How big is the Daedalus-class?

psycoticvulcan

I'm writing a Foundry mission set in the 22nd century and I'd been treating the Daedalus as a new cruiser introduced during the Romulan War. But according to Memory Beta, it's apparently an older design that's barely half as long as the NX-class! I'll probably ignore the age for the sake of my story, but the size is a bigger problem if confirmed. Has anyone compared the Daedalus and NX-class size-wise in-game?

rattler2

I'm more inclined to believe that she was introduced after the NX class myself. She shares a couple features seen on later designs. And frankly, I can see her fitting in with the Romulan War era Starfleet, especially if given NX style warp field grills on the inside of her nacelles.

As to size... I don't think STO is a good judge of scale. I mean my Vesta's Yellowstone Runabouts were about as big as my fleet leader's Defiant. Gameplay purposes make scale wonky.

drakethewhite

psycoticvulcan wrote: »

I'm writing a Foundry mission set in the 22nd century and I'd been treating the Daedalus as a new cruiser introduced during the Romulan War. But according to Memory Beta, it's apparently an older design that's barely half as long as the NX-class! I'll probably ignore the age for the sake of my story, but the size is a bigger problem if confirmed. Has anyone compared the Daedalus and NX-class size-wise in-game?

It's supposed to be as you describe, but I doubt any of that was canon. So STO made it a more advanced class than the Constitution.

Such joy. IMO it should have been the T1 ship, drop the rest of the line by a tier and put the Connie at T5. But clearly that would have been too cool and Cryptic opted for what we have.

I don't really know about the size as I haven't seen any of these in game yet to compare. I'll be interested in the answer as well.

psycoticvulcan

rattler2 wrote: »

As to size... I don't think STO is a good judge of scale. I mean my Vesta's Yellowstone Runabouts were about as big as my fleet leader's Defiant. Gameplay purposes make scale wonky.

I agree, but it's just going to look weird if we have NX-class frigates getting overpowered by tiny cruisers they're shadowing. :P

skullblits

why can't I ask ask a question? I need help

seriousxeno

According to Memory Alpha, the NX had a length of 225 meters and the Connie (original config) was at 289 meters.

All they have on the Daedalus is that it supposedly has a crew complement of around 229 crew members.

I would estimate for the Daedalus to be somewhere in between the two ships in size. ~240 meters sounds about right to me.

emacsheadroom

psycoticvulcan

emacsheadroom wrote: »

Interesting... I didn't realize the Connie was that similar in size to the NX.

I guess I can rationalize the Daedalus' smaller size with more advanced tech, but still, it's a bit weird to have a cruiser that's half the size of a frigate.

Thanks for the help.

rattler2

If we use this picture as a reference, while it may appear the Daedalus is smaller than the NX... we have to consider where the crew is. The NX has no secondary hull, so all her mass is going to be in the saucer. The Daedalus has a secondary hull, and that sphere "saucer" section. Means they don't have to build everything into one area of the ship.

artan42

About 150m in order for the sphere to have any usuable volume at all.

angrytarg

I think it's odd that people always compare the length of something, in this case Starships. But the length doesn't say anything about size, really. Mass and volume is much more important.​​

emacsheadroom

Fanmade deck plans of Daedalus. Please note that the plans assume that the internal volume of Daedalus could only support a regular crew of 100.

mustrumridcully0

drakethewhite wrote: »

psycoticvulcan wrote: »

I'm writing a Foundry mission set in the 22nd century and I'd been treating the Daedalus as a new cruiser introduced during the Romulan War. But according to Memory Beta, it's apparently an older design that's barely half as long as the NX-class! I'll probably ignore the age for the sake of my story, but the size is a bigger problem if confirmed. Has anyone compared the Daedalus and NX-class size-wise in-game?

It's supposed to be as you describe, but I doubt any of that was canon. So STO made it a more advanced class than the Constitution.

The Deadelus in STO is a Temporal ship, though. Even the Tier 2 version.

smokebailey

Trek Yards on YT made a Daedalus episode, check it out
https://youtube.com/watch?v=UMdFEDlv9i8

mustrumridcully0

angrytarg wrote: »

I think it's odd that people always compare the length of something, in this case Starships. But the length doesn't say anything about size, really. Mass and volume is much more important.​​

Boys must be boys?

smokebailey

psycoticvulcan wrote: »

emacsheadroom wrote: »

Interesting... I didn't realize the Connie was that similar in size to the NX.

I guess I can rationalize the Daedalus' smaller size with more advanced tech, but still, it's a bit weird to have a cruiser that's half the size of a frigate.

Thanks for the help.

In A mirror darkly, both ships are flying next to each other, and one can make out the sizes, more or less. I'm gonna say it's the same length as a Miranda or something.

psycoticvulcan

emacsheadroom wrote: »

Fanmade deck plans of Daedalus. Please note that the plans assume that the internal volume of Daedalus could only support a regular crew of 100.

Very useful, thanks! Although according to "Power Play", the USS Essex had a crew of 229. That would imply a much larger interior than the NX-class, which I guess is represented by the sphere. Still, the NX is a very wide ship and it only accommodates 83 crew.

Also, I really want that "conjectural" 22nd-century design in the game.

eldarion79

Well given that Cage Enterprise had 243 crewmembers, I dont think crew size can really be an indicator of how large a ship is. I imagine once the Romulan War started the NX's crew complement shot up due to needing more for damage control, more crewmembers needed to be manning the ship at combat ready a lot more.

rattler2

psycoticvulcan wrote: »

Very useful, thanks! Although according to "Power Play", the USS Essex had a crew of 229. That would imply a much larger interior than the NX-class, which I guess is represented by the sphere. Still, the NX is a very wide ship and it only accommodates 83 crew.

Also, I really want that "conjectural" 22nd-century design in the game.

Well... consider that pretty much EVERYTHING was in the saucer of an NX class. Crew quarters, shuttlebay, engineering, sickbay... everything. The addition of a secondary hull would free up space for crew facilities.

talonxv

Much like it's been shown Daedalus class has been revised to be bigger than the NX, but remember the NX is a very flat ship, while Daedalus has a lot more levels why she has a crew 3 times bigger.

psycoticvulcan

I just tested it in-game. It looks like the devs did indeed go with the 140m figure.

emacsheadroom

psycoticvulcan wrote: »

Very useful, thanks! Although according to "Power Play", the USS Essex had a crew of 229. That would imply a much larger interior than the NX-class, which I guess is represented by the sphere. Still, the NX is a very wide ship and it only accommodates 83 crew.

Also, I really want that "conjectural" 22nd-century design in the game.

The website also stated the ship could carry over 100 extra crew as specialists for specific missions, but not on a regular long duration mission. Also (amusingly), the article about Daedalus talks of how the whole ship class was overworked to the point of suffering more catastrophic warp core explosions than any other: starfleet-museum.org/daedalus.htm