Been away from the forums, boy I missed ya'll, due to the start of my first year at University. But, now that I found some downtime... at about 2 A.M here in the Great Northwest, I figured I should chime in and say I vote that the Lukari make a war ship. I mean, we just finished a gigantic conflict (that wasn't that gigantic) wiith the Iconians, albeit a good story. The Klingons have not had their epiphany, or whatever, that makes them join the Federation, thus one should still watch them from the shadows... and the rommies are just back stabers, no matter what era you're in.
Besides, this way we can influence the Lukari, mold them, shape them into our liking... wait..?
Anyway, what ya'll think?
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That sounds good, I'd build it with just enough weapons and enhanced shielding so it can defend itself at least. All they need is enough ships for home defence.
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Exploration and Scientific are pretty much the same thing. Both try to expand the limits of their understanding, However, Science ships has always taken a lesser role in Star Trek series. The Lukari need their Archer or Kirk to inspire thousands of Lukari to explore the galaxy and that is not done by just scanning various stellar phenomena.
More than this the Lukari are a poor substitute for their inquisitive and extroverted human counterparts. The Lukari have likely had the means to reach the stars for some time but lack the ambition and drive to make it happen. They can say the word explorers as well as anyone else but they are not explorers. They have been content to sit in their solar system under potential threat during multiple visitations from other species and have taken no action. Only by way of deus ex have they suddenly been uplifted on to the galactic stage.
The only question on that matter is what ship will the Gorn give them? The plot hole question I'd like an answer to is what has Dano's ancestor been doing flying around the galaxy during all of those Nah'kul raids? The Feds shouldn't even be dealing with these aliens at all; While they manages a warp capable probe they still haven't accomplished manned warp travel of their own devising.
The whole 'warp capable' thing being THE requirement to even be WORTHY of meeting the Federation, I always felt was "BLAH!" since in TOS, many apparently non warp capable cultures were interacting with the Federation. Not to mention episodes like "First Contact" and that one where Worf's human brother got in TROUBLE for SAVING a non warp species from destruction always gives me the
That's just my view point on the PD. In TOS, it felt alot more sensible, but in late TNG, it become more of an excursive country club for those old rich guys.
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Append: Besides, the Lukari could probably strike a deal with the Ferengi for some secondhand starships, the Ferengi had paid them a visit in the past after all.
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Starting out with a warship, thereby potentially antagonizing the neighbors while having no idea of their strength, is a bad idea.
The excuse is that it is all about protecting the natural development of a species. Having an alien race come to their planet will mess up their society and institute alien values on their society as proven by when Europeans first came to North America.
Of course, certain exceptions should be made due to alien invasion, ignorant alien tourists, or some natural disaster about to destroy their planet. You can't have any more natural development of your species if it is going to end in a month.
So a warship makes the most practical sense.
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Makes the most practical sense, but that didn't stop Archer from exploring the galaxy even though the Vulcans have already explored the majority of the space that Archer explored. Exploration is partially about getting a culture's presence known to others. Even then, the Lukari might discover something that the Federation, Klingons, and Ferengi have missed.
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Well I want a Super Star Destroyer...
Doesn't have 'battle', 'war', or 'tactical' in it anywhere
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Dreadnaughts are okay, too, thank you very much.
You know what they say about super star destroyer commanders...
Tactical Battledreadnaughts of war?
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In contrast the insular Lukari have sat idly for some time with no impetus to look beyond their own solar system in spite of having experienced repeated contacts with other races. If anything the alliance seems to be pushing them into space all the way.
While I liked the introduction of the Lukari I don't have much appreciation for their contrived advancement and the "chosen one" status they seem to have stumbled into. Within the context of Star Trek proper this civilization is not ready; They wouldn't be getting a push with the Federation and Klingons tripping over one another giving them things if it were the case. Within STO I think the meta mandate for a brand new T6 ship is steamrollering a plausible narrative.
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Piett was the commander of the Executor. Or at least by Endor he was.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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and in a vain effort to stay somewhat on topic...they should definitely build a cross between a science vessel and pure warship - or go the dyson route and make it a transformer - just because the dysons kind of bombed, doesn't mean this one will
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
May be, but they have shortcomings at parking that thing in space dock
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The other thing is that Science Vessels never sold all too well, and that probably means it was the least succesful pack. Doesn't mean it bombed.
Ummm, the native Americans did not 'invite' the white men, for they invited themselves. And I highly doubt any invasion would be done according the rules of fair play:
~On a Klingon D7, Kang and Kor see a plant on screen~
Kang: Look at that world, Kor.....lots of resource wealth, strong humanoid species good for slave labor, and close to the Federation borders! Shall we begin operations, now?
Kor: No, we have not been invited properly, yet.
Kang: Sir?
Kor: We cannot simply barge in, disruptors blazin' hot and just take over. That would be plain rude.
Kang: ~face palm~
Also, from history, many institutions.....social, religious, economic, political......are often the problems of the world, and not the solution. And if they were to crumble, due to the fact there's alien life out there, and that we or anyone else are not the center of the universe, I say that's good, because, as the old saying goes, "the truth will set you free!"
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Lukari
The Lukari are a warp-capable species; however, they have not developed starships of their own. Instead, their warp-capable craft are limited to small probes. While the Lukari have never felt compelled to explore outside their own system, they have made contact with the Ferengi and Tzenkethi in the past. They are aware of the Deferi and the Breen, but have never encountered those species directly. The Lukari are unfamiliar with transporter technology.
They haven't been able to move themselves passed small probes and have no vessels capable of actually carrying anyone.
They don't have transporters.
The Federation isn't going to give this stuff to them and it's unlikely they have resources that would convince others like the Ferengi to hand it over either...and even if they did, they are many years from researching and developing what they have to a point it would be comparable to a T2 ship.
Furthermore, we have many species in the game that have capable ships that have yet to see T6 status so adding giving the Lukari a ship we would use is a pipe dream at best.
I agree that alone without aid from other races they would be in line to see getting a tier 1-2 maybe even tier 3 after some time. Yet we are not seeing this as what is happening with the Lukari at this point. As they are ys starting to work on the concept of making a starship, but also it seems that they are getting aid from the federation an Kdf, with even the fact of the Gorn giving them a ship that might be only in the league of a tier 1-4 ranking that could be reverse engineered. So that could boost their production/research by quite abit of time an tiers, while also the fact of getting weapons/tech from the two factions as well.