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jackal1701apw wrote: »They are currently character unlock...
But really SHOULD be account unlock...in fact I cannot stress more how much they SHOULD BE ACCOUNT UNLOCK
Dev's please read this!
I have some nice starship traits on my romulan toon. I'd also like to do a Klingon new character, but I'm not going to buy more ships for the same traits. Not going to be any change? I think the players who have cross-faction characters would be very welcome.
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But even if my Fed ship traits are only and automatically accessible to all my Fed characters (and not to my Ferasan and Romulan), it would still be an improvement. I've got ships that I only bought for the traits, like the Command battlecruiser. The ship itself isn't that interesting to me, so basically being forced to spend time in it on each character you want to use the trait on, a trait that you already paid for, is slightly annoying.
The game should (and since the change to F2P it always has) require(d) the player 'pay for' or 'grind for' something you want. You either pay real life money or you invest time in something. Paying 3000 zen for a ship and still having to grind its trait and its mastery goes against that fundamental principle. You're basically paying twice for the same product, since you're buying the ship with Zen and you still have to 'buy' some of its characteristics by spending time on it.
Further, there are ships like escorts with traits that don't suit some of my characters at all. It's also strange and immersion suffers if you have to change ships four or five times after you reach level 50 if you want to maximise the utility from the stuff you bought.
All starship traits from lobi and lock box ships would have to be obtained per character, as well as traits that come straight from lock boxes without being tied to any particular ship.
It is a bit annoying having to grind out the same starship trait on multiple characters, when I only had to pay for the ship once. Especially when it's a trait I want for a character but have no desire to use that type of ship for that character. It's a bit of a hassle to claim the ship, grind out the trait, then dismiss the ship afterwards. I'd rather claim and dismiss ships I don't want to use only for the admirality cards.
Just my 2 energy credits.
Sorry but it's just another example of 'Generation Entitlement' and just plain lazy.
Well that's rather pessimistic. Put down the tinfoil.
What would it hurt? C-store ships only have to be purchased once, so it's not like players would stop buying ships. And event reputation ships are given to us for free, as long as you're willing to do the daily task to earn it. Even if you spend lobi to get the currency for the event ship, you'd still only have to obtain it once.
It's kinda rude to come in here and call us "entitled" when all we're doing is offering a suggestion that could, ultimately, benefit everyone, including you.
We have to start out asking for everything. This way we can negotiate to get what we actually want. If we ask for only what we want, we'd get less, or nothing at all. (I learned that in a Delta Rising episode
I don't know a single player that paid to level his characters to 60. This comparison makes no sense, at all.
It's not lazy, it's simply reasonable. You paid for an account or faction-wide ship, you could (given general rules such as grind OR pay instead of grind AND pay) reasonably expect to be able to use the full ship on characters of that faction. Not having to grind its mastery again when you already paid that extra 500 zen (compared to a T5) for it.
It's basically the same reason why people don't like it when one piece of an otherwise C-store related console set belongs to a ship that's no longer obtainable: you're paying the full price for a product, but you're not getting the full product, not without spending again (time) on it to get it. Requesting such a thing to be corrected and to instantly get the benefits you already paid for is not unreasonable, nor lazy.
So yeah, bottom line: of course people feel entitled to get the stuff they paid for.
I would assume there are others like me who would buy lobi/lockbox account bound ships that don't now. The question is, would that balance what you'd think the current demand is? How many accounts buy a lobi/lockbox ship for more than 1 or 2 of their toons anyway? I'd believe the % of account users that buy the same ship for every one of their toons is near 0%.
You spend 30 dollars on a ship, the trait is just a bonus. I said this earlier today, Cryptic generally hides their p2w like a parent hides veggies from a picky eater. They are not selling the trait, they are selling a new ship skin/an alt boff seating/ship cards/that fan favorite ship you like from a faction that is not playable/space barbie. If they did start flat out selling traits in the c-store then I hope a jump to level 60 is next.
This isn't about selling traits. What we are asking is for some starship traits to be made as an account-wide unlock, after you complete the starship mastery through normal gameplay on a single character. As it is right now, for example, if you want the T6 Defiant starship trait on more than 1 character you actually have to claim the ship on each alt and play the game to unlock it. But if you don't actually want to use the ship afterwards you'll wind up dismissing it. It causes a lot of extra grind for something you already payed for and already worked to unlock. C-store ships you pay for only once, so you already have access to the starship traits without paying any extra for your alts, but you have to grind to unlock the trait on alts. If you don't actually want to use the ship on an alt, why should you have to grind to unlock the trait when you've already unlocked it on another character? Personally I find it a waste of time having to unlock a starship trait while using a ship I don't want, then switch to the ship I actually do want to use.
It ends up making the game feel too repetitive in regards to our alt characters, and like the game is more of a job than fun.
As a more balanced middle ground, maybe unlocking a ship skill could add it to your account's dilithium store and you could pay 200k dilithium or something similar to unlock it on another captain. That would drain some currency out of the game.
Still, I wouldn't argue against having the trait be an account-wide unlock. It wouldn't hurt anything and if it doesn't help some of your Captains then you just don't choose it for that Captain.
As long as people don't start asking that the rep traits be account-wide unlocks. Not that I think that's even doable since that's tied in to rep grinding.
If we follow the "I pay for the ship I should get the trait without grinding" logic to its end then you paid for a t6 ship that captains level 49 and lower can't use so an auto jump to level 50 for every character on your account should come with a t6 ship
The OP is not asking to have anything sped up or bypassed, he's asking for what he bought to be usable on his account, and he's right.
Example: You buy the Presidio Command Cruiser which comes with the trait All Hands On Deck.
If you now play a Romulan, even Fed aligned.. you don't have All Hands on Deck, you have to buy the Vastam for that. What he's asking is that traits be applied to the account, he never says he won't level the ship again to get it. The request has absolutely nothing to do with avoiding grind. One guy decided to take a perfectly reasonable request and respond by being a jerk and everyone is following him down the rabbit hole.
I agree that the request will never happen, they want you to buy more ships to get the traits for all factions. I would love to see the request granted, but there is absolutely no chance it will be.
That is still doing the same thing just now it attacks that sweet sweet lockbox money but hey, I say do it. I paid for the leech and it should be usable for free on all characters on my account.
If I were the type of player who piles everything on one main, boom, I've got the Time to Kill trait on all my captains. 100% availability. But I'm not. I like playing alts and that means all but one of my captains are hosed (leaving me with around 14% availability). If I could pay 250 thousand dilithium PER CAPTAIN to unlock Time to Kill on my other characters that would give me a fantastic but also fair new dilithium sink and people might start buying enough zeni to trade for dilithium to put a real dent in the rising exchange rates... Suddenly I'd have around a million and a half in new dilithium goals. If I were a 'gotta have it now' kind of player that's an easy 50 bucks Cryptic just made. Off a ship I already own.
That helps the game in every way.
Any way the reason it wont happen is metrics. They want you to have to play the game. So by having the Ship Traits character unlock only you then have to play each character to unlock that trait. If they gave it too you as an account unlock that is less time you play the game.
On top of that since T6 ships only have the traits, they are locked behind the faction. In the case of Romulans, they would have access to two factions worth of traits. This also hurts sales of the Crossfaction trait boxes which come from Lock boxes.
While I agree that it would be a great improvement, I also understand why they can't do this.
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MMOs change. It's actually one of their strengths.
Having to earn or buy 1.5 million dilithium isn't playing the game less. If anything its a reason to play the game MORE.
No one's been derailing anything. Some of those who replied here simply didn't agree with the proposal or maybe they agreed it would be a nice change but they didn't see it happening for various reasons such as ship sales. Which is why they suggested more (IMO) reasonable alternatives where such things as the ship sale argument would play no role.
That's hardly derailing a thread, as these suggestions were made for clear reasons and in response to the topic, while continuing on that same topic: starship traits and their availability for characters that aren't flying the same ship, for whatever reasons (be it that the ship is simply not available on a specific character or that he hasn't flown it). Or are we only allowed to reply to a topic if we entirely agree or disagree about something, with no options to suggest alternatives that are clearly related to the topic and made in response to the OP?
If these suggestions have caused confusion then I'm pretty sure , and assuming that I'm the 'jerk' that you were referring to I'm entirely sure, that derailing this thread was not the intention. And, again, it has not happened. Even if it happened, you know where the report button is and that a moderator would have taken care of it if, in their opinion, it was indeed considered derailing the thread. Instead you're calling other people jerks now because you incorrectly assume you know their intentions. You may want to reconsider doing such things.
You're not.
That would be only a z-store ships. These overpowered traits such as invincible and supremacy would still be bound to character.
I will use myself as an example... Prior to the previous ship sale, I was looking to purchase a ship with a good trait for my captains flying the T6 Kor BoP. It comes with that Withering Barrage trait which is not really that good for a BoP captain. It is much more appropriate for the T6 Mat'ha Raptor which has the mostly useless Overwhelming Force trait... use that on ships that's being bunch up with a GW and you are likely to TRIBBLE people off. While I was planning on only purchasing one ship, I ultimately decided to purchase the KDF T6 Flagship Pack because the Martok has Super Charged Weapons (SCW) and the Gorkon has Checkmate. Both of those traits will enhance my science and tactical BoP captains while my of KDF captains will benefit definitely benefit from SCW.
Now I am considering getting those same ship traits for my Fed and Romulan captains. If those traits were unlocked account wide, then that would be great for me since I do not need to purchase the T6 Flagship packs for those factions. Thus, saving me from spending 9,600 Zen or the equivalent of $96 (during a ship sale); a combination of real month and dil exchanged for Zen. That a pretty decent amount of potential revenue for Cryptic to loose from a single player.
Suppose if account unlocked ship traits can be purchased from the C-Store for say something like 2,000 Zen or $20, that could set up a bad precedence. Cryptic could start selling new T6 Starships with "useless" traits. To get the most out of your ship purchase at that point, you may also need to purchase a "better" ship trait from the C-Store as well. Thus, players end up spending more real money / exchanging more refined Dil for Zen. That latter could drive up the Dil to Zen exchange rate even more... say maybe something like a 400:1 ratio.
I doubt very much that someone buys those traits, which already has at its prime character on his alt for that crazy price (f.e. a whole new game Fallout 4 is for 27€ on Steam). In addition, i said i don't want a discount for free. That 250k dil (735Z currently) of what somebody would have suggested i think was the right price for single trait unlock.
I tend to look at things from an analytical point of view from both sides (gamer / developer). Being able to purchase an account wide unlocked ship trait would be great for gamers, but detrimental for Cryptic since it would cannibalize ship sales which is likely one of Cryptic's main source of revenue. I didn't say you wanted the unlock for free, but I did mention that perhaps the price could be 2,000 Zen for the unlock.
Regardless, offering account wide unlocked ship traits is not a good strategic move for Cryptic since it can lower future revenues. I say can because not every gamer will buy ships solely to get access to a specific ship trait. Though, several people have mentioned to me that I should buy the ships that has the All Hands On Deck trait since they say it one of the best ship trait you can get from a C-Store ship.
One thing I hope Cryptic will do though is to not increase the price of ships when T7 ships are introduced. I am sure no one will want to see a 3,500 Zen price tag on a ship. It would be nice if they simply capped the price at 3,000 Zen and then reduce the price on the lower tiered ships.
Personally, I have 3 captains that I consider my primary captains; one in each faction. The other captains on my account fall into either secondary, tertiary and lastly adjunct categories. Therefore, if I want to keep my primaries on equal ground, I need to eventually purchase the T6 flagships for the Fed faction (likely later this year) and Romulan faction (next year) through a combination of real money (50%) and Dil for Zen (50%).
As for Fallout 4... yeah, it is a great game. It is the only game I bought in 2015. I played it exclusively when it was first released (Legendary difficulty was a joke back then) until about halfway into STO's Winter Event 2015. I got the Event Ship with one day to spare. Now I switch between STO and FO4.