It's so not fair I'm never gonna be able to get the t6 connie thanks to this stupid promo pack. Think I have opened about 80 R&D boxes and not a single ship came out this is the worst 50th anniversery of star trek ever.
Ouch. 80 boxes x 15 million EC (you could have sold them for) which is below the going rate = 1.2 billion EC. The ship is selling for 900M - 1 Billion right now. Keep this in mind next time.
When you see "TRIBBLE" in my posts, it's because I manually typed "TRIBBLE" and censored myself.
Ouch. 80 boxes x 15 million EC (you could have sold them for) which is below the going rate = 1.2 billion EC. The ship is selling for 900M - 1 Billion right now. Keep this in mind next time.
yeah but I can't find any in the exchange which is why I decided to open them instead :-(
Ouch. 80 boxes x 15 million EC (you could have sold them for) which is below the going rate = 1.2 billion EC. The ship is selling for 900M - 1 Billion right now. Keep this in mind next time.
yeah but I can't find any in the exchange which is why I decided to open them instead :-(
Private trades are how this occurs. It happens all the time in game.
When you see "TRIBBLE" in my posts, it's because I manually typed "TRIBBLE" and censored myself.
800 lobi puts you close to being able to purchase a T6 Lobi ship of your choice. 80 R&D boxes being sold at 1m each, additionally puts 80m EC in your pocket.
While the price of a T6 Lobi ship combined with 80m EC is well below the 900m-1b price the T6 Temporal Light Cruiser is currently (as of this posting) is going for, the market itself is rich with opportunities for someone who is tired of being the victim of economic forces.
By leveraging the EC you could make by liquidating your assets, and making some intelligent investment decisions in the exchange, you could make enough EC to buy your ship in a month or two, depending on your skill level.
See this as learning experience, you are only a failure if you make the conscious choice to give up instead of getting back up, dusting yourself off, and refusing to be a victim.
Ouch. 80 boxes x 15 million EC (you could have sold them for) which is below the going rate = 1.2 billion EC. The ship is selling for 900M - 1 Billion right now. Keep this in mind next time.
yeah but I can't find any in the exchange which is why I decided to open them instead :-(
Private trades are how this occurs. It happens all the time in game.
^^^ Salazarraze speaks the truth. The EC cap of 750 million on the exchange keeps these ships from showing up there. Since the price range is 900 million and up, you have to first get the EC together. Then you have to find a willing seller through private channels.
The advice I've been given is:
1- Be on the lookout at ESD for people talking about selling one. It forces you to sift through zone chat which is tiring, but there is some activity there.
2- Join the trade chat channel. You need an invite to that channel. I'm still not sure how to get on that channel. But there is activity going on there for this ship.
3- Let everyone you know, know that you are looking to buy. This is what I did. And after making a bit of noise on the forums here and in-game among people I play with, someone reached out to me (thank you!) and we made the transaction today.
Mission accomplished!
So don't give up.
This is really similar to trying to buy a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship back in the day. It's way more expensive than the exchange can handle, so it's a secondary market. After years of playing EQ, I wasn't daunted by trading with players avatar to avatar. It's how I used to get all kinds of stuff back before EQ created the bazaar.
hate to say it but the person who posted this thread is the reason cryptic keeps putting ships in the boxes. and for every person who posts a thread there are literally thousands who spend just as much but never bother posting about it. can you even imagine how much money they are making from people like the OP?
Its sound advice but falls apart if everyone took it and no one opened any boxes.
I'd love to hear your explanation on how it falls apart. You realize that you do sell those boxes to other people and not some virtual trash vendor right? Someone ends up opening them. And some of them will drop ships.
When you see "TRIBBLE" in my posts, it's because I manually typed "TRIBBLE" and censored myself.
Ouch. 80 boxes x 15 million EC (you could have sold them for) which is below the going rate = 1.2 billion EC. The ship is selling for 900M - 1 Billion right now. Keep this in mind next time.
yeah but I can't find any in the exchange which is why I decided to open them instead :-(
Private trades are how this occurs. It happens all the time in game.
^^^ Salazarraze speaks the truth. The EC cap of 750 million on the exchange keeps these ships from showing up there. Since the price range is 900 million and up, you have to first get the EC together. Then you have to find a willing seller through private channels.
The advice I've been given is:
1- Be on the lookout at ESD for people talking about selling one. It forces you to sift through zone chat which is tiring, but there is some activity there.
2- Join the trade chat channel. You need an invite to that channel. I'm still not sure how to get on that channel. But there is activity going on there for this ship.
3- Let everyone you know, know that you are looking to buy. This is what I did. And after making a bit of noise on the forums here and in-game among people I play with, someone reached out to me (thank you!) and we made the transaction today.
Mission accomplished!
So don't give up.
This is really similar to trying to buy a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship back in the day. It's way more expensive than the exchange can handle, so it's a secondary market. After years of playing EQ, I wasn't daunted by trading with players avatar to avatar. It's how I used to get all kinds of stuff back before EQ created the bazaar.
It makes me weirdly happy to know that you finally got your "real" endgame Constitution. Congratulations.
It also removes any bad conscience I had about knowing that I had it before you did, and I was never a big T6 Connie proponent.
(Just leaves teh bad concsience on spending a lot of money for this and the D7. And now I am still going to have to spend a lot to get the T'Liss.)
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
Its sound advice but falls apart if everyone took it and no one opened any boxes.
I'd love to hear your explanation on how it falls apart. You realize that you do sell those boxes to other people and not some virtual trash vendor right? Someone ends up opening them. And some of them will drop ships.
Ok here's how it falls apart if everyone followed that advice (It does need everyone to follow this advice) and bought the boxes put them on the exchange and no one was opening them there would be no ship for anyone to trade. Its only obtainable via opening these boxes right ? not purchasing the boxes ?
Its the most logical but illogical advice as for the advice to work you are reliant upon other players opening the boxes and not following this advice.
Which is very fortunate for people following this advice that not everyone is patient or has enough self control to follow it. Meaning someone somewhere in game is gambling on you're behalf for you to purchase off their good luck with RNG.
It just makes me chuckle seeing people post the don't gamble, sell and buy with EC, when someone has to gamble in order for the ship to be traded.
Its not wrong to advise a person of this, i'm just thinking the what if everyone decided to follow suit and no one gambled.
Its sound advice but falls apart if everyone took it and no one opened any boxes.
I'd love to hear your explanation on how it falls apart. You realize that you do sell those boxes to other people and not some virtual trash vendor right? Someone ends up opening them. And some of them will drop ships.
Ok here's how it falls apart if everyone followed that advice and bought the boxes put them on the exchange and no one was opening them there would be no ship for anyone to trade. Its only obtainable via opening these boxes right ? not purchasing the boxes ?
Its the most logical but illogical advice as for the advice to work you are reliant upon other players opening the boxes and not following this advice.
Which is very fortunate for people following this advice that not everyone is patient or has enough self control to follow it. Meaning someone somewhere in game is gambling on you're behalf for you to purchase off their good luck with RNG.
It just makes me chuckle seeing people post the don't gamble, sell and buy with EC, when someone has to gamble in order for the ship to be traded.
Its not wrong to advise a person of this, i'm just thinking the what if everyone decided to follow suit and no one gambled.
This statement is totally incorrect. There are plenty of players that never buy keys/promo boxes with zen. They only buy them on the exchange with EC. Your statement assumes that we are telling them to now start buying keys/promo boxes with zen and sell them on the exchange for EC? That ridiculous. No one is telling them to do that. They already have the EC to buy the keys and promo boxes and when they open them, some of them win ships.
When you see "TRIBBLE" in my posts, it's because I manually typed "TRIBBLE" and censored myself.
Its sound advice but falls apart if everyone took it and no one opened any boxes.
I'd love to hear your explanation on how it falls apart. You realize that you do sell those boxes to other people and not some virtual trash vendor right? Someone ends up opening them. And some of them will drop ships.
Ok here's how it falls apart if everyone followed that advice and bought the boxes put them on the exchange and no one was opening them there would be no ship for anyone to trade. Its only obtainable via opening these boxes right ? not purchasing the boxes ?
Its the most logical but illogical advice as for the advice to work you are reliant upon other players opening the boxes and not following this advice.
Which is very fortunate for people following this advice that not everyone is patient or has enough self control to follow it. Meaning someone somewhere in game is gambling on you're behalf for you to purchase off their good luck with RNG.
It just makes me chuckle seeing people post the don't gamble, sell and buy with EC, when someone has to gamble in order for the ship to be traded.
Its not wrong to advise a person of this, i'm just thinking the what if everyone decided to follow suit and no one gambled.
The reality is that people will gamble. It's human nature. We can hypothesis over what would happen if nobody ever gambled in STO till the servers shut down, but the plain and simple truth is that there are people in STO who have addictive personalities, and many of them fall for the Gambler's Fallacy.
Most people in STO just aren't that bright to begin with. So, to suggest that the "scheme" of buying and selling promo packs and keys on the exchange falls apart when people stop gambling altogether is like suggesting humanity itself will suddenly wake up one day and decide to stop being dumb. Could it happen? Sure. Are there many fictional accounts of that happening (including Star Trek)? Of course. But that's why it's fictional, and not reality.
If gamblers are inevitable (which they are), then the real question is who should be allowed to benefit from your fellow player? Cryptic? That goes without saying. We need Cryptic to continue developing and maintaining the game.
But, if Cryptic opens the door for fellow players to benefit off of the gambling addicts of the game, why shouldn't it be me? Or you? Or anyone else? If I have the opportunity to take advantage of somebody with more money than sense for my own personal benefit, you're damn right I will. If somebody is going to benefit from them regardless, well, why not me?
What I saying is the advice to buy with EC is logical but flawed IF everyone followed the same train of thought, Its just fortunate that doesn't happen.
The buy with EC only works if someone gambles and wins.
The point i'm trying to make is if no one gambles, no one wins, so no ship available.
I was analysing the statement in a cynical way. And a what if people all took the buy with EC advice and no one gambled by opening a box ?
The replies I've had does go to show that people don't follow the same train of thought, so the statement buy with EC does hold true.
Someone will gamble on the boxes allowing you to purchase it off them with EC.
Maybe I didn't communicate my WHAT IF scenario across very well or my dry cynical humor.
What I saying is the advice to buy with EC is logical but flawed IF everyone followed the same train of thought, Its just fortunate that doesn't happen.
The buy with EC only works if someone gambles and wins.
The point i'm trying to make is if no one gambles, no one wins, so no ship available.
I was analysing the statement in a cynical way. And a what if people all took the buy with EC advice and no one gambled by opening a box ?
The replies I've had does go to show that people don't follow the same train of thought, so the statement buy with EC does hold true.
Someone will gamble on the boxes allowing you to purchase it off them with EC.
Maybe I didn't communicate my WHAT IF scenario across very well or my dry cynical humor.
Well, of course. But to me it's like saying "Well, what if the sun doesn't rise tomorrow? We'd all get cold and die."
Gamblers will exist so long as the sun continues to rise every morning. I also admit I'm a hypocrit in this matter, as from a moral and ethical standpoint I abhor gambling and it genuinely saddens me to see people waste their money (like OP). However, it's important to note that I'm also a realist and understand that gambling revenue is massive, and that it's not going away in STO.
So, while on a personal level I hate gambling and am opposed to it, when I leave my emotions and morals at the door, I see promo packs and lockbox keys as a commodity to get me the really expensive stuff I want without spending a dime. It sucks that other people can't control their gambling habits, but if they're enjoying themselves, I don't see why I can't profit off of them as well.
And if they aren't enjoying themselves? Well, that's what the forums are for. There are numerous posters who can guide them to financial independance in STO without resorting to gambling.
They sell for ABOVE the exchange cap so of course they ain't on there. Trade channels man, trade channels. They really should just have the 1 billion cap on the exchange.
Edit: One a side note, you have 800 lobi. That means the next lobi sale, you can get yourself a vengence...which is much better anyways.
That is only a matter of opinion. Not everyone wants a big, hulking ship like that. (I personally think it's hideous in my own opinion, reminds me of a giant bottle opener with guns on it)
Also, the Connie I was lucky to get, I checked in an advanced que on Mirror Invasion, it had 15,000 more hp than the Vengence that was playing with the group I was in. So, I do not know if it is better, per say.
It's all a matter of personal taste. If one wants a Vengeance or a another lobi rock ship, by all means, get it.
What I saying is the advice to buy with EC is logical but flawed IF everyone followed the same train of thought, Its just fortunate that doesn't happen.
The buy with EC only works if someone gambles and wins.
The point i'm trying to make is if no one gambles, no one wins, so no ship available.
I was analysing the statement in a cynical way. And a what if people all took the buy with EC advice and no one gambled by opening a box ?
The replies I've had does go to show that people don't follow the same train of thought, so the statement buy with EC does hold true.
Someone will gamble on the boxes allowing you to purchase it off them with EC.
Maybe I didn't communicate my WHAT IF scenario across very well or my dry cynical humor.
It's a very flawed WHAT IF. The advice that those who buy keys and promo boxes "should" sell them on the exchange is sound advice. It's sound because there are plenty of people willing to buy those keys and promo boxes. The WHAT IF scenario assumes a world in which no one is willing to buy them which is silly.
When you see "TRIBBLE" in my posts, it's because I manually typed "TRIBBLE" and censored myself.
Ouch. 80 boxes x 15 million EC (you could have sold them for) which is below the going rate = 1.2 billion EC. The ship is selling for 900M - 1 Billion right now. Keep this in mind next time.
yeah but I can't find any in the exchange which is why I decided to open them instead :-(
Private trades are how this occurs. It happens all the time in game.
^^^ Salazarraze speaks the truth. The EC cap of 750 million on the exchange keeps these ships from showing up there. Since the price range is 900 million and up, you have to first get the EC together. Then you have to find a willing seller through private channels.
The advice I've been given is:
1- Be on the lookout at ESD for people talking about selling one. It forces you to sift through zone chat which is tiring, but there is some activity there.
2- Join the trade chat channel. You need an invite to that channel. I'm still not sure how to get on that channel. But there is activity going on there for this ship.
3- Let everyone you know, know that you are looking to buy. This is what I did. And after making a bit of noise on the forums here and in-game among people I play with, someone reached out to me (thank you!) and we made the transaction today.
Mission accomplished!
So don't give up.
This is really similar to trying to buy a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship back in the day. It's way more expensive than the exchange can handle, so it's a secondary market. After years of playing EQ, I wasn't daunted by trading with players avatar to avatar. It's how I used to get all kinds of stuff back before EQ created the bazaar.
It makes me weirdly happy to know that you finally got your "real" endgame Constitution. Congratulations.
It also removes any bad conscience I had about knowing that I had it before you did, and I was never a big T6 Connie proponent.
(Just leaves teh bad concsience on spending a lot of money for this and the D7. And now I am still going to have to spend a lot to get the T'Liss.)
Thanks. I knew I wasn't going to be first in line the day it came out, but I had a plan (the same plan that's posted in this thread and a bunch of others). Good luck with the T'Liss and let me know how the D7 is. Stats wise it looks like an amazing ship for the KDF.
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You should have sold (boxname=x) on the exchange for (value=Y) EC then you would have made enough to buy (itemname=Z) without having to gamble.
I suck at programming language but you get the idea.
yeah but I can't find any in the exchange which is why I decided to open them instead :-(
While the price of a T6 Lobi ship combined with 80m EC is well below the 900m-1b price the T6 Temporal Light Cruiser is currently (as of this posting) is going for, the market itself is rich with opportunities for someone who is tired of being the victim of economic forces.
By leveraging the EC you could make by liquidating your assets, and making some intelligent investment decisions in the exchange, you could make enough EC to buy your ship in a month or two, depending on your skill level.
See this as learning experience, you are only a failure if you make the conscious choice to give up instead of getting back up, dusting yourself off, and refusing to be a victim.
^^^ Salazarraze speaks the truth. The EC cap of 750 million on the exchange keeps these ships from showing up there. Since the price range is 900 million and up, you have to first get the EC together. Then you have to find a willing seller through private channels.
The advice I've been given is:
1- Be on the lookout at ESD for people talking about selling one. It forces you to sift through zone chat which is tiring, but there is some activity there.
2- Join the trade chat channel. You need an invite to that channel. I'm still not sure how to get on that channel. But there is activity going on there for this ship.
3- Let everyone you know, know that you are looking to buy. This is what I did. And after making a bit of noise on the forums here and in-game among people I play with, someone reached out to me (thank you!) and we made the transaction today.
Mission accomplished!
So don't give up.
This is really similar to trying to buy a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship back in the day. It's way more expensive than the exchange can handle, so it's a secondary market. After years of playing EQ, I wasn't daunted by trading with players avatar to avatar. It's how I used to get all kinds of stuff back before EQ created the bazaar.
There have been many many threads here explaining this. Why did you not bother to come to the forums until after it was too late?
Do your homework. Be prepared. Measure twice cut once. A stitch in time gets Phillip Crey to be your friend. And Knowing Is Half The Battle!
He must be a temporal agent stuck in a causeality loop ala groundhog day style.
Its sound advice but falls apart if everyone took it and no one opened any boxes.
Q. What would it mean for acquiring the ship for EC if no one opened boxes and just sold them for EC ?...
Sorry RNGebus wasn't kind to you OP he wasn't on my side either with the 80 odd I opened either.
Thanks. It's a really fun ship to fly!
It makes me weirdly happy to know that you finally got your "real" endgame Constitution.
It also removes any bad conscience I had about knowing that I had it before you did, and I was never a big T6 Connie proponent.
(Just leaves teh bad concsience on spending a lot of money for this and the D7. And now I am still going to have to spend a lot to get the T'Liss.)
Ok here's how it falls apart if everyone followed that advice (It does need everyone to follow this advice) and bought the boxes put them on the exchange and no one was opening them there would be no ship for anyone to trade. Its only obtainable via opening these boxes right ? not purchasing the boxes ?
Its the most logical but illogical advice as for the advice to work you are reliant upon other players opening the boxes and not following this advice.
Which is very fortunate for people following this advice that not everyone is patient or has enough self control to follow it. Meaning someone somewhere in game is gambling on you're behalf for you to purchase off their good luck with RNG.
It just makes me chuckle seeing people post the don't gamble, sell and buy with EC, when someone has to gamble in order for the ship to be traded.
Its not wrong to advise a person of this, i'm just thinking the what if everyone decided to follow suit and no one gambled.
The reality is that people will gamble. It's human nature. We can hypothesis over what would happen if nobody ever gambled in STO till the servers shut down, but the plain and simple truth is that there are people in STO who have addictive personalities, and many of them fall for the Gambler's Fallacy.
Most people in STO just aren't that bright to begin with. So, to suggest that the "scheme" of buying and selling promo packs and keys on the exchange falls apart when people stop gambling altogether is like suggesting humanity itself will suddenly wake up one day and decide to stop being dumb. Could it happen? Sure. Are there many fictional accounts of that happening (including Star Trek)? Of course. But that's why it's fictional, and not reality.
If gamblers are inevitable (which they are), then the real question is who should be allowed to benefit from your fellow player? Cryptic? That goes without saying. We need Cryptic to continue developing and maintaining the game.
But, if Cryptic opens the door for fellow players to benefit off of the gambling addicts of the game, why shouldn't it be me? Or you? Or anyone else? If I have the opportunity to take advantage of somebody with more money than sense for my own personal benefit, you're damn right I will. If somebody is going to benefit from them regardless, well, why not me?
The buy with EC only works if someone gambles and wins.
The point i'm trying to make is if no one gambles, no one wins, so no ship available.
I was analysing the statement in a cynical way. And a what if people all took the buy with EC advice and no one gambled by opening a box ?
The replies I've had does go to show that people don't follow the same train of thought, so the statement buy with EC does hold true.
Someone will gamble on the boxes allowing you to purchase it off them with EC.
Maybe I didn't communicate my WHAT IF scenario across very well or my dry cynical humor.
Well, of course. But to me it's like saying "Well, what if the sun doesn't rise tomorrow? We'd all get cold and die."
Gamblers will exist so long as the sun continues to rise every morning. I also admit I'm a hypocrit in this matter, as from a moral and ethical standpoint I abhor gambling and it genuinely saddens me to see people waste their money (like OP). However, it's important to note that I'm also a realist and understand that gambling revenue is massive, and that it's not going away in STO.
So, while on a personal level I hate gambling and am opposed to it, when I leave my emotions and morals at the door, I see promo packs and lockbox keys as a commodity to get me the really expensive stuff I want without spending a dime. It sucks that other people can't control their gambling habits, but if they're enjoying themselves, I don't see why I can't profit off of them as well.
And if they aren't enjoying themselves? Well, that's what the forums are for. There are numerous posters who can guide them to financial independance in STO without resorting to gambling.
That is only a matter of opinion. Not everyone wants a big, hulking ship like that. (I personally think it's hideous in my own opinion, reminds me of a giant bottle opener with guns on it)
Also, the Connie I was lucky to get, I checked in an advanced que on Mirror Invasion, it had 15,000 more hp than the Vengence that was playing with the group I was in. So, I do not know if it is better, per say.
It's all a matter of personal taste. If one wants a Vengeance or a another lobi rock ship, by all means, get it.
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Thanks. I knew I wasn't going to be first in line the day it came out, but I had a plan (the same plan that's posted in this thread and a bunch of others). Good luck with the T'Liss and let me know how the D7 is. Stats wise it looks like an amazing ship for the KDF.