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tilartatilarta Member Posts: 1,802 Arc User
The following ships have been removed from the Infinity Lock Box or Lobi Store:
•Cardassian Galor Cruiser (T5)
•Jem'Hadar Heavy Escort (T5)
•Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier (T5)

The following ships have been added to the Infinity Lock Box:
•Cardassian Keldon Cruiser (T6)
•Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier (T6)

The following ship has been added to the Lobi Store:
•Jem'Hadar Heavy Escort (T6)

I find this more then a little concerning.
If I am reading it correctly, they took away 2 guaranteed ships and replaced it with the random luck draw of a Lockbox instead.

In the future, I may have wanted to purchase the T5 Dreadnaught carrier, but now it looks like I won't be able to.


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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,557 Arc User
    The Cardassian Galor Cruiser and Jem'Hadar Heavy Escort was originally Lockbox ships while the Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier was originally a Lobi Store ship. Now the Cardassian Keldon Cruiser and Tier 6 Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier are Lockbox ships while the Tier 6 Jem'Hadar Heavy Escort Carrier is now a Lobi Store ship. The Cardassian Galor Cruiser was before the existence of the Lobi Store.

    Cryptic didn't take away 2 guaranteed ships from the Lobi Store since only one of the Tier 5 ships was ever in the Lobi Store. They just decided to switch the Heavy Escort Carrier and Dreadnought Carrier around for whatever reason.
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,865 Arc User
    All of these are guaranteed ships if you sell keys for EC. No gambling required, 100% success.
  • revanindustriesrevanindustries Member Posts: 508 Arc User
    They switched the JHEC and JDC because the latter was the more popular option so they want to hide it behind a RNG wall.
  • tilartatilarta Member Posts: 1,802 Arc User
    edited October 2016
    According to my analysis of the situation, two ships (Cardassian cruiser, Dominion Battleship) were removed from the Lobi store and the 3rd (Dominion Escort) upgraded to a T6.
    That means two of them were indeed removed completely.
    I classify Lobi Store ships as guaranteed because all you have to do is earn the Lobi to get them.

    Now the Cardassian Cruiser and Dominion Battleship are stuck in some lockbox, presumably in the same loot table as every other RNG ship.
    Which, if the above is true, means the chances of getting them are diminished even more.
    To be honest, there are only 4 ships I am looking for, the two above, the Xindi Aquatic Carrier and the Tholian Taruntula.

    Hypothetically, in the extremely remote probability I did obtain one of the others, it would be traded to another player for the XAC (1st priority) or sold on Exchange for the EC to buy one directly.
    Since I only purchase keys irregularly (on average, 10 per 3 months, using Lifetime stipend), it would be a slow process to get all 4 of the target vessels.

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  • edrogenedrogen Member Posts: 202 Arc User
    Rule of Acquisition #22: A wise man can hear profit in the wind.
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,557 Arc User
    The Cardassian Galor Cruiser was never in the Lobi Store. It was always a Lockbox ship. All 3 ships were upgraded to a Tier 6 ship since the Cardassian Keldon is a Tier 6 version of the Tier 5 Cardassian Galor. It has better bridge officer slots, a new console to make up for the lack of a console on the Galor, and a starship trait while the rest of the stats are the same. Therefore, the only issue is Cryptic switching the Dreadnought Carrier and Heavy Escort Carrier.

    The way the Infinite Lockbox ships work is that the person that wins the lottery gets to determine which Tier 6 or Tier 5 ship it is. So if I win the T6 Lockbox ship prize pack, then I can choose whether I get the Tholian Tarantula Dreadnought Cruiser, Cardassian Keldon Cruiser, Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier, or any of the other standard Tier 6 Lockbox ships. So as long as it is not the Herald Vonph Dreadnought Carrier or Na'kuhl Acheros Battlecruiser from the Ultra Rare T6 Ship box, then you can choose which Tier 6 Lockbox ship you want. Of course, the Kelvin Universe Enterprise is not available due to it being the latest Tier 6 Lockbox ship, but the next Infinity Lockbox will have it. The chance of winning a T6 Lockbox ship is still at 0.5%, but now you can choose which Lockbox ship you want.

    The Xindi Aquatic Carrier is a Tier 5 ship so it would be in the Tier 5 Lockbox ship prize pack and as a result much cheaper than a Tier 6 Lockbox ship since Tier 6 is where the action is at. However, I don't know the odds of getting the Tier 5 Lockbox ship. It could be 0.5% like it was originally or they bumped it up to 1%.

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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,865 Arc User
    Since I only purchase keys irregularly (on average, 10 per 3 months, using Lifetime stipend), it would be a slow process to get all 4 of the target vessels.

    Buying with EC is the only sure way, and that's going to be slow at 500 zen a month regardless of whether the ship is lock box or lobi. Lock box ships are usually cheaper than lobi ones now thanks to the infinity box so that means you should be happy that the Galor T6 is still a lock box ship like the T5 was.
  • nccmarknccmark Member Posts: 1,084 Arc User
    It was announced a couple of days in advance. You had time to buy one from lobi store but didn't.

    The "in the future I MAY have wanted" part is not their problem.
  • bonzodog01bonzodog01 Member Posts: 147 Arc User
    As an addendum, the other reason for this change was to bring PC into line with how it is setup on console.
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  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    edited October 2016
    tilarta wrote: »
    I find this more then a little concerning.
    If I am reading it correctly, they took away 2 guaranteed ships and replaced it with the random luck draw of a Lockbox instead.

    In the future, I may have wanted to purchase the T5 Dreadnaught carrier, but now it looks like I won't be able to.
    Why would you want the T5 when the T6 is now available AND in the long run it's going to be cheaper in terms of EC.
    tilarta wrote: »
    According to my analysis of the situation, two ships (Cardassian cruiser, Dominion Battleship) were removed from the Lobi store and the 3rd (Dominion Escort) upgraded to a T6.
    The Galor was never a lobi ship. It was always a lock box ship.
    tilarta wrote: »
    Now the Cardassian Cruiser and Dominion Battleship are stuck in some lockbox, presumably in the same loot table as every other RNG ship.
    Which, if the above is true, means the chances of getting them are diminished even more.
    To be honest, there are only 4 ships I am looking for, the two above, the Xindi Aquatic Carrier and the Tholian Taruntula.
    Chew on this for a minute. Look up the price of every single T6 lock box ship that's in the infinity lock box. You see them all hovering around 150 million EC except for the Keldon and JHDC which sit at 400-500M. The two of them are new so the price is naturally higher. Give it a few weeks to a month and the price will naturally fall in line with the other Infinity Lock Box T6 ships. Seriously, this move was a very VERY good thing. Lock Box Ship prices have only come down since the Infinity Box while lobi ship prices have fluctuated between 250 million and 320 million.
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  • fluffymooffluffymoof Member Posts: 430 Arc User
    All of these are guaranteed ships if you sell keys for EC. No gambling required, 100% success.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Ships are so easy to get if you remember this one thing. You don't even have to spend a dime, because you can convert Dil to Zen to Keys to EC.
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  • nikeixnikeix Member Posts: 3,972 Arc User
    tilarta wrote: »
    According to my analysis of the situation...

    According to my analysis, your analytical skills are rubbish ;).

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  • tilartatilarta Member Posts: 1,802 Arc User
    edited October 2016
    I wasn't going to buy the Dominion ship until the Dominion playable faction is made available, because the intended species of that Captain is Jem'Hadar.
    Also, if that faction became real, it might have negated the need to buy the ship.
    And since 800 Lobi crystals is expensive in real world dollars, I was hesitant to purchase the ship if it's not strictly necessary.
    fluffymoof wrote: »
    Ships are so easy to get if you remember this one thing: You can convert Dil>C-Points>Keys>EC.

    Ah yes, excess Dilithium, we have dismissed that claim.
    My fleet is entering a Dilithium heavy donation phase and therefore, as one of the major contributors, I don't have much left free to spend on C-Points.
    Any spare Dil I have either goes to crafting or Reputation items.

    And I prefer selling Ship Modules, if they get more EC then keys, it's more efficient.

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  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    edited October 2016
    tilarta wrote: »
    And I prefer selling Ship Modules, if they get more EC then keys, it's more efficient.

    Fleet Ship Module: 17.8 Million EC for 500 Zen

    Master Key: 5.8 Million EC for 125 Zen

    So if you spend 500 zen on 4 keys instead of a fleet ship module, you can sell them for over 23 million EC. Keys have ALWAYS been more efficient for making EC compared to FSM's. I don't remember a time in which FSM's were ever more efficient than keys.
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  • tilartatilarta Member Posts: 1,802 Arc User
    I don't remember a time in which FSM's were ever more efficient than keys.

    It must have been so at one point, because I remember a time when I was getting more for FSM then keys.
    I am assuming this is because they were relatively new and thus, high in demand.

    It was some time ago though, so like any market, there are fluctuations and changes.
    That could have been one of them, FSM dropping in value while keys were rising.

    Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
    Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad :'(
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