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I feel like Federation is the "correct" way to play this game.

I see why over 70% of the players are Federation.

I'm not very far yet in the Fed story, but it just feels like Fed side is the way the Devs intended you to play, and how the game was clearly designed. Klingon and Romulan feel kinda just tacked on top of it haphazardly.

the game just feels more complete overall as a Fed. the little things and details seems more fleshed out, with more love put into them, than the Romulan/Klingon sides.

the overwhelming focus on the Fed side compared to the others is fairly obvious. The Feds flat out have MORE of everything, and it is all better done, with more detail and care.

so outside of just really liking the way Warbirds look or just wanting to be Worf, why wouldn't you play Federation? you know?
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  • jaymadiv#8056 jaymadiv Member Posts: 55 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    Is it really surprising that the Federation, which was the focused of ALL the TV shows and movies have tons more content then races that were the focus of NONE of the TV shows and movies?

    no, but I'm wondering why they even bothered making the other factions at all if they were gonna half-TRIBBLE it in comparison to the Federation.

    especially since the Federation is the focus of ALL the TV shows and Movies, and the other faction were the focus of NONE of thw TV shows and movies.
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  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    Because Romulans and Klingons are very popular races amongst the fans and cryptic wanted our cash... so they threw out some half assed attempts to cash in. Honestly if you play the Romulan story its the best written of the 3, even if you hate what they did with the Romulans as a fraction. If you think the Klingon one is substandard now, you should have seen it before.
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    tacofangs wrote: »
    STO isn't canon, and neither are any of the books.
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,865 Arc User
    I disagree. Cryptic listened to the fans and added a full KDF level up story line that's quite good if you play it as a Klingon warrior (as opposed to the other races).

    But the results in terms of players and player purchases were apparently not enough to support creating more KDF-only content that would cost just as much to make as cross-faction episodes but would only be played by a small fraction.

    So cross-faction is what we get now for new episodes. It's what the F2P model will support.
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  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    The problem with that is its a circular drain of failure.... Cryptic released a half assed Klingon faction that the main gecko in cryptic calls "monster play" and a glop of half-assed to decent ships.... then they're shocked not many play it.... so spend less on developing it.... so less play it... so they spend less on developing it. The only reason the Klingon faction is as well put together as it is right now is because SOME came in on their OWN TIME to expand things into a full faction with the Romulan fraction.

    Again with the Romulans, they steal the Star Wars meta plot, turn everything RSE into two-dimensional cartoon ham villains, throw up this Republic garbage, and a single line of a few ships. On top of that they ram Tovan down your throat and force you to play his story. Then *shocked gasp* people didn't pay so much, and fewer played it. WOW I mean when you don't give Romulan fans what they want and only a handful of c-store options, who would guess they don't spend much and don't play much. Plus lets face it they just got bloody lazy with the Ha'nom and Ha'feh. But we end up with the same situation as the Klingons, they didn't make a ton of money and fewer played so less development, so they make less money and fewer play so less development.

    They never really tried to give either faction a fair shot. They could have, but chose not to. They could even have developed both factions uniquely and still guided events to a shared point like we have now. But considering they cannot be bothered to even add faction flavor to the shared content, beyond the odd 'qa'plap' or 'jolan'tru' it's fairly safe to guess they just don't even want to try.
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    tacofangs wrote: »
    STO isn't canon, and neither are any of the books.
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,865 Arc User
    Opinions, we all have them. I think the Romulan stories were well done myself, and "they steal the Star Wars meta plot" applies more to Star Wars itself :)

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  • kjfettkjfett Member Posts: 370 Arc User
    By the time the factions hit what lvl30 or lvl40 thereabouts, they are essentially the same with different skins anyway. All playing the same mission lines. All playing the same ships with different skins for the same reputation. I agree that the devs give more focus to the feds and many of the stories tend to favor their side, but by the time we are ranked up, there really isn't one side or the other but all sides against common enemies.

    My first KDF alt was created back when it was a 1/2 faction and the reason I don't play that captain regularly is the same reason I don't play many of the other captains I've leveled. I have a main and there is little point in putting energy into an alt that could be focused instead on a main. I still log them and the Romulan in to do daily tasks and they have good T6 ships.

    I guess my point is...if your main is a KDF or Romulan and you are lvl60, like my main...I really don't think overall play is any different for either of us....so I don't think the statement the OP led with in his title is entirely accurate.
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  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    Opinions, we all have them. I think the Romulan stories were well done myself, and "they steal the Star Wars meta plot" applies more to Star Wars itself :)
    Again, I've said it many times, they are some of the best written missions in STO even if you hate the direction they took Romulans. I do agree epVII did the same thing cryptic did.

    They never really tried to give either faction a fair shot.
    This is a stupid argument.

    The original release of Star Trek Online was a rushed mess due to Cryptic being handed the project and being told they had to make the game in a time span far shorter then basically any MMO gets. Even the Federation content sucked at launch.

    But since then, especially with LoR, they threw a lot of really cool stuff at the Klingons, especially the Fek'ihri arc, which is easily one of the best arcs in the game.

    And still no one plays them because people don't watch Star Trek for the Klingons,. they watch it for the Feds, so the Feds always will have more players.

    Thats great, I don't bash them for having a rushed launch... But they have literally had YEARS to flesh out, develop, and improve things but have CHOSEN not to. The biggest expansion the KDF ever got was because some of the Developers came in FOR FREE and did things on THEIR OWN TIME because gecko and the powers that be WOULD NOT do it. Check your own argument before claiming mine is stupid
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    tacofangs wrote: »
    STO isn't canon, and neither are any of the books.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    The problem is not that there is a correct way to play. The problem is the source material. Star Trek has always been Fed centric. Star Trek will always be Fed centric in one form or another. Its easier to make a Star Wars MMO because you have two equally represented factions in pretty much any time period you choose. Star Trek... doesn't have that. The Federation gets the spotlight, and other factions make appearances based on the needs of the story.

    So frankly... its not the fault of the Devs at all. The source material just has so much to draw from for one faction over anything else. And they can't use materials that were used in other games, which means they have to do research into ship designs to make sure they aren't accidentially using something someone else used, like the Fek'ilhr class from Armada 2 or the Shrike from SFC3.
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  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    edited September 2016
    Can't completely agree there rattler, part of the point of RPG games is to EXPAND what is already there. "I am playing X and I want to go down that dark road over there." Perhaps the GM hasn't mapped that, but that's the joy of an RPG, going off the beaten path to see whats not on the map. Despite some crazy people howling that Cryptic should never be allowed to expand on Trek unless they are re-treading things from episodes. There is plenty for them to use as a base to expand upon, they did a good job with completely unseen assets like the Klingon Academy area and First City. Both feel Klingon and appropriate. They took a bit of fluff from some novels and built the Romulan Republic, even while at the same time turning everything RSE into a caricature of itself. They have shown they can do a rather good job at building things, they simply choose to not do them.

    And yeah the BS legalities of not being able to use assets from other games or things that look too close is an obnoxious hurdle for any established IP made into a game. But until someone attacks those archaic laws in court we're stuck there.
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    tacofangs wrote: »
    STO isn't canon, and neither are any of the books.
  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    I'm fine with the factions as they currently exist. I think it'd be cool to have more for them, but I'm pretty happy with the romulans and KDF, and would happily welcome additional factions no matter what form they end up taking.

    If the choice is a faction that absolutely must be on par with the Federation and no additional factions at all, I'll take what I can get instead of not having anything at all.​​
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  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    edited September 2016
    Thats great, I don't bash them for having a rushed launch... But they have literally had YEARS to flesh out, develop, and improve things but have CHOSEN not to. The biggest expansion the KDF ever got was because some of the Developers came in FOR FREE and did things on THEIR OWN TIME because gecko and the powers that be WOULD NOT do it. Check your own argument before claiming mine is stupid
    And they did flesh them out. We now have story arcs dealing with
    -The war with the Federation
    -The Internal struggles of the Great Houses
    -Klingon mythology including Kahless, the Sword of Kahless, Grethor, and the Fek'ihri

    On top of that, the Klingons have been a major part of the last few arcs. Hell, the Iconian War arc was basically nothing but the Romulans and Klingon's show, with the Feds being just people the Roms and Klinks towed around with them.

    Klinks and roms have also gotten their own version of every specialty ships, including Intel, Command, and Pilot ships.

    At this point, the only part of Klingon lore left unexplored is the Hur'q, and thats likely going ot be taken care of in a Gamma quadrant expansion.
    Yeah they were fleshed out unofficially because they WERE NOT GOING TO BE OFFICIALLY. You keep ignoring that part. The people that gave us that extra stuff did not get paid because Cryptic was not going to do it.

    And what the hell are you smoking regarding the Iconian War???? That's so much BS as to not be worth responding to further.

    Ok if we have everything the feds have, where's my T6 Carrier in the cash shop? For either klink or Rom. Wheres my t6 Sci ship for either? Thats just two big examples.
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    tacofangs wrote: »
    STO isn't canon, and neither are any of the books.
  • jaymadiv#8056 jaymadiv Member Posts: 55 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    I just want to say, for clarification, that my Fed character is my 3rd one. my first is Reman(Tactical), my 2nd is Romulan(Science). I wanted to make one of each Career Path, and then decide which to Main.

    I'm just starting on PS4 and I admittedly have not gotten very far in either story (level 18 in Romulan, just starting out on Fed).

    I'm just expressing the impressions I get from the tutorials and early game. it just feels to me like the Feds got waaay more attention to detail.

    i'm not arguing whether it is actually justified or right or wrong, just making an observation as a new-ish player.
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,865 Arc User
    Y'know, if you hate everything about STO . . . .

    can I haz ur stuffs?
  • jaymadiv#8056 jaymadiv Member Posts: 55 Arc User
    Y'know, if you hate everything about STO . . . .

    can I haz ur stuffs?

    but...I don't?
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  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    jmadfour wrote: »
    I just want to say, for clarification, that my Fed character is my 3rd one. my first is Reman(Tactical), my 2nd is Romulan(Science). I wanted to make one of each Career Path, and then decide which to Main.

    I'm just starting on PS4 and I admittedly have not gotten very far in either story (level 18 in Romulan, just starting out on Fed).

    I'm just expressing the impressions I get from the tutorials and early game. it just feels to me like the Feds got waaay more attention to detail.

    i'm not arguing whether it is justified or right or wrong, just making an observation as a new-ish player.

    I think you'll find the Romulan arc quite fulfilling by the time you end it, I still enjoy it more than the new(current) Federation early arc.
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    tacofangs wrote: »
    STO isn't canon, and neither are any of the books.
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,865 Arc User
    jmadfour wrote: »
    Y'know, if you hate everything about STO . . . .

    can I haz ur stuffs?

    but...I don't?

    I was replying to the non-stop venom in kodachikuno's posts not to you.

  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    jmadfour wrote: »
    Y'know, if you hate everything about STO . . . .

    can I haz ur stuffs?

    but...I don't?

    I was replying to the non-stop venom in kodachikuno's posts not to you.

    I'm arguing on a specific point, not the whole of STO, but nice try.
    Except its not unofficial, as it was officialy released, as part of the official game, by the official devs, as official content.

    You can try to push the
    >LE UNOFFICAL!
    Meme as much as you want, but that doesn't make it not a meme.

    Did you miss House Pegh?
    Did you miss how it was a Klingon leading the fleets and ordering everyone around the whole arc?
    Did you miss how it was a Klingon that got us to spare the Iconians?
    Klingons basically RULED the Iconian War arc.


    I never said Klingons had everything the Feds do, so that's a straw man right there. that's also ignoring that they shouldn't have everything the Feds do for lore reasons.
    Meme doesn't mean what you seem to think it does btw.
    Klingons were originally the only ones with Carriers and thus should have gotten it first, if not been the ONLY faction with it, much like other things the Feds have recently gotten that used to be part of what little faction differential we had.
    But I see the core issue here... you're an idiot and not worth responding to at all. So bye, done with you.
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    tacofangs wrote: »
    STO isn't canon, and neither are any of the books.
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  • Need to be able to team freely. (not just accidentally for stf's either) I mean boots on planet/station/ship story questing. Clearly not the first chapters but pretty much everything after that is the same either side you play it from.

    That is the best and biggest update my fav KDF toons can possibly hope for -so I can play them with my friends who prefer Fed aesthetics. Also some costume love- tho the recent stuff was nice... especially the shoulder pad fixes. :)
  • f9thretxcf9thretxc Member Posts: 505 Arc User
    iconians wrote: »
    I'm fine with the factions as they currently exist. I think it'd be cool to have more for them, but I'm pretty happy with the romulans and KDF, and would happily welcome additional factions no matter what form they end up taking.

    If the choice is a faction that absolutely must be on par with the Federation and no additional factions at all, I'll take what I can get instead of not having anything at all.

    I believe you was around at the early start of the game as well, in which we had to PvP up to level 20 or so with the KDF. It was fun, but I'm not sure such a thing would be viable now even at low level. (Please note , I am not making a statement about the current form of PvP, but just reminiscing. )​​
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    Without all the power creep and knowing how to build alpha strikers or ultimate machines of destruction...

    PvP can be decent. The last decent duel I had in Ker'rat was actually against someone who wasn't built for PvP. It was cruiser on cruiser, and it was less about sheer damage and more about abilities and timing of said abilities. I actually had fun.

    I don't find being on the recieving end of a vape build fun.
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  • wylonuswylonus Member Posts: 471 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    let me put this way, sorry if my english is bad, since i am deaf.

    first of all, if anyone remember when STO first launched, everyone had to play feds until 10th level to unlock playable klingon captians.

    many actors/actoress dont like putting the make-ups or use silicon foams, years later they became toxic to skins, remember Virgina Hey? she played blue skin alien in Farscape series, she was fine until 2-3 years later, her skin get infected, forcing her to quit.
    Zeldina Zoe as new Uhara for rebooted/alternate star trek, she said when she played in other movie as Gomora for Gaurdians of Galaxy, she really hated those green body paint, she tried scrub it off in shower, took longer than she expected, and when she woke up, bed sheet was covered in green stains, and her little dog got some stains, she is not stranger with body dyes, she also played in Avatar.

    even Van Damme, he known for split-leg stunts, played as french legionnare and "Cyborgs", once dress as Predator, the alien trophy hunter, he complained about the suit he wearing, he wasnt a big star yet, at that time, he got fired half-way and replaced in middle of filming.

    ok, back to game topic, it is easier for dev team with human artframe for online games, making other faction alien races take more time and involving different "skeletonal frameworks", working on human frame save them lot of time, since it is universal frame for most online games, and working on non-human take more time, and often they get some uniforms or armors clipped or other bugs.
  • alcyoneserenealcyoneserene Member Posts: 2,414 Arc User
    jmadfour wrote: »
    so outside of just really liking the way Warbirds look or just wanting to be Worf, why wouldn't you play Federation? you know?

    You have got to be kidding me.
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