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Are the upgraded visuals/lighting effects coming to the PC version as well?

I am sure that those with higher end PC's would appreciate an upgrade like that. Do not feel like starting a new account on a console to enjoy them. Of course, they should be on a toggle, so that everyone has the option depending on their hardware to disable them.
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,865 Arc User
    Yes, but there's no specific date for them yet.
  • ezicstar#2795 ezicstar Member Posts: 50 Arc User
    They'd be giving a colossal middle finger to us if they didn't roll them out to the PC version.
  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,602 Arc User
    They'd be giving a colossal middle finger to us if they didn't roll them out to the PC version.

    They've already said PC IS getting them.
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,865 Arc User
    They'd be giving a colossal middle finger to us if they didn't roll them out to the PC version.

    Or if they broke into our homes and murdered our pets. We'd hate that.

    Luckily, neither is going to happen. Spot and Mr. Whiskers are safe! ( ... FOR NOW. )

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  • nateham101#2745 nateham101 Member Posts: 420 Arc User
    All KT ship owners will report a sudden loss of eye sight as soon as they enter their bridge.

    Here's a safe version of whet they will see.
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    HAHAH, yep! MOAR lens flare NOW please!
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  • pottsey5gpottsey5g Member Posts: 4,326 Arc User
    Are the upgraded visuals/lighting effects coming to the PC version as well?

    I am sure that those with higher end PC's would appreciate an upgrade like that. Do not feel like starting a new account on a console to enjoy them. Of course, they should be on a toggle, so that everyone has the option depending on their hardware to disable them.
    Yes they are coming to the PC just don't expect it to look better. Most of the screenshots look way worse after the so called upgrade.
  • atctexx#9688 atctexx Member Posts: 38 Arc User
    Shoot, as it is, I went to my Vengie bridge and had to rub out my eyes because it was so fuzzy with all the flares.
  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,983 Arc User
    edited August 2016
    pottsey5g wrote: »
    Yes they are coming to the PC just don't expect it to look better. Most of the screenshots look way worse after the so called upgrade.

    People can judge this for themselves. Personally, there's absolutely no question that the new engine is a big improvement over the old (technically or aesthetically.)

    Here, I have example. They are what we use when we want to substantiate a point. :tongue:

    http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/9964153-star-trek-online:-weekly-before-and-after
    http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10075563-before-and-after
    http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10053953-star-trek-online:-weekly-before-and-after
    http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10042573-star-trek-online:-weekly-before-and-after
    http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/9986113-star-trek-online:-weekly-before-and-after

    I'm sure that across the scale of an MMO you will find at least one thing after the update where you prefer the old look (in spite of the technical aspect.) But never fear, if it becomes a problem you can always turn down the lighting settings and stick with retro-STO (low-end machines/settings won't be forced to render the new lighting engine).
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  • fruitvendor12fruitvendor12 Member Posts: 615 Arc User
    I hope it looks better when finally rolled out. Because I consider the before/after screenshots a great case for keeping the old look. Too much fog, everything looks washed out, brighter yes but almost cartoonish. Anyway, trying to keep an open mind, err eye...
  • forcemajeureforcemajeure Member Posts: 212 Arc User
    pottsey5g wrote: »
    Are the upgraded visuals/lighting effects coming to the PC version as well?

    I am sure that those with higher end PC's would appreciate an upgrade like that. Do not feel like starting a new account on a console to enjoy them. Of course, they should be on a toggle, so that everyone has the option depending on their hardware to disable them.
    Yes they are coming to the PC just don't expect it to look better. Most of the screenshots look way worse after the so called upgrade.

    Sadly I have to agree here. The 'Before' shots (in my eyes) look sharper, have more blue/grey tones, and have a more 'interiors with shadows' look. This is all, IMO, more future/space/technology oriented.

    The 'After' shots generally look fuzzier, have more brown/yellow/gold tones, and everything seems to be lit from all angles. Many items appear to have a glow of their own. This is more of an 'old West, outside, in bright daylight, with a less sharp focus' look overall.

    In fact, in game, I can pretty much simulate a lot of the 'new graphics' look simply by turning my brightness up 25-30% and changing the color balance of my monitor. So, hope they aren't gonna say "OMG we put weeks and weeks of work into this" when it's like a 2-setting tweak.

    I guess maybe the guy who is designing the changes has dim vision or needs better glasses. Or possibly a new monitor.

    I certainly hope they have some sort of 'Old graphics/New graphics' selection available to us.
  • risian4risian4 Member Posts: 3,711 Arc User
    pottsey5g wrote: »
    Are the upgraded visuals/lighting effects coming to the PC version as well?

    I am sure that those with higher end PC's would appreciate an upgrade like that. Do not feel like starting a new account on a console to enjoy them. Of course, they should be on a toggle, so that everyone has the option depending on their hardware to disable them.
    Yes they are coming to the PC just don't expect it to look better. Most of the screenshots look way worse after the so called upgrade.


    The 'After' shots generally look fuzzier, have more brown/yellow/gold tones, and everything seems to be lit from all angles. Many items appear to have a glow of their own. This is more of an 'old West, outside, in bright daylight, with a less sharp focus' look overall.

    Agreed with this, especially the 'glow of their own' part. It's simply too bright... in there, to paraphrase Slamek.

    Take for example Hassan's stronghold, one of the first Before and After examples; that place looks actually a lot better without so many light sources. Or the Elachi station interiors. There's almost nothing creepy about them anymore if they're so well lit.
  • ezicstar#2795 ezicstar Member Posts: 50 Arc User
    You do realize those are entirely new textures on most surfaces? The colors look washed out because the lighting is more natural and the textures are absorbing/reflecting the way they should. It looks far less "cartoony" after than it did before, I think.
  • pottsey5gpottsey5g Member Posts: 4,326 Arc User
    edited August 2016
    pottsey5g wrote: »
    Yes they are coming to the PC just don't expect it to look better. Most of the screenshots look way worse after the so called upgrade.

    People can judge this for themselves. Personally, there's absolutely no question that the new engine is a big improvement over the old (technically or aesthetically.)

    Here, I have example. They are what we use when we want to substantiate a point. :tongue:

    http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/9964153-star-trek-online:-weekly-before-and-after
    http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10075563-before-and-after
    http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10053953-star-trek-online:-weekly-before-and-after
    http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10042573-star-trek-online:-weekly-before-and-after
    http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/9986113-star-trek-online:-weekly-before-and-after

    I'm sure that across the scale of an MMO you will find at least one thing after the update where you prefer the old look (in spite of the technical aspect.) But never fear, if it becomes a problem you can always turn down the lighting settings and stick with retro-STO (low-end machines/settings won't be forced to render the new lighting engine).
    That just shows how bad the new graphics are. Lost detail, too much blur, washed out look, bad haze where there should be no haze, overly bright panels and more downgrades.

    I don't see how hazy shots with a washed out look and loss of detail can be called an upgrade.
    Take a look at this screenshot.

    https://s32.postimg.io/e548ufe6r/Graphics.jpg The after shot in both areas is far worse. Lots of background detail lost, overly bright. Most of the new screenshots are as bad as this. Aesthetically the graphics look far worse after the upgrade. Most people seem to be in agreement with me going by the other threads.

    EDIT:
    When you are in the star base the shuttle on the other side of the room shouldn't have a blur around it and there shouldn't be a fog haze all over.
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  • starmanjstarmanj Member Posts: 721 Arc User
    I wonder if we will be able to use DirectX 12 when new lighting comes out.
  • nateham101#2745 nateham101 Member Posts: 420 Arc User
    I think it is going to depend on your hardware. High end machines, running at maxed settings will really see the improvements. People who can not run the new settings, will not be able to render the new stuff correctly.
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  • freightstopperfreightstopper Member Posts: 232 Arc User
    As long as they reset the 'default' graphics to the minimums I don't really care.

    Can barely play at the minute because all the graphics settings have been set to the maximums and if I so much as click on any of them the game crashes or freezes up.
  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    I think it is going to depend on your hardware. High end machines, running at maxed settings will really see the improvements. People who can not run the new settings, will not be able to render the new stuff correctly.

    New lighting?! When is this supposed to happen!? Love to see it! :)
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  • dmensionhatrossdmensionhatross Member Posts: 64 Arc User
    I think the changes look really nice in general.

    I prefer the darkness of some of the original shots, but there is much more lighting detail and depth to the images in the new ones. To me, the original images feel somewhat lacking in atmosphere by comparison, and somewhat stale.

    Looking forward to it :)
  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    I think the changes look really nice in general.

    I prefer the darkness of some of the original shots, but there is much more lighting detail and depth to the images in the new ones. To me, the original images feel somewhat lacking in atmosphere by comparison, and somewhat stale.

    Looking forward to it :)

    Linky, please? :)
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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    Here : http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/9998003

    And the first picture has a sliding feature.​​

    Thanks! :) That looks all pretty sweet!
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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,573 Arc User
    They seemed to have really gone overboard already before this lighting change is added. The beacons on the mining asteroids are way too bright and red. Were people having that much of a problem seeing them?

    'What Lies Beneath' needs a bit of a lighting enhancement. I really don't like the red lighting on KDF ships.
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  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    It is certainly going to take some getting use to for those of us that have been playing since the beginning.

    It's a whole new look for a game I've been playing for six and a half years now.

    I'd love to see some comparison shots between the PC & Console versions when this all goes live.
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  • alexraptorralexraptorr Member Posts: 1,192 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    ltminns wrote: »
    I really don't like the red lighting on KDF ships.

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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,573 Arc User
    I know they had it on TV but that does not negate the fact that I don't like it.
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  • commanderkassycommanderkassy Member Posts: 1,005 Arc User
    ltminns wrote: »
    I know they had it on TV but that does not negate the fact that I don't like it.

    Well they aren't going to change it just for you.
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  • hypnoticbeasthypnoticbeast Member Posts: 107 Arc User
    pottsey5g wrote: »
    Are the upgraded visuals/lighting effects coming to the PC version as well?

    I am sure that those with higher end PC's would appreciate an upgrade like that. Do not feel like starting a new account on a console to enjoy them. Of course, they should be on a toggle, so that everyone has the option depending on their hardware to disable them.
    Yes they are coming to the PC just don't expect it to look better. Most of the screenshots look way worse after the so called upgrade.

    If the update looks bad on your pc it might have something to do with your monitor. My PC is not phenom in its own right but it can hold its own. So I popped on over to tribble to see what the fuss was about. I have to say i am very pleased with what I saw. The lighting looks more natural and there is waay less of the DC comic movie Emo darkness that seems to plague this game. If it comes out off and you PC and handle it then your monitor needs replacing.
  • necreliosis#4763 necreliosis Member Posts: 112 Arc User
    They're not kidding about the brightness. When the patch goes live I recommend recalibrating your brightness settings. ESD is super bright, so are most ship interiors where there is a lot of consoles and lights reflecting on everything.

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