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Will the Kelvin timeline ships come to the Zen store?

I know it hasn't happened to any lock box ship before, and it wouldn't be fair on people who have already spent all their energy credits or zen, but is it possible to get them in the c-store once the kelvin timeline lock box has ended?

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  • officerbatman81officerbatman81 Member Posts: 2,761 Arc User
    No.


    Also not fair to people who spent Benjamins.
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  • nccmarknccmark Member Posts: 1,084 Arc User
    No. You answered your own question...not fair at all.

    And if they did this, no one would buy keys/etc. ever again. They would know to just wait for C store release.
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  • tyler002tyler002 Member Posts: 1,586 Arc User
    I'd prefer those Kelvin eyesores stay in the Lockboxes, that way I don't have to see them as often.
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  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    Will pigs fly?
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    The KT Constitution will come to the Infinity Lock Box eventually. And the Vengeance is a Lobi Store purchase right?
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  • xyquarzexyquarze Member Posts: 2,130 Arc User
    Zen store ships are those which are built (or rebuilt) by the respective faction. Kelvin timeline fed is as of now not our fed.

    Exotic ships by third parties have always been lockbox, R&D-box, event reward or lobi. Granted there is more wiggle room to justify a Kelvin ship in the Zen store than, say, a Sarr Theln, but even if they wiggled that room, it would be different Kelvin designs. (Kelvin Scryer, say)
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    We MIGHT see the Kelvin herself, as technically she is BOTH Prime and KT due to existing before the branching event. More likely we'll get a second Kelvin box like we have 2 different Xindi Boxes.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,557 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    We MIGHT see the Kelvin herself, as technically she is BOTH Prime and KT due to existing before the branching event. More likely we'll get a second Kelvin box like we have 2 different Xindi Boxes.

    There is also the Jellyfish that exists in the STO Universe and should be a C-Store ship.

    The Kelvin might not exist in the Prime Universe since there is no evidence of branching involved. Since what is shown on screen is apparently the only source of canon not what is said in an interview. Either Spock and Nero traveled back in time and caused the Kelvin Universe to branch off from the Prime Universe or they traveled to another universe that is similar to the 23rd Century Prime Universe and just altered the Kelvin Universe's future. Whether there was a Kelvin in the Prime Universe that looked like the USS Kelvin could be verified in Star Trek Discovery since it is supposedly set in the Prime Universe before TOS.

  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    starkaos wrote: »
    The Kelvin might not exist in the Prime Universe since there is no evidence of branching involved. Since what is shown on screen is apparently the only source of canon not what is said in an interview. Either Spock and Nero traveled back in time and caused the Kelvin Universe to branch off from the Prime Universe or they traveled to another universe that is similar to the 23rd Century Prime Universe and just altered the Kelvin Universe's future. Whether there was a Kelvin in the Prime Universe that looked like the USS Kelvin could be verified in Star Trek Discovery since it is supposedly set in the Prime Universe before TOS.

    I am honestly curious why this is more likely than a branching timeline? Why the need to isolate it so much? You cause an alteration in an established timeline, you get a branching alternate timeline. The original still exists, which seems to be the main point of contention where people believe it doesn't anymore when it was set up in such a way as to maintain its existance.

    Based on what was explained in the '09 movie, the destruction of the Kelvin altered events. Thus creating an Alternate Reality to the one that was already set. Also if the timeline had changed and wiped out what came before it... there would be no Jellyfish because there would be no Vulcan Science Academy. If we go by the "changing the past changes the future" theory that we saw in First Contact (Where the Enterprise-E saw an assimilated Earth while caught in the temporal vortex), then by all rights the Jellyfish, and therefor Red Matter, shouldn't have existed after Nero Black Hole'd Vulcan. Not only that, if Old Spock had survived the trip back somehow, his memories should have been of the rewritten timeline, not the original.

    Since Red Matter, the Jellyfish, and Old Spock's memories were preserved even after the loss of Vulcan, that indicates that the original timeline still exists, thus the Kelvin Timeline is a branched reality off the main.

    Also... there's no guarantee we'd see a USS Kelvin in Discovery either, as the design might be the property of Paramount and would need their permission before CBS can use it. And by the time of Discovery, the Kelvin might have looked closer to a TOS version over what we saw anyways due to refit if she was still in service. If Discovery is taking place about 10 years before TOS... that would put it at about 10 years after the Kelvin passed through the region of space where she was destroyed in the '09 movie. And not knowing how long she had been in service before that... the Kelvin could have been an old ship by the time Discovery rolls around. No guarantee she'd still be in service. Might see a Kelvin configuration ship or not, but the Kelvin herself... probably questionable.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,557 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    starkaos wrote: »
    The Kelvin might not exist in the Prime Universe since there is no evidence of branching involved. Since what is shown on screen is apparently the only source of canon not what is said in an interview. Either Spock and Nero traveled back in time and caused the Kelvin Universe to branch off from the Prime Universe or they traveled to another universe that is similar to the 23rd Century Prime Universe and just altered the Kelvin Universe's future. Whether there was a Kelvin in the Prime Universe that looked like the USS Kelvin could be verified in Star Trek Discovery since it is supposedly set in the Prime Universe before TOS.

    I am honestly curious why this is more likely than a branching timeline? Why the need to isolate it so much? You cause an alteration in an established timeline, you get a branching alternate timeline. The original still exists, which seems to be the main point of contention where people believe it doesn't anymore when it was set up in such a way as to maintain its existance.

    Based on what was explained in the '09 movie, the destruction of the Kelvin altered events. Thus creating an Alternate Reality to the one that was already set. Also if the timeline had changed and wiped out what came before it... there would be no Jellyfish because there would be no Vulcan Science Academy. If we go by the "changing the past changes the future" theory that we saw in First Contact (Where the Enterprise-E saw an assimilated Earth while caught in the temporal vortex), then by all rights the Jellyfish, and therefor Red Matter, shouldn't have existed after Nero Black Hole'd Vulcan. Not only that, if Old Spock had survived the trip back somehow, his memories should have been of the rewritten timeline, not the original.

    Since Red Matter, the Jellyfish, and Old Spock's memories were preserved even after the loss of Vulcan, that indicates that the original timeline still exists, thus the Kelvin Timeline is a branched reality off the main.

    Also... there's no guarantee we'd see a USS Kelvin in Discovery either, as the design might be the property of Paramount and would need their permission before CBS can use it. And by the time of Discovery, the Kelvin might have looked closer to a TOS version over what we saw anyways due to refit if she was still in service. If Discovery is taking place about 10 years before TOS... that would put it at about 10 years after the Kelvin passed through the region of space where she was destroyed in the '09 movie. And not knowing how long she had been in service before that... the Kelvin could have been an old ship by the time Discovery rolls around. No guarantee she'd still be in service. Might see a Kelvin configuration ship or not, but the Kelvin herself... probably questionable.

    The problem is that every time travel episode in Star Trek that altered the past required the crew to fix the mistake to restore their present. If the crew of the Enterprise, Defiant, or Voyager doesn't fix the mistake, then everyone they know and the life they knew is gone. If the Kelvin Universe is a branching timeline, then all of those time travel episodes were meaningless. Kirk and Spock didn't need to kill Edith Keller to restore the Federation. All they needed to do was get used to the new reality. They didn't need to go back in time to save their present, but just because they didn't like the new timeline they were in. The ramifications of the Children of Time episode where the Defiant's descendants are erased from reality doesn't matter since they were not erased.

    So either all the drama in the time travel episodes doesn't exist or else the Prime Universe was wiped out. The excuse that Nero destroying the USS Kelvin is a special case doesn't fly since Star Trek has established the rules of time travel over the years and STO follows those established rules. There is absolutely no difference from Nero destroying the USS Kelvin and McCoy preventing Edith Keller's death.

    Agents of Yesterday is all about stopping the enemy from changing the past for their own personal gain. If new timelines were created for each temporal change, then there is no need to worry about the Temporal Liberation Front. The changes to Daniels and Noye during the various cross-faction missions clearly illustrates this point. The more changes Noye causes to the past to improve his chances, the more damage Daniels receives. If branching timelines existed, then Daniels would always look his healthy self since he wouldn't experience the various changes to the timeline that he goes through.

    If the past is changed, then the present is changed. There is no original timeline and the new timeline just the new timeline. Therefore to have the various time travel episodes mean anything and the Prime Universe to be preserved, then the Kelvin Universe has to be a parallel universe not a branching timeline. I don't want my favorite time travel episodes rendered meaningless so that is why branching timelines is something to be avoided with a passion.

    As far as seeing the USS Kelvin or a ship like it in Star Trek Discovery, it is still likely to be seen or heard about. However, Star Trek Discovery has been delayed to May. The USS Kelvin could have been launched in the 2220s or 2230s. Meaning that it would be 20 to 30 years old if Star Trek Discovery is set in the 2250s. The USS Enterprise lasted for at least 30 years from when it was first seen in The Cage with Captain Pike to when it was destroyed orbiting the Genesis Planet so it is still possible for the USS Kelvin to be in operation when Star Trek Discovery airs provided it is 10 years before TOS.
  • asuran14asuran14 Member Posts: 2,335 Arc User
    About all I could see is getting some Kelven ships that did not appear in the lockbox, but also might not be hugely pulling for them to put into a new lockbox. Like a Kelvin-styled science ship, or a Kelvin Gorn or Orion vessel would be interesting. But seeing the Connie or the other Kelvin timeline ships from the box in the c-store no, since it would be hugely unpopular with those that spent already so much.
  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,919 Arc User
    OP answers his own question while asking it..

    Brilliant.
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    The Kelvin era ships might possible end up there (Kelvin, Newton, etc.) as we know that (despite the same impotent arguments from the same tired people) that they are PT ships and that whole era is likely to cameo in DSC from what little we've heard.​​
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    I know it hasn't happened to any lock box ship before, and it wouldn't be fair on people who have already spent all their energy credits or zen, but is it possible to get them in the c-store once the kelvin timeline lock box has ended?
    This has never happened before with any lockbox ships. Do you have any reason to believe that this could change? Because I got none.
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  • nikeixnikeix Member Posts: 3,972 Arc User
    I know it hasn't happened to any lock box ship before, and it wouldn't be fair on people who have already spent all their energy credits or zen, but is it possible to get them in the c-store once the kelvin timeline lock box has ended?

    You tell me. Do you think they'll slit the throat of all future lock box sales for your convenience?

    Me? I'm thinking... No.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    starkaos wrote: »
    The problem is that every time travel episode in Star Trek that altered the past required the crew to fix the mistake to restore their present. If the crew of the Enterprise, Defiant, or Voyager doesn't fix the mistake, then everyone they know and the life they knew is gone. If the Kelvin Universe is a branching timeline, then all of those time travel episodes were meaningless. Kirk and Spock didn't need to kill Edith Keller to restore the Federation. All they needed to do was get used to the new reality. They didn't need to go back in time to save their present, but just because they didn't like the new timeline they were in. The ramifications of the Children of Time episode where the Defiant's descendants are erased from reality doesn't matter since they were not erased.

    The farther back you go, the more pronounced the changes. Go back far enough, and simply stepping on a bug could wipe out entire species.
    So either all the drama in the time travel episodes doesn't exist or else the Prime Universe was wiped out. The excuse that Nero destroying the USS Kelvin is a special case doesn't fly since Star Trek has established the rules of time travel over the years and STO follows those established rules. There is absolutely no difference from Nero destroying the USS Kelvin and McCoy preventing Edith Keller's death.

    Our theories on time have evolved since the 60s, or at least I think they have. And it also wouldn't be the first time Trek contradicted itself.
    • Klingon physical change between TOS and TMP: NEVER explained whatsoever until Enterprise.
    • Khan knowing who Chekov was when Chekov wasn't around in Ep: Space Seed
    • The change in the Warp Scale (TOS Enterprise apparently did hit Warp 14 before, but then the absolute max was changed to 10 in the TNG era)
    • Deanna saying she never kissed Riker with a beard in Insurrection before (She actually did in TNG at least once)

    The fact that all previous time travel episodes were set up the way they were was to drive the plot. There's one HUGE example of alternate reality spawned from a branching event that exists though.
    SELA
    If the Ent-C hadn't been pulled through time, creating a timeline in which the Federation and the Klingon Empire were at war, Sela wouldn't have been born. How could Sela be born if her mother had already died before that? We saw an example of a branching timeline with the Enterprise-C. While the captain of the Pastak said it was an aboration, clearly it still existed into 2409 at least, when the easy solution would have been to head it off before the Tholians got her and just send her back to Narendra III right then and there. And if they were willing to try and "correct" that one... why didn't they stop Nero? Because history recorded that the Narada and Spock disappeared. They had no reason to suspect time travel since we have a branching timeline. Otherwise you'd have a fleet of Wells class ships swarming the area to fix it.
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  • sylveriareldensylveriarelden Member Posts: 531 Arc User
    They won't. Next question?
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,919 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    nikeix wrote: »
    You tell me. Do you think they'll slit the throat of all future lock box sales for your convenience?

    Me? I'm thinking... No.

    Exactly!

    Those that think 'it's possible,' can you imagine what it would do to future key sales? Why would anyone spend money opening boxes for a random chance if the possibility exists that they can get them from the C-Store if they just wait?

    There is no chance.. zip.. zero.. none. As it should be. Most people that have these ships spent more then the C-Store price buying keys to either open boxes or sell on the exchange for EC to get the ships. Turning around and now offering them for less as an account wide unlock would be a pure slap in the face.

    Not even Cryptic would do something that stupid.
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