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Why do you let us pay for the same ship twice? Just because so we are able to use it on the console version doesnt mean that we shoulod pay twice for it. Its like Buying a Car, then geting a garage gifted from the Cardealership, and then being forced to buy the same car again just to be able to put the car in that garage.
That is fraud plain and simple.
But hey, when the Big Banks are geting away with it, decades in and out ... ;)

Again, you can connect ARC with our Gamertags (Which is broken on this game, btw) so you would be able to let the game check for purhcases that we made. But no!
Insted you "gracieously" gift us with the TOS pack which i allready own, since 4 Years now!
But my Oddy, Dreadnought, Exceslior... and even the expensive Temporal ships, which i bought from you with the begining of your TOS Special, are lost to my console version.
Is this realy just because you cant write a little App, that takes care about that simple issue?
Thanks, but no thanks!
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  • anodynesanodynes Member Posts: 1,999 Arc User
    bjornfried wrote: »
    Why do you let us pay for the same ship twice? Just because so we are able to use it on the console version doesnt mean that we shoulod pay twice for it. Its like Buying a Car, then geting a garage gifted from the Cardealership, and then being forced to buy the same car again just to be able to put the car in that garage.
    That is fraud plain and simple.
    But hey, when the Big Banks are geting away with it, decades in and out ... ;)

    Again, you can connect ARC with our Gamertags (Which is broken on this game, btw) so you would be able to let the game check for purhcases that we made. But no!
    Insted you "gracieously" gift us with the TOS pack which i allready own, since 4 Years now!
    But my Oddy, Dreadnought, Exceslior... and even the expensive Temporal ships, which i bought from you with the begining of your TOS Special, are lost to my console version.
    Is this realy just because you cant write a little App, that takes care about that simple issue?
    Thanks, but no thanks!

    No, this is like buying a game for your PC, then buying it on a console and expecting all of the DLCs that you bought on the PC to also be available on the console.
    This is an MMO, not a Star Trek episode simulator. That would make for a terrible game.
  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,919 Arc User
    They clearly said that purchases don't transfer from PC to Console or vice versa.

    Just because you didn't read it, doesn't mean it's 'fraud.'

    Like it or not, this is how it works with most games. If you bought Fallout 4 for the PC and wanted to play it on your XBox, guess what? You would have to re-purchase the game. There is no fraud or false advertising involved, just a lack of attention on your part.

    I'm not saying I like it, yes.. I would prefer to have access to all my purchases on the XBox version, but I wasn't surprised at all when that didn't happen.
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  • gonaliusgonalius Member Posts: 893 Arc User
    Except if you so wanted you could play the console version at the same time as the C one. So it's like having two separate identical cars.
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  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
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    really.... this meme will never die so long as STO forums live
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,919 Arc User
    bjornfried wrote: »
    . Again, dont jump to theyr suport they can do that part allone. As long as they makes us pay twice for the very same item its fraud. Which they do.

    Ok, you obviously don't know the definition of Fraud, so I'm going to help you out..

    Fraud - Noun - wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain.

    The key word there is 'deception.'

    Cryptic is not advertising that purchases transfer from one version to the next, in fact they have explicitly said that they don't. Throw a tantrum all you want, but it's not fraud.

    Just because you don't like something, doesn't make it illegal.
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,865 Arc User
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    You know what is installed on your PC? A game client. Notice that it was GBs of download not just a link to a browser page?

    It's not a "pure" online game like Farmville. You bought an item for PC, you can still use that item on your PC. You need to buy another copy of that item for your separate console account if you want to use that item on your separate console account.

    Would it be nice if Cryptic could afford to offer free cross-system play with a single shared account? Sure it would. But there is no legal obligation for that to happen and if you look at this for example you will see the games are currently quite different:

    http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10142423-star-trek-online-console-differences
  • kjfettkjfett Member Posts: 370 Arc User
    @bjornfried the PC game and console game are clearly not the same thing. Many of the ships on the Cstore in PC aren't even available on the console side and that is just the start of the many differences between the two. The console version was merely a way for them to get a slightly watered down version of the game out there for console players...to build their ranks. It was not so that you can transfer over and take all your gear. They made it clear from the get go that would not be the case.
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,919 Arc User
    You know what is installed on your PC? A game client. Notice that it was GBs of download not just a link to a browser page?

    It's not a "pure" online game like Farmville. You bought an item for PC, you can still use that item on your PC. You need to buy another copy of that item for your separate console account if you want to use that item on your separate console account.

    Would it be nice if Cryptic could afford to offer free cross-system play with a single shared account? Sure it would. But there is no legal obligation for that to happen and if you look at this for example you will see the games are currently quite different:

    http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10142423-star-trek-online-console-differences

    Exactly.

    When they released the console version of the game, it's not like they removed the PC version. Everything you bought on the PC version is still right where you left it.
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  • anodynesanodynes Member Posts: 1,999 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    bjornfried wrote: »
    anodynes wrote: »
    bjornfried wrote: »
    Why do you let us pay for the same ship twice? Just because so we are able to use it on the console version doesnt mean that we shoulod pay twice for it. Its like Buying a Car, then geting a garage gifted from the Cardealership, and then being forced to buy the same car again just to be able to put the car in that garage.
    That is fraud plain and simple.
    But hey, when the Big Banks are geting away with it, decades in and out ... ;)

    Again, you can connect ARC with our Gamertags (Which is broken on this game, btw) so you would be able to let the game check for purhcases that we made. But no!
    Insted you "gracieously" gift us with the TOS pack which i allready own, since 4 Years now!
    But my Oddy, Dreadnought, Exceslior... and even the expensive Temporal ships, which i bought from you with the begining of your TOS Special, are lost to my console version.
    Is this realy just because you cant write a little App, that takes care about that simple issue?
    Thanks, but no thanks!

    No, this is like buying a game for your PC, then buying it on a console and expecting all of the DLCs that you bought on the PC to also be available on the console.

    No its not! When i buy agame on my Pc and suddenly a console version is produced. That game would be a completly new one.This here is a pure online game which only works when you actualy are online. Thats a big diference. And the Zen Store Is accesable on both sides. There is no reason for blocking me out from my purchases. Again, dont jump to theyr suport they can do that part allone. As long as they makes us pay twice for the very same item its fraud. Which they do.

    Yes, it is. If you buy Fallout 4 for both PC and console, it's the same game, just on different platforms, but if you buy the DLC on one platform, you don't get it on the other. That isn't fraud, and neither is this. This isn't me defending their decision to not link purchases from one platform to another, it's me pointing out the flaw in your argument. You got what you paid for when bought items for the PC version, expecting them to be there on the console versions, which are segregated from the PC versions in essentially every way, especially when you were told in advance that it would be that way is just stubborn refusal to accept reality.

    One word destroys your, "It's a completely online game, so it's totally different." argument: Destiny. You can buy Destiny for PS4 and XBox One. Destiny is entirely an online game where the servers for each platform do not interact. You can buy a DLC for one of the platforms and you will not get it on the other. Your argument is invalid in every sense.
    This is an MMO, not a Star Trek episode simulator. That would make for a terrible game.
  • kjfettkjfett Member Posts: 370 Arc User
    I'm curious who deleted the OP's PC account and forced him to play on console.
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  • hugin1205hugin1205 Member Posts: 489 Arc User
    paying twice for the same ship? Like regular Zen one, fleet Version and then a year later the T6 Version and T6 fleet Version? Noooo this would never happen...
    18 characters
    KDF: 2 tacs, 2 engs, 3 scis
    KDF Roms: 3 tacs, 1 eng, 1 scis
    FED: 2 tacs, 1 eng, 2 scis
    TOS: 1 tac
    all on T5 rep (up to temporal)
    all have mastered Intel tree (and some more specs Points)
    highest DPS: 60.982
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  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,284 Arc User
    hey mods, maybe it's time to give the OP a little forum vacation, considering pretty much every post he's ever made has been whining and moaning of some variety, to say nothing of repeated insults and other general rule-breaking against other forumites​​
    Like special weapons from other Star Trek games? Wondering if they can be replicated in STO even a little bit? Check this out: https://forum.arcgames.com/startrekonline/discussion/1262277/a-mostly-comprehensive-guide-to-star-trek-videogame-special-weapons-and-their-sto-equivalents

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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,865 Arc User
    bjornfried wrote: »
    kjfett wrote: »
    I'm curious who deleted the OP's PC account and forced him to play on console.
    Dont be a ****. OK? Its not helpful to deny the issue at hand.
    Characters and items, are transfearable between different versions of other videogames and even if there is a seperate server for them, via linking the accounts, you open up a Barndoorwide acces, for any halfways skilled programmer, to do something about it.
    Without ripping of Lifetime subs and old-costumers, which spend hundreds of dollars, to suport the game and keep it alive.
    Its just the infamous, uncreativity of the DEVs that prevents that. Its either that or Greed. Anything else is just a bunch of illogical excuses that arent even plausible anymore. Its 2016 and not 1995. It is possible!


    You might read through one of the many, many existing threads about account transfers. There are many,
  • kjfettkjfett Member Posts: 370 Arc User
    bjornfried wrote: »
    kjfett wrote: »
    I'm curious who deleted the OP's PC account and forced him to play on console.
    Dont be a ****. OK? Its not helpful to deny the issue at hand.
    Characters and items, are transfearable between different versions of other videogames and even if there is a seperate server for them, via linking the accounts, you open up a Barndoorwide acces, for any halfways skilled programmer, to do something about it.
    Without ripping of Lifetime subs and old-costumers, which spend hundreds of dollars, to suport the game and keep it alive.
    Its just the infamous, uncreativity of the DEVs that prevents that. Its either that or Greed. Anything else is just a bunch of illogical excuses that arent even plausible anymore. Its 2016 and not 1995. It is possible!


    I believe the one here in denial is you. Cryptic clearly set out expectations. You are arguing against them. Case closed.
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  • nightkennightken Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    bjornfried wrote: »
    kjfett wrote: »
    I'm curious who deleted the OP's PC account and forced him to play on console.
    Dont be a ****. OK? Its not helpful to deny the issue at hand.
    Characters and items, are transfearable between different versions of other videogames and even if there is a seperate server for them, via linking the accounts, you open up a Barndoorwide acces, for any halfways skilled programmer, to do something about it.
    Without ripping of Lifetime subs and old-costumers, which spend hundreds of dollars, to suport the game and keep it alive.
    Its just the infamous, uncreativity of the DEVs that prevents that. Its either that or Greed. Anything else is just a bunch of illogical excuses that arent even plausible anymore. Its 2016 and not 1995. It is possible!


    alright. how can they transfer my command 3 pack and Kolasi. when these things do not exist on consoles yet... which is a shame cause my only Nausicaan is on xbox.

    if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    I think he's more upset at the total lack of sympathy he generated... Presumably he only made this thread thinking there'd be a great outpouring of support and sympathy
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    tacofangs wrote: »
    STO isn't canon, and neither are any of the books.
  • kjfettkjfett Member Posts: 370 Arc User
    I think he's more upset at the total lack of sympathy he generated... Presumably he only made this thread thinking there'd be a great outpouring of support and sympathy

    Why would anyone expect that on the interwebs? Does he spend his whole day on r\aww and r\eyebleach?
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  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    kjfett wrote: »
    I think he's more upset at the total lack of sympathy he generated... Presumably he only made this thread thinking there'd be a great outpouring of support and sympathy

    Why would anyone expect that on the interwebs? Does he spend his whole day on r\aww and r\eyebleach?

    never under estimate the human capacity for stupidity
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    tacofangs wrote: »
    STO isn't canon, and neither are any of the books.
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  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    This issue has been brought up many time and it has also been posted many times that Cryptic's primary intent for STO console was to reach an untapped player base. That was the primary goal for the development of the console version.

    Steve Ricossa, EP of STO, stated (and has been quoted many times) that if PC players want to play STO on the console, they will need to do it with a new account and data from the PC account will not transfer over to the console account, or vice versa.

    That was a management decision and it is public information. You do not have to play STO console. If you want to play STO console, then that is your choice and one of the consequences of that choice is to give up whatever you purchased for the PC version.

    You make not like that decision, but it is definitely not fraud.
  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    valoreah wrote: »
    It's people of the entitlement generation.

    Maybe... I'm goin with stupid tho.. I mean he calls fraud on something clearly not fraud, whines about something Cryptic told us months before console launch.... There is 'feeling entitled' and then there's just plain dumb.
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    tacofangs wrote: »
    STO isn't canon, and neither are any of the books.
  • anodynesanodynes Member Posts: 1,999 Arc User
    bjornfried wrote: »
    For the smartasses and doupters that "think" "Daads nuuhd possible...duuuuh"
    Rockstars does that all the time, with GTA Online
    https://support.rockstargames.com/hc/de/articles/202892778-Übertragung-der-bisherigen-Charaktere-und-Fortschritte-aus-Grand-Theft-Auto-Online-auf-PlayStation-4-Xbox-One-oder-PC
    If you cant read german... Im shure they have it in eglish to. Every item, achievements and charackters are transferable.


    Make it so!

    A game with no DLC does it, so a game with DLC should do it, and carry over your DLC. Got it.
    This is an MMO, not a Star Trek episode simulator. That would make for a terrible game.
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,865 Arc User
    I'd be more sympathetic if OP hadn't wandered into General Discussion, ignored the 20+ existing threads on this subject, then created an entitlement thread throwing out nonsense about "fraud."
  • anodynesanodynes Member Posts: 1,999 Arc User
    "I own a home and have cars, appliances, a lawnmower, etc. that I have bought for that home. Now my parents passed away and left me the vacation cottage in another state. I want to use both and have all of the the same things in both, since it is not feasible to transport everything between the 2 homes every time I go from one to the other. Since I now have to buy everything again for the cottage, my parents committed fraud on me somehow by leaving me the cottage."

    There's your argument's analogy, OP.
    This is an MMO, not a Star Trek episode simulator. That would make for a terrible game.
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