and have taken no action. Only by way of deus ex have they suddenly been uplifted on to the galactic stage.

      The only question on that matter is what ship will the Gorn give them? The plot hole question I'd like an answer to is what has Dano's ancestor been doing flying around the galaxy during all of those Nah'kul raids? The Feds shouldn't even be dealing with these aliens at all; While they manages a warp capable probe they still haven't accomplished manned warp travel of their own devising.
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    • smokebaileysmokebailey Member Posts: 4,668 Arc User
      I think that the Lukari need to focus on building a ship that will maintain structural integrity and life support under optimal circumstances without the additional duress a combat scenario would apply. In some respects the Lukari are far beyond humanity during their foray into space during the 22nd century but in other areas they are still far behind.

      More than this the Lukari are a poor substitute for their inquisitive and extroverted human counterparts. The Lukari have likely had the means to reach the stars for some time but lack the ambition and drive to make it happen. They can say the word explorers as well as anyone else but they are not explorers. They have been content to sit in their solar system under potential threat during multiple visitations from other species and have taken no action. Only by way of deus ex have they suddenly been uplifted on to the galactic stage.

      The only question on that matter is what ship will the Gorn give them? The plot hole question I'd like an answer to is what has Dano's ancestor been doing flying around the galaxy during all of those Nah'kul raids? The Feds shouldn't even be dealing with these aliens at all; While they manages a warp capable probe they still haven't accomplished manned warp travel of their own devising.

      The whole 'warp capable' thing being THE requirement to even be WORTHY of meeting the Federation, I always felt was "BLAH!" since in TOS, many apparently non warp capable cultures were interacting with the Federation. Not to mention episodes like "First Contact" and that one where Worf's human brother got in TROUBLE for SAVING a non warp species from destruction always gives me the :'(:(:/ To me, that's like a ruthless billionaire who sees, say a homeless man dying on the street, and instead of helping him, taking him to get medical help, food,etc, he either just steps over him and goes his merry way or shouts "GET A JOB YOU BUM!" to the dying man.

      That's just my view point on the PD. In TOS, it felt alot more sensible, but in late TNG, it become more of an excursive country club for those old rich guys.

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    • byozuma#0956 byozuma Member Posts: 502 Arc User
      edited October 2016
      It did seem odd that they drew the line at 'warp-capable'. Not saying warp isn't impressive and incredibly difficult to nail down, but what if the culture develops different means? Like instead of seeing the problem of travel time as something to be avoided they instead embraced it with generational ships? According to the Prime Directive you can't mess with them, too primitive, even if they might have solved all the problems of space travel without developing warp. We'll call this theoretical alien race the Fotuwonti.

      Append: Besides, the Lukari could probably strike a deal with the Ferengi for some secondhand starships, the Ferengi had paid them a visit in the past after all.
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    • jade1280jade1280 Member Posts: 868 Arc User
      With the help of the Gorn behind the Empire and Federations field of vision they will create both kinds and nail down temporal tech which will be intergrated and eventually leads them to become part of the superpower that is the Galactic alliance.
    • smokebaileysmokebailey Member Posts: 4,668 Arc User
      jade1280 wrote: »
      With the help of the Gorn behind the Empire and Federations field of vision they will create both kinds and nail down temporal tech which will be intergrated and eventually leads them to become part of the superpower that is the Galactic alliance.

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    • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,708 Arc User
      A warship is not necessary. The Lukari can start with a basic science vessel to explore and when they find out their neighbors are space hippies, slave traders, machine men and greedy trolls they can do the sensible thing and throw some additional weapons on that science ship.

      Starting out with a warship, thereby potentially antagonizing the neighbors while having no idea of their strength, is a bad idea.
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    • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,557 Arc User
      I think that the Lukari need to focus on building a ship that will maintain structural integrity and life support under optimal circumstances without the additional duress a combat scenario would apply. In some respects the Lukari are far beyond humanity during their foray into space during the 22nd century but in other areas they are still far behind.

      More than this the Lukari are a poor substitute for their inquisitive and extroverted human counterparts. The Lukari have likely had the means to reach the stars for some time but lack the ambition and drive to make it happen. They can say the word explorers as well as anyone else but they are not explorers. They have been content to sit in their solar system under potential threat during multiple visitations from other species and have taken no action. Only by way of deus ex have they suddenly been uplifted on to the galactic stage.

      The only question on that matter is what ship will the Gorn give them? The plot hole question I'd like an answer to is what has Dano's ancestor been doing flying around the galaxy during all of those Nah'kul raids? The Feds shouldn't even be dealing with these aliens at all; While they manages a warp capable probe they still haven't accomplished manned warp travel of their own devising.

      The whole 'warp capable' thing being THE requirement to even be WORTHY of meeting the Federation, I always felt was "BLAH!" since in TOS, many apparently non warp capable cultures were interacting with the Federation. Not to mention episodes like "First Contact" and that one where Worf's human brother got in TROUBLE for SAVING a non warp species from destruction always gives me the :'(:(:/ To me, that's like a ruthless billionaire who sees, say a homeless man dying on the street, and instead of helping him, taking him to get medical help, food,etc, he either just steps over him and goes his merry way or shouts "GET A JOB YOU BUM!" to the dying man.

      That's just my view point on the PD. In TOS, it felt alot more sensible, but in late TNG, it become more of an excursive country club for those old rich guys.

      ~plops on a hardhat, awaiting any possible heavy objects being thrown her way~

      The excuse is that it is all about protecting the natural development of a species. Having an alien race come to their planet will mess up their society and institute alien values on their society as proven by when Europeans first came to North America.

      Of course, certain exceptions should be made due to alien invasion, ignorant alien tourists, or some natural disaster about to destroy their planet. You can't have any more natural development of your species if it is going to end in a month.
    • psycoticvulcanpsycoticvulcan Member Posts: 4,160 Arc User
      Between the Federation, the Klingons, and the Ferengi, I doubt there's anything in their area of space that hasn't already been explored. Everything their new ship can conceivably visit will have already been picked clean of all anomalies and resources explorers would be interested in.

      So a warship makes the most practical sense.
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    • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,557 Arc User
      Between the Federation, the Klingons, and the Ferengi, I doubt there's anything in their area of space that hasn't already been explored. Everything their new ship can conceivably visit will have already been picked clean of all anomalies and resources explorers would be interested in.

      So a warship makes the most practical sense.

      Makes the most practical sense, but that didn't stop Archer from exploring the galaxy even though the Vulcans have already explored the majority of the space that Archer explored. Exploration is partially about getting a culture's presence known to others. Even then, the Lukari might discover something that the Federation, Klingons, and Ferengi have missed.
    • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,284 Arc User
      the ferengi ignore anything that won't bring them profit, the klingons ignore anything that won't bring them honor and glory to their houses and that particular area of space is located very close to breen space, whom are antagonistic to the federation if not outright hostile...i can't imagine much exploration was done in that region of space​​
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    • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,016 Arc User
      Every single ship in STO is a "warship". If you missed it, we use everything at our disposal - including "science" - to maim and kill. Whatever ship the Lukari will get, it's a T6 and thus able to lay waste to anything. Only thing you might be worried about is the label, if you are one of those people that are afraid that something is going to fall off of them if they play anything that's not labeled "battle-", "war-", "tactical-" ...​​
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    • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
      angrytarg wrote: »
      Every single ship in STO is a "warship". If you missed it, we use everything at our disposal - including "science" - to maim and kill. Whatever ship the Lukari will get, it's a T6 and thus able to lay waste to anything. Only thing you might be worried about is the label, if you are one of those people that are afraid that something is going to fall off of them if they play anything that's not labeled "battle-", "war-", "tactical-" ...​​

      Well I want a Super Star Destroyer...

      Doesn't have 'battle', 'war', or 'tactical' in it anywhere :#
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      Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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    • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
      angrytarg wrote: »
      Every single ship in STO is a "warship". If you missed it, we use everything at our disposal - including "science" - to maim and kill. Whatever ship the Lukari will get, it's a T6 and thus able to lay waste to anything. Only thing you might be worried about is the label, if you are one of those people that are afraid that something is going to fall off of them if they play anything that's not labeled "battle-", "war-", "tactical-" ...​​

      Dreadnaughts are okay, too, thank you very much. :p
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    • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,016 Arc User
      artan42 wrote: »
      Well I want a Super Star Destroyer...

      Doesn't have 'battle', 'war', or 'tactical' in it anywhere :#

      You know what they say about super star destroyer commanders... pig-49.gif


      Dreadnaughts are okay, too, thank you very much. :p

      Tactical Battledreadnaughts of war?​​
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      "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
      "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
      "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
    • horridpersonhorridperson Member Posts: 665 Arc User
      The Vulcan stewardship of Earth is a poor analogy in the case of the Lukari. The Vulcans weren't forthcoming about much of the information they had and worked passively to slow human exploration.

      In contrast the insular Lukari have sat idly for some time with no impetus to look beyond their own solar system in spite of having experienced repeated contacts with other races. If anything the alliance seems to be pushing them into space all the way.

      While I liked the introduction of the Lukari I don't have much appreciation for their contrived advancement and the "chosen one" status they seem to have stumbled into. Within the context of Star Trek proper this civilization is not ready; They wouldn't be getting a push with the Federation and Klingons tripping over one another giving them things if it were the case. Within STO I think the meta mandate for a brand new T6 ship is steamrollering a plausible narrative.
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    • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,284 Arc User
      when you've just come out of a devastating galactic war, you do things you wouldn't normally do...much like the federation did with the evora during the dominion war - a species that had only just gained warp capability a year prior and yet the federation were tripping all over themselves to bring them into the fold, to the extent they sent the enterprise-e to host the evoran delegation​​
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      The Force is united within me.
    • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
      edited October 2016
      angrytarg wrote: »
      artan42 wrote: »
      Well I want a Super Star Destroyer...

      Doesn't have 'battle', 'war', or 'tactical' in it anywhere :#

      You know what they say about super star destroyer commanders... pig-49.gif
      That they're some of the best developed Imperial characters and show 3D characterisation beyond simple villainy?
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      Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
      JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.

      #TASforSTO


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      'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
      'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
      '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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    • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,284 Arc User
      well, considering the only canon commander of a super star destroyer was darth vader (that i know of; considering the speed of material being released, another might've slipped in by now) and he was a main character so he'd naturally have 3D characterization, that really isn't saying much​​
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      #LegalizeAwoo

      A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
      An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
      A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
      A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"


      "It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
      "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
      Passion and Serenity are one.
      I gain power by understanding both.
      In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
      I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
      The Force is united within me.
    • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
      well, considering the only canon commander of a super star destroyer was darth vader (that i know of; considering the speed of material being released, another might've slipped in by now) and he was a main character so he'd naturally have 3D characterization, that really isn't saying much​​

      Piett was the commander of the Executor. Or at least by Endor he was.
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      Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
      JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.

      #TASforSTO


      '...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
      'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
      'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
      '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
      'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
      '...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek

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    • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,284 Arc User
      edited October 2016
      was he the ACTUAL commander or was he only the commander because vader was otherwise occupied with luke? aka an acting captain

      and in a vain effort to stay somewhat on topic...they should definitely build a cross between a science vessel and pure warship - or go the dyson route and make it a transformer - just because the dysons kind of bombed, doesn't mean this one will​​
      Like special weapons from other Star Trek games? Wondering if they can be replicated in STO even a little bit? Check this out: https://forum.arcgames.com/startrekonline/discussion/1262277/a-mostly-comprehensive-guide-to-star-trek-videogame-special-weapons-and-their-sto-equivalents

      #LegalizeAwoo

      A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
      An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
      A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
      A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"


      "It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
      "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
      Passion and Serenity are one.
      I gain power by understanding both.
      In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
      I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
      The Force is united within me.
    • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,016 Arc User
      artan42 wrote: »
      That they're some of the best developed Imperial characters and show 3D characterisation beyond simple villainy?

      May be, but they have shortcomings at parking that thing in space dock pig-26.gif​​
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      ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
      "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
      "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
      "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
    • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
      was he the ACTUAL commander or was he only the commander because vader was otherwise occupied with luke? aka an acting captain

      and in a vain effort to stay somewhat on topic...they should definitely build a cross between a science vessel and pure warship - or go the dyson route and make it a transformer - just because the dysons kind of bombed, doesn't mean this one will​​
      I am still not convinced they actually bombed. Because I remember Geko saying that these packs worked very well for them, and by then they had something like 3 packs or so only.
      The other thing is that Science Vessels never sold all too well, and that probably means it was the least succesful pack. Doesn't mean it bombed.
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    • smokebaileysmokebailey Member Posts: 4,668 Arc User
      starkaos wrote: »
      I think that the Lukari need to focus on building a ship that will maintain structural integrity and life support under optimal circumstances without the additional duress a combat scenario would apply. In some respects the Lukari are far beyond humanity during their foray into space during the 22nd century but in other areas they are still far behind.

      More than this the Lukari are a poor substitute for their inquisitive and extroverted human counterparts. The Lukari have likely had the means to reach the stars for some time but lack the ambition and drive to make it happen. They can say the word explorers as well as anyone else but they are not explorers. They have been content to sit in their solar system under potential threat during multiple visitations from other species and have taken no action. Only by way of deus ex have they suddenly been uplifted on to the galactic stage.

      The only question on that matter is what ship will the Gorn give them? The plot hole question I'd like an answer to is what has Dano's ancestor been doing flying around the galaxy during all of those Nah'kul raids? The Feds shouldn't even be dealing with these aliens at all; While they manages a warp capable probe they still haven't accomplished manned warp travel of their own devising.

      The whole 'warp capable' thing being THE requirement to even be WORTHY of meeting the Federation, I always felt was "BLAH!" since in TOS, many apparently non warp capable cultures were interacting with the Federation. Not to mention episodes like "First Contact" and that one where Worf's human brother got in TROUBLE for SAVING a non warp species from destruction always gives me the :'(:(:/ To me, that's like a ruthless billionaire who sees, say a homeless man dying on the street, and instead of helping him, taking him to get medical help, food,etc, he either just steps over him and goes his merry way or shouts "GET A JOB YOU BUM!" to the dying man.

      That's just my view point on the PD. In TOS, it felt alot more sensible, but in late TNG, it become more of an excursive country club for those old rich guys.

      ~plops on a hardhat, awaiting any possible heavy objects being thrown her way~

      The excuse is that it is all about protecting the natural development of a species. Having an alien race come to their planet will mess up their society and institute alien values on their society as proven by when Europeans first came to North America.

      Of course, certain exceptions should be made due to alien invasion, ignorant alien tourists, or some natural disaster about to destroy their planet. You can't have any more natural development of your species if it is going to end in a month.

      Ummm, the native Americans did not 'invite' the white men, for they invited themselves. And I highly doubt any invasion would be done according the rules of fair play:


      ~On a Klingon D7, Kang and Kor see a plant on screen~

      Kang: Look at that world, Kor.....lots of resource wealth, strong humanoid species good for slave labor, and close to the Federation borders! Shall we begin operations, now?

      Kor: No, we have not been invited properly, yet.

      Kang: Sir?

      Kor: We cannot simply barge in, disruptors blazin' hot and just take over. That would be plain rude.

      Kang: ~face palm~


      Also, from history, many institutions.....social, religious, economic, political......are often the problems of the world, and not the solution. And if they were to crumble, due to the fact there's alien life out there, and that we or anyone else are not the center of the universe, I say that's good, because, as the old saying goes, "the truth will set you free!"
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    • kjfettkjfett Member Posts: 370 Arc User
      The Lukari are not capable of building a ship at this point in time, much less one that would be capable of being even a T1 ship.

      http://sto.gamepedia.com/Lukari

      The Lukari are a warp-capable species; however, they have not developed starships of their own. Instead, their warp-capable craft are limited to small probes. While the Lukari have never felt compelled to explore outside their own system, they have made contact with the Ferengi and Tzenkethi in the past. They are aware of the Deferi and the Breen, but have never encountered those species directly. The Lukari are unfamiliar with transporter technology.

      They haven't been able to move themselves passed small probes and have no vessels capable of actually carrying anyone.

      They don't have transporters.

      The Federation isn't going to give this stuff to them and it's unlikely they have resources that would convince others like the Ferengi to hand it over either...and even if they did, they are many years from researching and developing what they have to a point it would be comparable to a T2 ship.

      Furthermore, we have many species in the game that have capable ships that have yet to see T6 status so adding giving the Lukari a ship we would use is a pipe dream at best.
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    • asuran14asuran14 Member Posts: 2,335 Arc User
      kjfett wrote: »
      The Lukari are not capable of building a ship at this point in time, much less one that would be capable of being even a T1 ship.

      http://sto.gamepedia.com/Lukari

      The Lukari are a warp-capable species; however, they have not developed starships of their own. Instead, their warp-capable craft are limited to small probes. While the Lukari have never felt compelled to explore outside their own system, they have made contact with the Ferengi and Tzenkethi in the past. They are aware of the Deferi and the Breen, but have never encountered those species directly. The Lukari are unfamiliar with transporter technology.

      They haven't been able to move themselves passed small probes and have no vessels capable of actually carrying anyone.

      They don't have transporters.

      The Federation isn't going to give this stuff to them and it's unlikely they have resources that would convince others like the Ferengi to hand it over either...and even if they did, they are many years from researching and developing what they have to a point it would be comparable to a T2 ship.

      Furthermore, we have many species in the game that have capable ships that have yet to see T6 status so adding giving the Lukari a ship we would use is a pipe dream at best.

      I agree that alone without aid from other races they would be in line to see getting a tier 1-2 maybe even tier 3 after some time. Yet we are not seeing this as what is happening with the Lukari at this point. As they are ys starting to work on the concept of making a starship, but also it seems that they are getting aid from the federation an Kdf, with even the fact of the Gorn giving them a ship that might be only in the league of a tier 1-4 ranking that could be reverse engineered. So that could boost their production/research by quite abit of time an tiers, while also the fact of getting weapons/tech from the two factions as well.
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