Greetings, Sir, Miss:
Often I see topics of federation people, that want this ship, or that weapon, while the Romulan and Klingon Factions are forgotten, both by the players as well as by Cryptic.
Both these are way behind compared to the Federation Faction, which is why I write this.
Both the Romulan and the Klingon Faction surely can use a LOT of love and investment, compared to the Federation Faction.
While many a post about this is written, nothing has been done to bring the two forgotten factions in balance with the Federation Faction.
Please bring this to the right people, I am sure, the Romulans and Klingons would appreciate that.
Thank you beforehand:
Ben
Note:
Also sent as ticket.
Klingons don't get drunk.
They just get less sober.
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The reality is that the Romulan faction merges into Fed or KDF fairly quickly (much like 23c) and aside from the ships, isn't really an end game faction. The KDF and Feds have access to the same missions and reputations by what, lvl30 at the latest? Beyond that, they are running in parallel.
So I ask, what exactly do the feds have that a Romulan or KDF player wants, aside from ships...that we all agree needs to be addressed?
Either way it makes more economic sense for cryptic and PWE to focus on content and ships for the largest part of the player base. This should be obvious, but doesn't seem to penetrate into the minds of klingon and romulan fanboys.
What Crypic should have done (back when) should have been to create three Federation Factions, each with a slightly different play style, and benefits; maybe basing them around the Tac/Eng/Sci format, so instead of Federation, Klingon and Romulan, we'd have had Starfleet (Tac), the Federation (Eng) and Daystrom (or something) for Sci. Each faction getting toys that the others wouldn't, such as access to Klingon and Andorian characters/ships for the first, Cardassian and Tellarite characters/ships for the second, and Vulcan/Romulan ships/characters for the third.
As it stands, that'll never happen either, but it would have likely evened out the playerbase (between factions) a little more, and would better allow for cross faction missions opposed to the Federation missions that our KDF & Republic characters are forced into playing at the minute.
Q'apla!
Well yes for starters it is the ships, ships the Roms and KDF have lacked for a long time now as the next 10 federation cruisers get released.
But it's also more basic things as well, stuff like the fact that once you hit the homogenized content you are federation. All the writing is done for federation characters, the actions, your responses YOU are federation. The missions can be the same but they need to create dialogue that makes sense based on your characters faction.
Also bug that hit non-Fed take an eternity to fix, Romulan + Reman Boff recruiting has never worked since LOR, the Klingon Kar'fi has been graphically bugged since... I cant even remember how long (but hey the t6 connie got it's visuals fixed in under a week). Another example is the Gorn TOS outfits, how long you think that will take to fix? My guess? never will be.. it'll be like the romulan boffs and just disappear from the known issues without ever being resolved.
Just because Federation is more popular doesnt mean Cryptic needs to treat it's Rom and KDF players like second rate customers.
It's not chicken and egg it's called the toliet bowl flush. The factions are smaller so they recieve little attention further shrinking the player base and getting even less attention because of it continuing to shrink the player base
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
I bookmarked this thread just the other day, because of these very topics. Apparently the Romulan Republic faction has the most content, edging out the Federation and KDF:
It's time to let go of the myth that Cryptic doesn't give all three factions its attention.
and like I said earlier in this thread those cross faction missions are missions KDF and Roms can play but they are written for Federation Captains. So I'd say Feds have the most missions at 107 while KDF and Roms get to the gracious honor of being allowed into the Federations storyline so the plebeians don't complain to much.
Well, if the Klingon and Romulan players themselves already consider the KDF/Romulans to be something to flush through the toilet then why should the developers get their hands dirty on content for those factions?
Regardless, what i said stands: content/ship for the largest faction is simply more economically viable than catering to the smaller factions .
Cross Faction missions have been updated and tweaked over the years to be cross faction. So just beginning with that activity itself, that alone is evidence that the development team is working to include all three factions in their development goals. And they've continued to tweak, revise and massage missions into the overall storyline.
It is definitely time to let go of the mythology that Cryptic doesn't care. What they have come up with as a strategy (Cross Faction) may not be your desired strategy. But they do care, and they are working on content for all three factions.
Back before the Romulan faction existed, I was a stout defender of the Klingon playerbase and how neglected Klingons were. And I once did a similar task as somtaawkhar and counted each mission for KDF and each for Federation. And back then there was a huge disparity. This many years later, the focus on cross faction has surprised me as going on the latest count that I quoted, Cryptic's made big strides toward leveling the field in terms of content.
I understand if faction neutral isn't to your liking. But it's the path Cryptic chose and going on the numbers, it appears to be working.
I'm actually fine with the Romulans as they are, maybe a Security Officer in their hub would be nice so I can actually park my chars there for a change. Or even better, finish that shiny new city so we can go there.
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They are balanced for the income they produce.
I'd buy a nice T6 KDF carrier and T6 science ships for KDF and Romulans since I don't want the generic cross-faction ones.
Cryptic likes money, but apparently their marketing research tells them there are not enough people like me to justify offering those ships at this time.
Perhaps the consoles will increase the total number of KDF and Romulan players to the point where new ships make business sense.
He has to pick from 3 (now 4) factions and he picks what attracts him most. And that will be Fed a lot more often then KDF or RR.
I think Cryptic could do a better job in making faction-agnostic missions really feel agnostic. It still seems very much from a Fed perspective often. That said - the move to faction-agnostic missions is extremely common in MMOs. World of Warcraft has done it probably long before Cryptic did it. TORs latest expansion seems to have completely removed factions for the new content, every character and every faction has the same story (and even the same companions, if I understand things correctly.)
It's quite logical. It doesn't matter if a mission is for Faction A, B, C or all of them - they all cost the same to make. To get the most out of the developer time while maximizing the amount of players reached - you build faction-agnostic content.
I still think Dauntless should have been cross-faction since it's a fake fed ship.
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actually after count them for kdf t6 is even worse. counting 3 packs as one ship and not not counting fleet when it has a t5 c-store to keep numbers as low as possible, and ignoring the 31c ships because their existance annoys me. they fall.
fed t 6: 24
kdf t6 : 13
rom t 6: 13
fed t5: 28
kdf t5:20
rom: 11
and thats not covering the totally absence of science ships for kdk/rom, and the lack of carrier for kdf at t6. so not only less but less variety too. though roms got slightly better.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
That's actually generous of Cryptic to have more than 50% as many ships per faction -- KDF + Romulan = 26 ships to 24 fed, and the number of KDF + Romulan characters combined is only ... 30%? ... of the total.
If anything, this shows they are giving an unbalanced advantage to the KDF and Romulans. They make up 50% of the T6 ships and more than 50% of the T5s; yet are only what, 20% tops of the playerbase?
Stop spending so much in resources on the KDF and Romulans, Devs!
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if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
Massive.
but how massive is massive
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
And I also meant clothing sets and the like.
But yes, primarily the ships, true.
A typical Fed reaction, selfish to a new level.
"Oh, I am in the main faction, others need nothing".
While in fact, the opposite is very true.
Ships, primarily, clothing sets, things like that.
I am NOT asking for story content, since that, indeed, would be both silly and stupid.
As Sir Kjfett said, Roms become either Fed or KDF.
And I am not selfish enough to ask for that, either.
However, both Roms and Klinks can use love and some devotion to their cause.
Of course, it's the second part of your egg/chicken part.
Obviously.
Who wants to play a half done faction?
As for economics: the largest heap of players are Fed, because the egg/chicken thing.
To add to the list of things to be done: Foundry.
Thank you for filling on the list, Sir.
Hear hear.
Here's part of the answer to you, Questerious.
BS.
People are simply told by the unfinished factions to play Fed.
Or have only half a faction to play with.
Thus that theory is not a good one.
Precisely, thank you.
For the FEDS, yes, it is working, what about the rest?And no, I was attracted to the Klinks from start on, but I was FORCED!!!! to make a frikken Fed, just to get to my Klink.
As the game is, it's an advertisement to be a Fed, forget the rest, not interested.
Well, it is to some of us.
I hope that was sarcastic based a reaction?
They just get less sober.
Selfish? I asked what, aside from ships, you were referring to as you did not explain yourself in your initial post. There is nothing selfish about that. You create this grand post and even send in a ticket about it, yet you failed to actually make actionable demands that they can address.
You'll notice that the feds you look down on are in fact very specific. They want a T6 Nova. They want a T6 Sovereign. They even discuss wanting them to have pilot specializations. That's the kind of stuff that a dev is going to want to see.
Just telling them to give KDF more love and devotion means nothing.