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Attn: Cryptic/PWE - "Star Trek Online one of the top 10 failed MMOs of all time"

captainhunter1captainhunter1 Member Posts: 1,640 Arc User
(EDIT: It seems a number of people have misunderstood why I made this post - see my post page 3 of this thread)

There's a new video from Watch Mojo.com that shows Star Trek Online, not once, but twice, as being a 'failed' MMO.

The first was an aside to Gods and Heroes (Perpetual Entertainment) but shows Cryptic gameplay (because as we all know - except for Watch Mojo apparently - there was no Perpetual gameplay, lol). We can give them a little break here seeing as how the Perpetual version DID fail, big time.

BUT...

Then they show Star Trek Online AGAIN at the end of the video (the 2010 Cryptic version) as a 'runner up' of all time failed MMOs.

Might want to have the legal department give them a call....

Here's the video:

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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    Failed? I think the fact we're still around says otherwise. We may not be WoW level successful, but still successful.
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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,559 Arc User
    My roommate was surprised to hear about APB being a "failed" MMO too - given that he plays APB Reloaded fairly often...​​
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,557 Arc User
    Star Trek Online is not one of the runner ups. Those are Motor City Online, The Sims Online, and Playstation Home. Although, saying "Did we miss any notably disappointing MMOs" at the end while STO is being shown is certainly biased. They could have explained that Perpetual lost its rights to Star Trek Online before Cryptic obtained it.

    Not sure why City of Heroes belongs in that video. If a MMO lasts for more than 5 years, had constant updates, and was profitable, then it should automatically be labelled as a success.

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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    Just for some dissenting opinions/reviews:

    As of February 16, 2016 GamesRadar ranked it 14th on its top 25 MMOs to play right now.

    A review from MassivelyOP has it coming in at number one on top free to play MMORPGs in December of 2015.

    And BestMMORPG2016 still has a 2015 review touting it as the best.

    Now I'm more even keeled, myself, so I'll just point to metacritic's overall score of 66 (which has reviews covering the entire history of the game's lifecycle), is pretty much in the medium/average range.

    So much for this being a failed MMO. At its worst it can be called a bad one. At its best it gets touted as one of the best. In the end I think it averages out to somewhere in the middle.
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,865 Arc User
    Clickbait? (Them not @captainhunter1)

    Say something wrong, get people to watch the video and promote it to others as being wrong -- instant publicity.

    It's one weird trick that's taking STO by storm!
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,557 Arc User
    I could understand it being called a failed MMO, because I don't think it IS an MMO. Not anymore.

    There are three basic kinds of games.

    Strategy games are about large scale strategy (duh). They're not really related to the MMO genre.

    Action games are about the ACTION. The purpose of playing is to experience the action, whatever it may be. Street Fighter, Quake, even Pac Man would be action games.

    Adventure games are about the STORY. The purpose of the game is to experience the story. There is usually action, but it's secondary to the story, and can often be skipped. One of the best of this type is Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines, but there's a LONG tradition here, going all the way back to TEXT adventures like Zork.

    MMOs might be considered a subset of the adventure game. The difference is in the SETTING. In an adventure game, the setting exists to support the story. Areas only exist if they're part of the story. In an MMO, the setting exists INDEPENDENTLY of the story. The idea was that new stories would be added to the setting over time. That meant the setting needed to be larger, fuller and more detailed. It's that SANDBOX aspect that defines an MMO.

    Star Trek Online has all but abandoned that design. The "world" of the game is little more than an elaborate lobby, with nothing but short battle scenarios. It's become an action game. Sure, there is a little bit of story being told, but the stories in STO are thinly contrived to put you into battles, and little else.

    Now, there's nothing wrong with STO being an action game, but it does mean it has failed to measure up as an MMO.

    Just my opinion, of course.

    MMO only means Massive Multiplayer Online. It says absolutely nothing about whether it is an action, adventure, or strategy. It doesn't matter if the game is set in an open world or mostly in instances. There are far too many MMOs that aren't Sandbox MMOs. Lots of MMOs consist of talking to this npc to do a quest and kill a bunch of other npcs with no other content. The majority of MMOs in the OP's video consist of just talking to and killing npcs. Sandbox MMOs like Star Wars Galaxy, Ultima Online, and Second Life are extremely rare.

    There is MMORPG which stands for Many Men Online Roleplaying Girls. Sorry, I meant Massive Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Game. We are roleplaying as a human or alien from the 25th Century fighting aliens and exploring the galaxy while playing with a bunch of other players in an online game. So STO definitely fits the MMORPG label.
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,865 Arc User
    This fact will shock you and it dropped jaws when I posted it before!

    It's almost impossible to win in court against subjective opinions like "the 10 most awful dual cannons of all time! #1 - proton!"

    Listicles like this are made to get views, not to be accurate or even to be the writer's real opinion. Ad revenues are all that matters to them.
  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    Watchmojo is hit or miss, this one is more miss, especially hinting that STO is failed.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    Did they at least mention Star Gate Worlds? Now THAT was a failed MMO!
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,557 Arc User
    Did they at least mention Star Gate Worlds? Now THAT was a failed MMO!

    I think it was just limited to failed MMOs that actually were released. The number of hyped up MMOs that failed to even release would easily make its own list.
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,016 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    Why do people treat a random video from a random website as some sort of authority? It's just their opinion and some people pay them for their opinion. Other than that nothing special about a site like this. People act as if the international commitee of video games declared STO a failure and we all have to fall in line.​​
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  • vegeta50024vegeta50024 Member Posts: 2,336 Arc User
    After watching this video, I can honestly say that when they were talking about a Star Trek Online being a failed MMO, it was in reference to Perpetual, who failed to even build an alpha for the game. They don't really have much to worry about beyond a little bit of a bump to a few seconds of gameplay shown of the game that was created.

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  • axegaijin13axegaijin13 Member Posts: 58 Arc User
    WatchMojo..... Mwhahahahahahahahahahahaaa yeah like they're not full of TRIBBLE....
    These "list sites" on youtube are like cancer and only care about clicks, it's 100% pure clickbait.
  • kitsunesnoutkitsunesnout Member Posts: 1,210 Arc User
    angrytarg wrote: »
    Why do people treat a random video from a random website as some sort of authority? It's just their opinion and some people pay them for their opinion. Other than that nothing special about a site like this. People act as if the international commitee of video games declared STO a failure and we all have to fall in line.​​

    Yeah, I've never even heard of these people before.

    I am unable to see the vid currently, but it's probably a completely relative to perspective opinion. I can give reasons why STO has been an awesome FTP game, but I can also give reasons and points where the game really falls short and disappoints too *Coughpvpcough*. STO has both done a lot of feats that other MMO's failed to do, but also failed in things that many others did succeed in. It just depends what you want out of the game.
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,557 Arc User
    After watching this video, I can honestly say that when they were talking about a Star Trek Online being a failed MMO, it was in reference to Perpetual, who failed to even build an alpha for the game. They don't really have much to worry about beyond a little bit of a bump to a few seconds of gameplay shown of the game that was created.

    True enough, but it was only as an explanation for why Perpetual's other MMO failed. Instead of using actual gameplay of Perpetual's gameplay which doesn't exist, they used Cryptic's gameplay. When you have Cryptic's version of Star Trek Online in a failed MMO video and have "Did we miss any notably disappointing MMOs?" while STO gameplay is being shown is definitely a way to influence certain people into believing that STO is a failed and disappointing MMO. Although, most of the comments seem to be about City of Heroes not belonging on that list or their nostalgia for it.
  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,708 Arc User
    STO is called half backed as one of two titles by perpetual, but is itself not mentioned as a failed MMO.

    The Mojo lists are only laughs and giggles though and not something to take serious.
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  • freightstopperfreightstopper Member Posts: 232 Arc User
    If you rate the game based on it's IP then yeah, it's a complete failure.

    No exploration and I do NOT consider a railroad 'story' about a temporal cold war, which oddly enough is filled with fights, is in no way exploring time, in any sense of the word.

    The only diplomatic missions are for Federation characters and then there are only two of them which you have to go out of your way to actually find.

    You do get to meet strange, new lifeforms... and then shoot them until they are all dead.

    Only anomalies are the Tyken's rifts, Grav Wells etc dropped by players onto some poor SoB.

    So for a 'game' that is supposedly based on Star Trek, which was all about the storylines, both arcing and character, and avoiding wars by getting people talking to each other, up until DS9 at least, this game is nothing like the shows (except DS9 with its 'war') at all.

    WoW has plenty of storylines, factional ones, racial ones, character ones, over arcing ones, ones that link up eventually and make more sense the more of the previous arcs you learn about.

    STO has just this massive 'everyone will be a Fed in a couple of hundred years so lets get them as Feds now' mentality that, personally, gives me no incentive to play at all.
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  • emacsheadroomemacsheadroom Member Posts: 994 Arc User
    Anyone else remember Jumpgate Evolution? I remember when they made a game trailer with the audacity to shit on Eve Online less than a year before they folded before even launching.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    Anyone else remember Jumpgate Evolution? I remember when they made a game trailer with the audacity to shit on Eve Online less than a year before they folded before even launching.
    Heard about it.... Kinda puzzled as to why they folded...
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  • itpalgitpalg Member Posts: 340 Arc User
    Did they at least mention Star Gate Worlds? Now THAT was a failed MMO!

    I have alpha screenshots still of my time in that, currently on my Photobucket account.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    itpalg wrote: »
    Did they at least mention Star Gate Worlds? Now THAT was a failed MMO!
    I have alpha screenshots still of my time in that, currently on my Photobucket account.
    got link?

    how did that play? I didn't even hear about it until after it was to late to get on the beta.
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  • emacsheadroomemacsheadroom Member Posts: 994 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    Anyone else remember Jumpgate Evolution? I remember when they made a game trailer with the audacity to shit on Eve Online less than a year before they folded before even launching.
    Heard about it.... Kinda puzzled as to why they folded...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1BajJ5Wyvo

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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    No exploration and I do NOT consider a railroad 'story' about a temporal cold war, which oddly enough is filled with fights, is in no way exploring time, in any sense of the word.

    Right now. But the game launched with and maintained an exploration system for YEARS.
    The only diplomatic missions are for Federation characters and then there are only two of them which you have to go out of your way to actually find.

    Again, that is only right now. The game had a much deeper Diplomacy system. And even right now, diplomacy is an entire tree in the Duty Officer mini-game, so there's a bunch of so-called "missions" to do diplomacy.
    You do get to meet strange, new lifeforms... and then shoot them until they are all dead.

    I've never shot a single Deferi.
    Only anomalies are the Tyken's rifts, Grav Wells etc dropped by players onto some poor SoB.

    In the crafting system, those are all anomalies that you access and then coordinate the wavelengths to.

    Your bullet points are off. The game does and/or did provide each one of those things. Your overall criticism might be a-ok, but saying for example the game has no anomalies when it's filled with them, is a little off.

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  • d0nomegad0nomega Member Posts: 202 Arc User
    Did they mention Star Wars Galaxies? lol
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