I am all for anything that widens the game to other platforms, I own a PS3, but I don;t play the same games on it that I play on my PC. I also bought the Lifetime, and I did it on a sale. I had already played for a year free so I waited and spent 199.99 on the lifetime, because I knew I was goign to play it at least another year (this was 2-3 years ago).
so 200 bucks over 12 months is about 16 bucks a month, and I had just come off another MMO that was 15 a month, so I got a lot of value out of the lifetime, considering I have been a "lifer" for more than 2 years now.
The I have made a few zen purchases over the last few years, but usually little bits here and there (to make end meet for a bundle) and I bought the steam pack when steam had it on sale last Christmas season.
Overall I have spent less on STO than other MMO in the past that have had a monthly fee.
I do like the fact that you really don't have to pay to play if you are a casual storyline player.
Also if you are a penny pincher like myself you can get free items from various MMO sites
If one is patient and can wait for the sales and discounts on pack and services, you can certainly get a lot of value of free to play or even pay to play, whichever you choose.
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There are two issues that i'm seeing here. The first, is that they don't seem to be really going for cross platform play, which would certainly liven up the game for all, rather than have three separate dead games.
The second, is that everything is unlocked and tied to your account, so why would it be that logging into your account suddenly doesn't accept that you're Player X who has been playing for y and paid Z over that time. That's just stupid. Most of my friends and Fleet mates have dropped the game, because cryptic is clearly worse for Trek than Abrams. With the game coming to two new consoles, why wouldn't players be jumping to a new system?
People with subpar PC's would just jump to a console. With the mistake of not allowing Crossplatforming, PC people would want to go console just to get to a more active version of the game. With Win 10 touting Xbox one capabilities, why wouldn't I want to use that to play with new players or returning friends on their consoles?
To say that "people would be overwhelmed by the higher end players or rich players" is a bit TRIBBLE as well, considering those with the disposable income would be just buying their way to the top anyway (P2W after all).
If everything is bound to our accounts anyway, why can't we use our existing characters and such on the different consoles? Why shoot yourself in the foot by limiting the already shrunken community rather than letting the console communities fill in the gaps and hemorrhages?
There is no way they wouldn't be able to do that unless A) they just didn't care they just didn't want to do the work C) they honestly just didn't have the foresight for the obvious, all of which fall regularly under corruptic's M.O. More than likely, it's C because of A, but once they realized it, B, which means they'd just pass it off as being some kind of server issue or something on Microsoft/Sony's end. They've proven they don't care for the fans and have no problems lying or just not saying anything so I don't see them changing at all just because it would benefit them as well as the community.
Get all this "Cryptic is gonna let me transfer my stuff to a console" out of your heads. Its just not going to happen.
Neverwinter on XBox and PC are different servers and never do they meet. The PC version gets updates more often, and new Expansions at least 2 weeks in advance. Things pop up and are removed at different intervals from each. Some zen items arent accessible in XBOX(At least they used to not be, I havent played XBOX in awhile)
STO will be different servers, with different updates and season releases compared to whats going to be on console.
As for why your not going to get your items transfered its simple, you were never promised STO on console, you made your purchases solely for use on the pc.
Why should a company, that will try to make a profit give you everything from your pc account to a new console account. Cause their nice? Cause YOU Deserve it? Try seeing if that sticks in any type of legal action. You were never promised the ability to port your purchases, your not going to get them.
Another point is a level playing field. Ive read some DPSWARRIORZ saying its tough if the new console players cant keep up with their leetz dps...actually its tough for you...cause cryptic isnt filled with morons (no matter how we might feel sometimes)...
if your a brand new player, and your taking your ship to battle in a red alert fo the first time...you and all the others who made it in get ready for this awesome fight...and Captain Epeen of the U.S.S. Douchebag flies up and blows all the Borg cubes away in under 3 seconds...are you really gonna want to continue to play....even if you do, if this happens more than once your pretty much gonna drop the game...and your gonna tell your friends...and your gonna post about it...and cryptic loses money...lots of money...just so some pc bozo can show off to console players that have no chance to be where the pc player is anytime soon...no gonna happen
If you dont wanna lose your purchases stay on pc...if you really want to play console, have fun, but dont act like your entitled to anything that youre not...
totally agree, add to this the fact that what has been ported over to consoles has been heavily altered to run on the consoles and this is likely to make the different systems have problems talking to each other and as time goes on and updates are added to all platforms these differences will only grow, even the two console versions will have problems interacting with each other as different updates at different times are added let alone including the PC in this mix.
why do you think there are 3 different platform tabs on the web site, this is so the 3 different platforms can be kept informed on updates and changes as they appear on each of the three platforms, if the 3 platforms were interchangeable why would there be any need for multiple web pages? even players of the two different consoles will not be able to access their accounts on the other consoles.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
> @nabreeki said: > I don't see what the big deal is about "fairness" in having new players match up against people with money spent and superior builds. > > I get that lots of snowflakes in this game cannot handle things like character death with little-to-no penalty, but if one were to start anew in any MMO that has been around for years, then that person would be in a similar position: new to a game where most of the people you encounter are better equipped and more knowledgeable of the game and its mechanics. > > Not everyone needs to be on a level playing field, despite what the 5k DPSer crowd says.
I just think that in a perfect world (pause for pun) I could log into my PC and play with a friend on the X-box or Playstation. Later on, if house sitting for said friend, log into my account on their console and pick up with my characters and account as it is on the PC.
Barring that, all purchases and account privledges on my account should be valid on any system or console that I log into. More so, again considering that we're supposedly able to do crossplatforming now, and win 10 is going to make that easier with the X-box. If I can't use my account, purchases, characters and such on a console, I'm not playing on the console. I'm certainly not going to be playing multiple accounts that can't interact either (though there are those with multiple accounts, it's just not for me). Already, they're limiting the player base and dividing them. New blood would be nice, but not if it's already divvied out between three systems instead of just allowing everyone to make things better for all... Which you know... is kind of a theme with Star Trek.
And truth to be told, they need to basically rewrite the whole game. NW was made with consoles in mind but STO wasn't.
I can't really blame Cryptic making players to restart on those platforms. We still have like a half a year to think about if we want to restart.
My current stance is I will buy a PS4 and will restart. (And I'm a very anti-console PC masterrace player lol...)
Actually STO was going to be on the 360 back in 2010 but then was cancelled so they did have it in mind.
I'm pretty sure it was dropped maybe not in the 1st minute but in the second. (when you design something with 4 hotbars and 10+ buttons on screen then consoles are not on your mind...)
In fact, the original Cryptic engine, upon which was built first Champions Online and then STO, was being designed in concert with Microsoft and Marvel Comics - the original intent was for the game to be Marvel Online. During the design phase, however, someone at Marvel apparently decided that this MMO fad was going to be over soon, so they pulled out. Not seeing a future for the game without a major name driving it, Microsoft abandoned the project too. (This was, I believe, part of the reason Cryptic purchased the Champions IP outright from Hero Games - they'd already had CoH taken from them by NCSoft, then Marvel Online taken by Marvel, and probably didn't want to see that happen again.)
The legacy code for the controller is still in there - a number of CO players prefer using the XBox controller to the keyboard/mouse combo. (I disagree - too many functions have to be mapped to alt-layouts of the controller for my tastes - but de gustibus non disputandem est, you know?)
I think Cryptic does not expect a lot of PC players suddenly jumping ship to the consoles.
And even if they expected that, practical and licensing limitations might force the issue anyway.
So if you're like me and have invested hundreds of Dollars (or rather €uros) in this game - stay on the PC. If the game still runs on your machine, no need to change.
Also, for the console players it might actually be quite unfair if they suddenly had to face the space-rich PC players that amassed huge amounts of Dilithium and EC and expect to get 100 Million+ EC for a Tier 5 lockbox ship when most new console players would be happy to have one million after reaching level 50.
Judging by the backlash...Cryptic should actually do some research and should know for a fact now that PC gamers like playing on console too. Not asking to swap platforms permanently but being able to switch often is something I'd prefer with my accounts instead of having a forced reset, it certainly put's me off encouraging console fans to play STO, that in a way will decrease the amount of potential new STO players.
I honestly hope I have access on a console. The only reason I play on PC is because it's not available, but I'm more active and play more on consoles and got really excited that I might be able to transfer from PC to console and not have to deal with the PC bit anymore.
I honestly hope I have access on a console. The only reason I play on PC is because it's not available, but I'm more active and play more on consoles and got really excited that I might be able to transfer from PC to console and not have to deal with the PC bit anymore.
As long as you are fine with starting all over, then you should have no problems switching over to playing STO on the console.
There is only one plausible reason I can think of for someone wanting to bring all their stufs from the PC to the Console and crying here on the forums about not be able to do so. Ready? Here it comes.
They're compensating.
And not doing a very good job of it, I might add. Shouldn't they be out buying a monster truck with eight inch pipes or a hot rod with eight cylinders, or some other manly man sort of toy? Nope. Not them. They want to show off that US $100.00 dollar(!) pixel collection to a bunch of newbies who've never played STO before. Annnd, said US $100.00 dollar(!) pixel collection can, ahem, "Destroy!" another pixel collection in about zero point five seconds.
Does the L-word apply here? I dunno. It might. Just sayin'. About the crying thing - I just might have some Midol and a spare pair I'm not using at the moment. Along with some extra vertebrae. If someone is in dire need. I know from watching my girlfriend just how bad those cramps can get sometimes. Why, just the other day, I had to get up during Walker:Texas Ranger and (GASP!) Get My Own Beer!
A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
There is only one plausible reason I can think of for someone wanting to bring all their stufs from the PC to the Console and crying here on the forums about not be able to do so. Ready? Here it comes.
They're compensating.
They want to show off that US $100.00 dollar(!) pixel collection to a bunch of newbies
Then you probably need to think for more than the 2 seconds your childish mind let you focus on this issue.
A lot of people have spent a considerable amount more than $100. LTS is at least $200. Ships are ~$50 EACH.
I'll let you rethink that absurdly low figure you made up.
Of course even this figure pales in comparison with the thousands upon thousands of man hours people have put into grinding out their characters.
From reputations to dil to epic items to missions to fleet holdings. (This was also a 2 second thought, so i'm quite sure there are many more grinds i have missed).
These are the main reason people want to port their stuff from PC to console.
PS. Even though this will probably get me a warning, but anyone that has to mention how awesome they are on the internet by mentioning they have a girlfriend AND drink alcohol, is DEFINITELY compensating. You are either a 12 year old who has had neither, and is trying to look cool on a forum, or are a L-Word and this is your first for both.
There is only one plausible reason I can think of for someone wanting to bring all their stufs from the PC to the Console and crying here on the forums about not be able to do so. Ready? Here it comes.
They're compensating.
They want to show off that US $100.00 dollar(!) pixel collection to a bunch of newbies
Then you probably need to think for more than the 2 seconds your childish mind let you focus on this issue.
A lot of people have spent a considerable amount more than $100. LTS is at least $200. Ships are ~$50 EACH.
I'll let you rethink that absurdly low figure you made up.
Of course even this figure pales in comparison with the thousands upon thousands of man hours people have put into grinding out their characters.
From reputations to dil to epic items to missions to fleet holdings. (This was also a 2 second thought, so i'm quite sure there are many more grinds i have missed).
These are the main reason people want to port their stuff from PC to console.
PS. Even though this will probably get me a warning, but anyone that has to mention how awesome they are on the internet by mentioning they have a girlfriend AND drink alcohol, is DEFINITELY compensating. You are either a 12 year old who has had neither, and is trying to look cool on a forum, or are a L-Word and this is your first for both.
It is called "Humor". Specifically, schadenfreude.Although I am unsure the spelling is correct. Maybe you should try it sometime. It is relaxing, good for body and the spirit, and has health benefits as well. At 54 years old my mind may be childlike some times. But it is never childish. And I picked that 'absurdly low' figure because to someone living in Dad's basement while working at the Pizza Runt really would think US $100.00 is a lot of money.
It is a reasonable guess I spend more than two seconds thinking about things as well.
As to worrying about the warning, you shouldn't. I've posted far worse. So even here, you're second.
BTW, since I am well past the legal drinking age, it is acceptable for me to drink adult beverages. And have a girlfriend. Again, you missed the mark due to your obvious inability to correctly understand the useage and properties of humor. All that part? It is supposed to be a different kind of humor. This kind is called 'hyperbole'. A wild exaggeration to make a point. Having to explain it all takes all the funny right out of it for us normal humans.
tl;dr version:
If your going to be dumb enough to pull up a chair and sit down smack dab in the middle of my crosshairs, I am going to take the shot. I cannot help myself. It is a long used and well honed reflex. Now why don't you carry your overly sanctimonious hindquarters somewhere else and quit bothering the nice people by making a public donkey's rear end out of yourself over things which are clearly beyond your understanding?
A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
54 with girlfriend. May be time to make a commitment. Not much time left...
I am old and very childlike and ish!
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
54 with girlfriend. May be time to make a commitment. Not much time left...
I am old and very childlike and ish!
His life, if he wants it to be that way so be it. I personally feel it's probably the smart move off the bat so new players aren't run roughshod over by veteran players.
They said it's not going to happen NOW, but who knows maybe 6 months in or so once the new players have figured out how to do things they might open it up for cross play.
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I am all for anything that widens the game to other platforms, I own a PS3, but I don;t play the same games on it that I play on my PC. I also bought the Lifetime, and I did it on a sale. I had already played for a year free so I waited and spent 199.99 on the lifetime, because I knew I was goign to play it at least another year (this was 2-3 years ago).
so 200 bucks over 12 months is about 16 bucks a month, and I had just come off another MMO that was 15 a month, so I got a lot of value out of the lifetime, considering I have been a "lifer" for more than 2 years now.
The I have made a few zen purchases over the last few years, but usually little bits here and there (to make end meet for a bundle) and I bought the steam pack when steam had it on sale last Christmas season.
Overall I have spent less on STO than other MMO in the past that have had a monthly fee.
I do like the fact that you really don't have to pay to play if you are a casual storyline player.
Also if you are a penny pincher like myself you can get free items from various MMO sites
If one is patient and can wait for the sales and discounts on pack and services, you can certainly get a lot of value of free to play or even pay to play, whichever you choose.
I'm a monthly subscriber, because its hard to drop 200 or more on this game in one lump sum with 5 kids, but I can manage 15. Been playing for 5 years now. Do I maybe think I should have been given a LT after more than 4 years of payments? Perhaps, but I'm not complaining.
Just curious, but why not just put the monthly subscription into a fund and when you have the sufficient funds and the LTS is on sale, then purchase it? The monthly rewards for being a Subscriber are just not worth it. Some MMOs try to force us to be subscribers and some MMOs like STO try to force us to go F2P. Just subscribe for a month or two whenever you need to level up a character.
I am all for anything that widens the game to other platforms, I own a PS3, but I don;t play the same games on it that I play on my PC. I also bought the Lifetime, and I did it on a sale. I had already played for a year free so I waited and spent 199.99 on the lifetime, because I knew I was goign to play it at least another year (this was 2-3 years ago).
so 200 bucks over 12 months is about 16 bucks a month, and I had just come off another MMO that was 15 a month, so I got a lot of value out of the lifetime, considering I have been a "lifer" for more than 2 years now.
The I have made a few zen purchases over the last few years, but usually little bits here and there (to make end meet for a bundle) and I bought the steam pack when steam had it on sale last Christmas season.
Overall I have spent less on STO than other MMO in the past that have had a monthly fee.
I do like the fact that you really don't have to pay to play if you are a casual storyline player.
Also if you are a penny pincher like myself you can get free items from various MMO sites
If one is patient and can wait for the sales and discounts on pack and services, you can certainly get a lot of value of free to play or even pay to play, whichever you choose.
I'm a monthly subscriber, because its hard to drop 200 or more on this game in one lump sum with 5 kids, but I can manage 15. Been playing for 5 years now. Do I maybe think I should have been given a LT after more than 4 years of payments? Perhaps, but I'm not complaining.
Just curious, but why not just put the monthly subscription into a fund and when you have the sufficient funds and the LTS is on sale, then purchase it? The monthly rewards for being a Subscriber are just not worth it. Some MMOs try to force us to be subscribers and some MMOs like STO try to force us to go F2P. Just subscribe for a month or two whenever you need to level up a character.
Well like I said it is hard to put together enough to get the LTS, at least on my budget, and yes I could have saved up and gotten it later... maybe, probably would have ended up having to use the money for some emergency expense like car repairs or some such (think the sequence in Up about the couple trying to save for a trip and always having to use the money for something). As for why I remain a subscriber there are 2 main reasons, the first is that the various subscriber benefits such as account bank, ec cap increase, vet ships, etc etc are worth it to me. The second is that I want to support the game, but I can't afford to play lockbox lottery, or buy big 9 ship packs.
My first few months playing, before I subscribed, I blew so much money on Borg boffs, doff roster slots, keys, etc I almost ended up in real trouble, subscribing got me under control and has helped me stay in control. Seriously I was starting to remind myself of Codex (The Guild), and worse, remind myself of what I was like during my drinking days.
The EC Cap increase can be permanently taken care of with a 500 Zen purchase. The other subscriber benefits like Account Bank and Inventory slots aren't removed AFAIK when you go F2P. Been a Lifer for the entire time so not entirely sure what happens when the Subscription is cancelled here. Supporting the game is a very good reason to do it. Just too bad that there is no personal benefit for subscribing for over 1000 days. Would have been nice if there was a Veteran Reward for 1500 days and 2000 days.
Ummm... is the PS4 version going to be new account just in the sense of the characters, or a totally new account? Am I logging into an STO account, or a PWE account that links to STO because that's the app I accessed? If it's a Cryptic/PWE account, wouldn't the console version know that I'm a lifetime subscriber? And if that's true, why wouldn't I have access to all the stuff that account knows I have access to? Just asking.
I was actually considering buying a console, but if my lifetime account and anything else I have purchased will not be available to me, then I will remain solely a PC.
They make a wondrous mess of things. Brave amateurs, they do their part.
Digital Extremes made a one-time-offer for PC-players of Warframe to migrate their PC-accounts to the console back when they announced Warframe coming to PS4.
Ummm... is the PS4 version going to be new account just in the sense of the characters, or a totally new account? Am I logging into an STO account, or a PWE account that links to STO because that's the app I accessed? If it's a Cryptic/PWE account, wouldn't the console version know that I'm a lifetime subscriber? And if that's true, why wouldn't I have access to all the stuff that account knows I have access to? Just asking.
Ummm... is the PS4 version going to be new account just in the sense of the characters, or a totally new account? Am I logging into an STO account, or a PWE account that links to STO because that's the app I accessed? If it's a Cryptic/PWE account, wouldn't the console version know that I'm a lifetime subscriber? And if that's true, why wouldn't I have access to all the stuff that account knows I have access to? Just asking.
sorry for that lol, but i agree with some guys here ,i beleve that only console player should pay for the expansion ,after all that all there is new in this game,are people stupid enough to pay 300$ just to get new skin and 6 episode?and what after,we will get 1 new episode every 3 mouth ,i have already pay around 800$if not more of expansion and 1000+++ of dollars to upgrade console weapon buy ship ect and now they expect me to pay again 300$ us,to start all over again,just for 6 episode ha keep dreaming.
Sometimes I kinda understand why the rest of the world hates gamers.
Not sure they "hate gamers"...on the contrary they "LOVE" money. Devs not at fault but MR. EP and management for going this way with STO. They only see metrics and $$$ signs everywhere. They think players are so naive they wont care to spend 2x the amount of money on same content. Upon getting an LTS, there is nowhere saying that you only get an LTS for "PC" since at that time there was no other platform. Hence, any agreements should be carried forward from PC to the other platforms.
Heck at least show some discount or throw a bone for sustaining this game through they years. Gold and LTS should definitely get a much better start than this. Shame on whoever made this decision and hope their greed serves them well when they see empty queues in both platforms a year from now.
Read a book. Wealth of Nations may be a good start.
Your argument is based on faulty basis. Look, if you bought a Queen 8-track it doesn't mean you get the free Queen vinyl, Cassette, CD, MP3, or the rights to it on every media mechanism that plays it (I deserve free Sirius, free Pandora, free, free free).
This is a game for us. It is a business for them. More power to them if they can expand it into growing markets. Thank heavens they are continuing to support it on the older tech. Been to a Gamestop lately? Seen the PC game selection?
Hell, it is a six year old game that has gone through a ton of difficult challenges. Wasn't too long ago we were all afraid that game was going to go dark but of course, how quickly we forget. To us this is a game but to the folks behind the scene, it is a profession feeding their families, paying mortgages, and maintaining stock holders.
These guys working on this game deserve praise not the constant flame wars that go on.
Why do people keep bring up cross platfrom interaction as some how an excuse for not allowing you to transfer you PC account to console?
News Flash: You do not have to have cross platform interation to have PC account carry over to console.
News Flash: Having more experienced PC players playing on a console will help the console as they will be able to assit new influx of console players.
News Flash: Other PC only MMO's that opened up into the console market such as ESO allowed PC players for a limited time to transfer there account to the console and the world didn't end and it actually helped the game as there were many veteran players there able to assit the new players coming in on the console.
News Flash: Them not allowing you to transfer your account to Console has nothing to do with Microsoft or Sony... this is 100% Perfect Worlds choice.
I personally believe that they are making a mistake not allowing PC players to transfer to console if they wish. The only reason they are not allowing PC accounts to transfer is do to them wanting to get money again from the few PC players that may transfer... The sad part is they most likely would make more money allowing transfers as it will keep those player engaged in the game instead of being disgruntled over it.
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so 200 bucks over 12 months is about 16 bucks a month, and I had just come off another MMO that was 15 a month, so I got a lot of value out of the lifetime, considering I have been a "lifer" for more than 2 years now.
The I have made a few zen purchases over the last few years, but usually little bits here and there (to make end meet for a bundle) and I bought the steam pack when steam had it on sale last Christmas season.
Overall I have spent less on STO than other MMO in the past that have had a monthly fee.
I do like the fact that you really don't have to pay to play if you are a casual storyline player.
Also if you are a penny pincher like myself you can get free items from various MMO sites
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If one is patient and can wait for the sales and discounts on pack and services, you can certainly get a lot of value of free to play or even pay to play, whichever you choose.
The second, is that everything is unlocked and tied to your account, so why would it be that logging into your account suddenly doesn't accept that you're Player X who has been playing for y and paid Z over that time. That's just stupid. Most of my friends and Fleet mates have dropped the game, because cryptic is clearly worse for Trek than Abrams. With the game coming to two new consoles, why wouldn't players be jumping to a new system?
People with subpar PC's would just jump to a console. With the mistake of not allowing Crossplatforming, PC people would want to go console just to get to a more active version of the game. With Win 10 touting Xbox one capabilities, why wouldn't I want to use that to play with new players or returning friends on their consoles?
To say that "people would be overwhelmed by the higher end players or rich players" is a bit TRIBBLE as well, considering those with the disposable income would be just buying their way to the top anyway (P2W after all).
If everything is bound to our accounts anyway, why can't we use our existing characters and such on the different consoles? Why shoot yourself in the foot by limiting the already shrunken community rather than letting the console communities fill in the gaps and hemorrhages?
There is no way they wouldn't be able to do that unless A) they just didn't care
totally agree, add to this the fact that what has been ported over to consoles has been heavily altered to run on the consoles and this is likely to make the different systems have problems talking to each other and as time goes on and updates are added to all platforms these differences will only grow, even the two console versions will have problems interacting with each other as different updates at different times are added let alone including the PC in this mix.
why do you think there are 3 different platform tabs on the web site, this is so the 3 different platforms can be kept informed on updates and changes as they appear on each of the three platforms, if the 3 platforms were interchangeable why would there be any need for multiple web pages? even players of the two different consoles will not be able to access their accounts on the other consoles.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
> I don't see what the big deal is about "fairness" in having new players match up against people with money spent and superior builds.
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> I get that lots of snowflakes in this game cannot handle things like character death with little-to-no penalty, but if one were to start anew in any MMO that has been around for years, then that person would be in a similar position: new to a game where most of the people you encounter are better equipped and more knowledgeable of the game and its mechanics.
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> Not everyone needs to be on a level playing field, despite what the 5k DPSer crowd says.
Lol. Oh wait you're serious...
Barring that, all purchases and account privledges on my account should be valid on any system or console that I log into. More so, again considering that we're supposedly able to do crossplatforming now, and win 10 is going to make that easier with the X-box. If I can't use my account, purchases, characters and such on a console, I'm not playing on the console. I'm certainly not going to be playing multiple accounts that can't interact either (though there are those with multiple accounts, it's just not for me). Already, they're limiting the player base and dividing them. New blood would be nice, but not if it's already divvied out between three systems instead of just allowing everyone to make things better for all... Which you know... is kind of a theme with Star Trek.
The legacy code for the controller is still in there - a number of CO players prefer using the XBox controller to the keyboard/mouse combo. (I disagree - too many functions have to be mapped to alt-layouts of the controller for my tastes - but de gustibus non disputandem est, you know?)
Judging by the backlash...Cryptic should actually do some research and should know for a fact now that PC gamers like playing on console too. Not asking to swap platforms permanently but being able to switch often is something I'd prefer with my accounts instead of having a forced reset, it certainly put's me off encouraging console fans to play STO, that in a way will decrease the amount of potential new STO players.
My ultimate Doom open world mod:
http://www.moddb.com/games/doom-compile-project
As long as you are fine with starting all over, then you should have no problems switching over to playing STO on the console.
They're compensating.
And not doing a very good job of it, I might add. Shouldn't they be out buying a monster truck with eight inch pipes or a hot rod with eight cylinders, or some other manly man sort of toy? Nope. Not them. They want to show off that US $100.00 dollar(!) pixel collection to a bunch of newbies who've never played STO before. Annnd, said US $100.00 dollar(!) pixel collection can, ahem, "Destroy!" another pixel collection in about zero point five seconds.
Does the L-word apply here? I dunno. It might. Just sayin'. About the crying thing - I just might have some Midol and a spare pair I'm not using at the moment. Along with some extra vertebrae. If someone is in dire need. I know from watching my girlfriend just how bad those cramps can get sometimes. Why, just the other day, I had to get up during Walker:Texas Ranger and (GASP!)
Get My Own Beer!
Then you probably need to think for more than the 2 seconds your childish mind let you focus on this issue.
A lot of people have spent a considerable amount more than $100. LTS is at least $200. Ships are ~$50 EACH.
I'll let you rethink that absurdly low figure you made up.
Of course even this figure pales in comparison with the thousands upon thousands of man hours people have put into grinding out their characters.
From reputations to dil to epic items to missions to fleet holdings. (This was also a 2 second thought, so i'm quite sure there are many more grinds i have missed).
These are the main reason people want to port their stuff from PC to console.
PS. Even though this will probably get me a warning, but anyone that has to mention how awesome they are on the internet by mentioning they have a girlfriend AND drink alcohol, is DEFINITELY compensating. You are either a 12 year old who has had neither, and is trying to look cool on a forum, or are a L-Word and this is your first for both.
It is called "Humor". Specifically, schadenfreude.Although I am unsure the spelling is correct. Maybe you should try it sometime. It is relaxing, good for body and the spirit, and has health benefits as well. At 54 years old my mind may be childlike some times. But it is never childish. And I picked that 'absurdly low' figure because to someone living in Dad's basement while working at the Pizza Runt really would think US $100.00 is a lot of money.
It is a reasonable guess I spend more than two seconds thinking about things as well.
As to worrying about the warning, you shouldn't. I've posted far worse. So even here, you're second.
BTW, since I am well past the legal drinking age, it is acceptable for me to drink adult beverages. And have a girlfriend. Again, you missed the mark due to your obvious inability to correctly understand the useage and properties of humor. All that part? It is supposed to be a different kind of humor. This kind is called 'hyperbole'. A wild exaggeration to make a point. Having to explain it all takes all the funny right out of it for us normal humans.
tl;dr version:
If your going to be dumb enough to pull up a chair and sit down smack dab in the middle of my crosshairs, I am going to take the shot. I cannot help myself. It is a long used and well honed reflex. Now why don't you carry your overly sanctimonious hindquarters somewhere else and quit bothering the nice people by making a public donkey's rear end out of yourself over things which are clearly beyond your understanding?
I am old and very childlike and ish!
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
His life, if he wants it to be that way so be it. I personally feel it's probably the smart move off the bat so new players aren't run roughshod over by veteran players.
They said it's not going to happen NOW, but who knows maybe 6 months in or so once the new players have figured out how to do things they might open it up for cross play.
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http://forum.arcgames.com/startrekonline/discussion/1145998/star-trek-battles-channel-got-canon/p1
A few people complaining (or rather - whining) on the forums and game's reddit is no backlash.
Just curious, but why not just put the monthly subscription into a fund and when you have the sufficient funds and the LTS is on sale, then purchase it? The monthly rewards for being a Subscriber are just not worth it. Some MMOs try to force us to be subscribers and some MMOs like STO try to force us to go F2P. Just subscribe for a month or two whenever you need to level up a character.
The EC Cap increase can be permanently taken care of with a 500 Zen purchase. The other subscriber benefits like Account Bank and Inventory slots aren't removed AFAIK when you go F2P. Been a Lifer for the entire time so not entirely sure what happens when the Subscription is cancelled here. Supporting the game is a very good reason to do it. Just too bad that there is no personal benefit for subscribing for over 1000 days. Would have been nice if there was a Veteran Reward for 1500 days and 2000 days.
They make a wondrous mess of things. Brave amateurs, they do their part.
Digital Extremes made a one-time-offer for PC-players of Warframe to migrate their PC-accounts to the console back when they announced Warframe coming to PS4.
Imagine PWE/Cryptic might do the same.
sorry for that lol, but i agree with some guys here ,i beleve that only console player should pay for the expansion ,after all that all there is new in this game,are people stupid enough to pay 300$ just to get new skin and 6 episode?and what after,we will get 1 new episode every 3 mouth ,i have already pay around 800$if not more of expansion and 1000+++ of dollars to upgrade console weapon buy ship ect and now they expect me to pay again 300$ us,to start all over again,just for 6 episode ha keep dreaming.
Not sure they "hate gamers"...on the contrary they "LOVE" money. Devs not at fault but MR. EP and management for going this way with STO. They only see metrics and $$$ signs everywhere. They think players are so naive they wont care to spend 2x the amount of money on same content. Upon getting an LTS, there is nowhere saying that you only get an LTS for "PC" since at that time there was no other platform. Hence, any agreements should be carried forward from PC to the other platforms.
Heck at least show some discount or throw a bone for sustaining this game through they years. Gold and LTS should definitely get a much better start than this. Shame on whoever made this decision and hope their greed serves them well when they see empty queues in both platforms a year from now.
Your argument is based on faulty basis. Look, if you bought a Queen 8-track it doesn't mean you get the free Queen vinyl, Cassette, CD, MP3, or the rights to it on every media mechanism that plays it (I deserve free Sirius, free Pandora, free, free free).
This is a game for us. It is a business for them. More power to them if they can expand it into growing markets. Thank heavens they are continuing to support it on the older tech. Been to a Gamestop lately? Seen the PC game selection?
Hell, it is a six year old game that has gone through a ton of difficult challenges. Wasn't too long ago we were all afraid that game was going to go dark but of course, how quickly we forget. To us this is a game but to the folks behind the scene, it is a profession feeding their families, paying mortgages, and maintaining stock holders.
These guys working on this game deserve praise not the constant flame wars that go on.
News Flash: You do not have to have cross platform interation to have PC account carry over to console.
News Flash: Having more experienced PC players playing on a console will help the console as they will be able to assit new influx of console players.
News Flash: Other PC only MMO's that opened up into the console market such as ESO allowed PC players for a limited time to transfer there account to the console and the world didn't end and it actually helped the game as there were many veteran players there able to assit the new players coming in on the console.
News Flash: Them not allowing you to transfer your account to Console has nothing to do with Microsoft or Sony... this is 100% Perfect Worlds choice.
I personally believe that they are making a mistake not allowing PC players to transfer to console if they wish. The only reason they are not allowing PC accounts to transfer is do to them wanting to get money again from the few PC players that may transfer... The sad part is they most likely would make more money allowing transfers as it will keep those player engaged in the game instead of being disgruntled over it.