Basically cannibalizing gameplay to sell starships, consoles, and lockboxes.
It's a business. People voted with their wallets and that's what's profitable. Unprofitable games die, it's that simple.
from a GAME standpoint, every decision since 2012 has been to narrow those minority factions down and recycle justifications not to deal with them.
As someone who bought STO with the intention of primarily playing KDF.... I think you're making this worse rather than better. If you REALLY want more KDF ships vote with your wallet. Whimpering on the forum accomplishes nothing. Also, "I'm not buying it because the stats suck." is the same as telling Cryptic you don't want them to develop more KDF ships...
actually it's telling them it's ok to sell me trash then demand I be grantful for trash.
buying good ships tell them what is wanted.
and companies worried about profit don't ignore nearly a 3rd of their fanbase.
It's not like every Federation ship knocks it out of the park.
Heck, remember all those Galaxy Class threads before the Andromeda?
Cryptic used to be pretty bad at actually designing ships with highly sought after mechanical features, only in the last few years they started getting better at it (and doing it deliberately to sell Romulan ships and lockbox/promo stuff). People love to bring up the Gorn Science Vessel there, but that's a time where they also released ships like the Nebula or D'Kyr with subpar stats. It took months or years for them to improve those ships.
But Feds buy ships anyway in good numbers, even if the stats are subpar. Especially any canon ship variant, because they have strong emotional attachment to these. But there are only something like 4 or 5 canon Klingon vessels in the entire Star Trek canon.
If you think not buying KDF or RR ships is a way to tell Cryptic what you want, you'll only succeed if in telling them you don't want KDF or RR ships. More nuanced messages will not reach them.
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
and companies worried about profit don't ignore nearly a 3rd of their fanbase.
They're not ignoring that fan base. They're just not prioritizing it and putting it at the top of the list. That creates the disparity and the long standing complaint/criticism.
While I agree with the complaint, I do understand their actions and how it got this way.
I'm afraid I must disagree, selling almost nothing is not prioritizing. selling nothing is ignoring.
the sad this is they could just sell a t6 d-7 to roms and kdf as a token effort. and it would look like their at least pretending to try.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
Basically cannibalizing gameplay to sell starships, consoles, and lockboxes.
It's a business. People voted with their wallets and that's what's profitable. Unprofitable games die, it's that simple.
from a GAME standpoint, every decision since 2012 has been to narrow those minority factions down and recycle justifications not to deal with them.
As someone who bought STO with the intention of primarily playing KDF.... I think you're making this worse rather than better. If you REALLY want more KDF ships vote with your wallet. Whimpering on the forum accomplishes nothing. Also, "I'm not buying it because the stats suck." is the same as telling Cryptic you don't want them to develop more KDF ships...
actually it's telling them it's ok to sell me trash then demand I be grantful for trash.
buying good ships tell them what is wanted.
and companies worried about profit don't ignore nearly a 3rd of their fanbase.
It's not like every Federation ship knocks it out of the park.
Heck, remember all those Galaxy Class threads before the Andromeda?
Cryptic used to be pretty bad at actually designing ships with highly sought after mechanical features, only in the last few years they started getting better at it (and doing it deliberately to sell Romulan ships and lockbox/promo stuff). People love to bring up the Gorn Science Vessel there, but that's a time where they also released ships like the Nebula or D'Kyr with subpar stats. It took months or years for them to improve those ships.
But Feds buy ships anyway in good numbers, even if the stats are subpar. Especially any canon ship variant, because they have strong emotional attachment to these. But there are only something like 4 or 5 canon Klingon vessels in the entire Star Trek canon.
If you think not buying KDF or RR ships is a way to tell Cryptic what you want, you'll only succeed if in telling them you don't want KDF or RR ships. More nuanced messages will not reach them.
please the only message they get is the one they want to hear.
though, personally I would love to see the the numbers on how many ship get sold per person of each faction. not the metrics the real numbers it could be interesting.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
and companies worried about profit don't ignore nearly a 3rd of their fanbase.
They're not ignoring that fan base. They're just not prioritizing it and putting it at the top of the list. That creates the disparity and the long standing complaint/criticism.
While I agree with the complaint, I do understand their actions and how it got this way.
I'm afraid I must disagree, selling almost nothing is not prioritizing. selling nothing is ignoring.
the sad this is they could just sell a t6 d-7 to roms and kdf as a token effort. and it would look like their at least pretending to try.
Thing is, they are selling something. Not much of it, but something. Which means they aren't ignoring the fan base. They just aren't designing for them with a high priority. Which fits exactly what they've been saying for 6 years. They love them some Klingons (there's quite a few devs that have said exactly that). But they're not going to put the Kllingons first. On anything. Pretty much ever.
So the complaint is, 6 years into this, there's a huge disparity between the federation and the klingons in terms of ships, missions, uniforms ... content. But they keep saying that they won't/can't/don't put Klingons first in terms of ships, missions, uniforms ... content.
As a fan of those things, I don't like that. But I will concede that they've been pretty up front about that and their explanation for why they do it. I disagree with their plan and overall strategy. But they've made it really clear to me to the point where I'm not going to blast them for doing what they have essentially told us they are doing.
My strategy moving forward is to put forth new ideas or support new ideas that the rest of you guys come up with that involve Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians and everything else. Because by supporting the ideas and the discussion on those ideas, eventually that stuff too may make it into the game.
I'm done lashing out at Cryptic's team for doing what they said they would (or in this case wouldn't do). Instead I'm going to say "Yeah, that idea for that new Klingon ship, is something I too would like to play."
You guys can do what you feel is the right thing to do here. We do agree that the complaint about the disparity has merit. I just don't want to let that complaint get me all worked up anymore.
and companies worried about profit don't ignore nearly a 3rd of their fanbase.
They're not ignoring that fan base. They're just not prioritizing it and putting it at the top of the list. That creates the disparity and the long standing complaint/criticism.
While I agree with the complaint, I do understand their actions and how it got this way.
I'm afraid I must disagree, selling almost nothing is not prioritizing. selling nothing is ignoring.
the sad this is they could just sell a t6 d-7 to roms and kdf as a token effort. and it would look like their at least pretending to try.
Thing is, they are selling something. Not much of it, but something. Which means they aren't ignoring the fan base. They just aren't designing for them with a high priority. Which fits exactly what they've been saying for 6 years. They love them some Klingons (there's quite a few devs that have said exactly that). But they're not going to put the Kllingons first. On anything. Pretty much ever.
So the complaint is, 6 years into this, there's a huge disparity between the federation and the klingons in terms of ships, missions, uniforms ... content. But they keep saying that they won't/can't/don't put Klingons first in terms of ships, missions, uniforms ... content.
As a fan of those things, I don't like that. But I will concede that they've been pretty up front about that and their explanation for why they do it. I disagree with their plan and overall strategy. But they've made it really clear to me to the point where I'm not going to blast them for doing what they have essentially told us they are doing.
My strategy moving forward is to put forth new ideas or support new ideas that the rest of you guys come up with that involve Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians and everything else. Because by supporting the ideas and the discussion on those ideas, eventually that stuff too may make it into the game.
I'm done lashing out at Cryptic's team for doing what they said they would (or in this case wouldn't do). Instead I'm going to say "Yeah, that idea for that new Klingon ship, is something I too would like to play."
You guys can do what you feel is the right thing to do here. We do agree that the complaint about the disparity has merit. I just don't want to let that complaint get me all worked up anymore.
you know what tell me one thing just one thing for just kdf or roms in AoY I'll say your right. please.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
and companies worried about profit don't ignore nearly a 3rd of their fanbase.
They're not ignoring that fan base. They're just not prioritizing it and putting it at the top of the list. That creates the disparity and the long standing complaint/criticism.
While I agree with the complaint, I do understand their actions and how it got this way.
I'm afraid I must disagree, selling almost nothing is not prioritizing. selling nothing is ignoring.
the sad this is they could just sell a t6 d-7 to roms and kdf as a token effort. and it would look like their at least pretending to try.
Thing is, they are selling something. Not much of it, but something. Which means they aren't ignoring the fan base. They just aren't designing for them with a high priority. Which fits exactly what they've been saying for 6 years. They love them some Klingons (there's quite a few devs that have said exactly that). But they're not going to put the Kllingons first. On anything. Pretty much ever.
So the complaint is, 6 years into this, there's a huge disparity between the federation and the klingons in terms of ships, missions, uniforms ... content. But they keep saying that they won't/can't/don't put Klingons first in terms of ships, missions, uniforms ... content.
As a fan of those things, I don't like that. But I will concede that they've been pretty up front about that and their explanation for why they do it. I disagree with their plan and overall strategy. But they've made it really clear to me to the point where I'm not going to blast them for doing what they have essentially told us they are doing.
My strategy moving forward is to put forth new ideas or support new ideas that the rest of you guys come up with that involve Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians and everything else. Because by supporting the ideas and the discussion on those ideas, eventually that stuff too may make it into the game.
I'm done lashing out at Cryptic's team for doing what they said they would (or in this case wouldn't do). Instead I'm going to say "Yeah, that idea for that new Klingon ship, is something I too would like to play."
You guys can do what you feel is the right thing to do here. We do agree that the complaint about the disparity has merit. I just don't want to let that complaint get me all worked up anymore.
you know what tell me one thing just one thing for just kdf or roms in AoY I'll say your right. please.
Faction agnostic temporal vessels that looks like their designs are an evolution of the romulan engineers in the 28th century (especially the raider) and not the flat pancake looks or pizza cutter looks of the federation inspired ships? One of them's a science ship right? And an effective T6 science ship was something both the KDF and the Romulan Republic kind of need at T6?
and companies worried about profit don't ignore nearly a 3rd of their fanbase.
They're not ignoring that fan base. They're just not prioritizing it and putting it at the top of the list. That creates the disparity and the long standing complaint/criticism.
While I agree with the complaint, I do understand their actions and how it got this way.
I'm afraid I must disagree, selling almost nothing is not prioritizing. selling nothing is ignoring.
the sad this is they could just sell a t6 d-7 to roms and kdf as a token effort. and it would look like their at least pretending to try.
Thing is, they are selling something. Not much of it, but something. Which means they aren't ignoring the fan base. They just aren't designing for them with a high priority. Which fits exactly what they've been saying for 6 years. They love them some Klingons (there's quite a few devs that have said exactly that). But they're not going to put the Kllingons first. On anything. Pretty much ever.
So the complaint is, 6 years into this, there's a huge disparity between the federation and the klingons in terms of ships, missions, uniforms ... content. But they keep saying that they won't/can't/don't put Klingons first in terms of ships, missions, uniforms ... content.
As a fan of those things, I don't like that. But I will concede that they've been pretty up front about that and their explanation for why they do it. I disagree with their plan and overall strategy. But they've made it really clear to me to the point where I'm not going to blast them for doing what they have essentially told us they are doing.
My strategy moving forward is to put forth new ideas or support new ideas that the rest of you guys come up with that involve Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians and everything else. Because by supporting the ideas and the discussion on those ideas, eventually that stuff too may make it into the game.
I'm done lashing out at Cryptic's team for doing what they said they would (or in this case wouldn't do). Instead I'm going to say "Yeah, that idea for that new Klingon ship, is something I too would like to play."
You guys can do what you feel is the right thing to do here. We do agree that the complaint about the disparity has merit. I just don't want to let that complaint get me all worked up anymore.
you know what tell me one thing just one thing for just kdf or roms in AoY I'll say your right. please.
Faction agnostic temporal vessels that looks like their designs are an evolution of the romulan engineers in the 28th century (especially the raider) and not the flat pancake looks or pizza cutter looks of the federation inspired ships? One of them's a science ship right? And an effective T6 science ship was something both the KDF and the Romulan Republic kind of need at T6?
cross faction not just for any one. please prove me wrong.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
you know what tell me one thing just one thing for just kdf or roms in AoY I'll say your right. please.
You're saying only EXCLUSIVE content for KDF and Roms is valid. Not shared content. Even though I can enjoy playing Temporal Front in my Mat'Ha just as much as in my Scryer.
Sorry, aside from C-Store ships and costumes now and then you are out of luck. Shared endgame content is what Cryptic has said we will be getting (aside from this new low-level Fed-TOS faction story). If you just can't accept that then I guess STO is not the game for you anymore.
you know what tell me one thing just one thing for just kdf or roms in AoY I'll say your right. please.
You're saying only EXCLUSIVE content for KDF and Roms is valid. Not shared content. Even though I can enjoy playing Temporal Front in my Mat'Ha just as much as in my Scryer.
Sorry, aside from C-Store ships and costumes now and then you are out of luck. Shared endgame content is what Cryptic has said we will be getting. If you just can't accept that then I guess STO is not the game for you anymore.
ship, costume, and video of certain dev screaming we're inferior scum, anything just as long as it not for feds in any way. normally I'ld say name 3 thing but I'm feeling extra nice today.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
you know what tell me one thing just one thing for just kdf or roms in AoY I'll say your right. please.
You're saying only EXCLUSIVE content for KDF and Roms is valid. Not shared content. Even though I can enjoy playing Temporal Front in my Mat'Ha just as much as in my Scryer.
Sorry, aside from C-Store ships and costumes now and then you are out of luck. Shared endgame content is what Cryptic has said we will be getting. If you just can't accept that then I guess STO is not the game for you anymore.
ship, costume, and video of certain dev screaming we're inferior scum, anything just as long as it not for feds in any way. normally I'ld say name 3 thing but I'm feeling extra nice today.
Then: Can I Haz Ur Stuffs?
Rom and KDF are getting shared content, not exclusive content.
you know what tell me one thing just one thing for just kdf or roms in AoY I'll say your right. please.
You're saying only EXCLUSIVE content for KDF and Roms is valid. Not shared content. Even though I can enjoy playing Temporal Front in my Mat'Ha just as much as in my Scryer.
Sorry, aside from C-Store ships and costumes now and then you are out of luck. Shared endgame content is what Cryptic has said we will be getting. If you just can't accept that then I guess STO is not the game for you anymore.
ship, costume, and video of certain dev screaming we're inferior scum, anything just as long as it not for feds in any way. normally I'ld say name 3 thing but I'm feeling extra nice today.
Then: Can I Haz Ur Stuffs?
Rom and KDF are getting shared content, not exclusive content.
I didn't say I was leaving so shame on you for doing that wrong. :P
I actually enjoy the game itself the company just gets annoying.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
so far off topic the topic cant be seen anymore :P @snoggymack22 he asked for something specifically for kdf or rom not faction agnostic lazy stuff
Why should he bother do jump through your hoops of arbitrary definition?
Why does it have to be faction restricted?
If you get Klingon or Romulan stuff and the Feds get it to, does it not help you get a better Klingon or Romulan experience?
Calling them "lazy" for trying to invent a 31st century design that could fit Klingon or Romulan concepts? Sure, call them lazy when they are trying to be creative, both art wise and business wise to present some faction support. Good luck with that.
Going beyond ships?
Don't you realize why it was Kagran and Q'onos that featured so heavily in the Iconian arc and stories? Why New Romulus is under attack all the time? Because they want to show off these factions and remind us that these are important parts of the Star Trek universe! They could have focused it all on the Federation, with a Starfleet officer leading the war effort (exactly as it was in Deep Space Nine, when it was Sisko that planned the retaking of DS9).
Because they want to give something to players that are interested in the Klingons and Romulans. If they can't sell it directly, at least they can show it off and use it to attract players with content.
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
and companies worried about profit don't ignore nearly a 3rd of their fanbase.
They're not ignoring that fan base. They're just not prioritizing it and putting it at the top of the list. That creates the disparity and the long standing complaint/criticism.
While I agree with the complaint, I do understand their actions and how it got this way.
I'm afraid I must disagree, selling almost nothing is not prioritizing. selling nothing is ignoring.
the sad this is they could just sell a t6 d-7 to roms and kdf as a token effort. and it would look like their at least pretending to try.
Thing is, they are selling something. Not much of it, but something. Which means they aren't ignoring the fan base. They just aren't designing for them with a high priority. Which fits exactly what they've been saying for 6 years. They love them some Klingons (there's quite a few devs that have said exactly that). But they're not going to put the Kllingons first. On anything. Pretty much ever.
So the complaint is, 6 years into this, there's a huge disparity between the federation and the klingons in terms of ships, missions, uniforms ... content. But they keep saying that they won't/can't/don't put Klingons first in terms of ships, missions, uniforms ... content.
As a fan of those things, I don't like that. But I will concede that they've been pretty up front about that and their explanation for why they do it. I disagree with their plan and overall strategy. But they've made it really clear to me to the point where I'm not going to blast them for doing what they have essentially told us they are doing.
My strategy moving forward is to put forth new ideas or support new ideas that the rest of you guys come up with that involve Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians and everything else. Because by supporting the ideas and the discussion on those ideas, eventually that stuff too may make it into the game.
I'm done lashing out at Cryptic's team for doing what they said they would (or in this case wouldn't do). Instead I'm going to say "Yeah, that idea for that new Klingon ship, is something I too would like to play."
You guys can do what you feel is the right thing to do here. We do agree that the complaint about the disparity has merit. I just don't want to let that complaint get me all worked up anymore.
you know what tell me one thing just one thing for just kdf or roms in AoY I'll say your right. please.
Faction agnostic temporal vessels that looks like their designs are an evolution of the romulan engineers in the 28th century (especially the raider) and not the flat pancake looks or pizza cutter looks of the federation inspired ships? One of them's a science ship right? And an effective T6 science ship was something both the KDF and the Romulan Republic kind of need at T6?
cross faction not just for any one. please prove me wrong.
I'm not out to prove you wrong and never was.
I missed the last event ship. Having a T6 science vessel that I can use on my KDF and Romulan characters is something I personally will enjoy.
Your mileage varies. I can't define your fun. And am not even trying to.
so far off topic the topic cant be seen anymore :P @snoggymack22 he asked for something specifically for kdf or rom not faction agnostic lazy stuff
Let's get really technical here. In the 28th Century, the KDF and the Romulans are part of the only faction that exists, fighting against the sphere builders. That's not lazy design. That's canon.
Going beyond ships?
Don't you realize why it was Kagran and Q'onos that featured so heavily in the Iconian arc and stories? Why New Romulus is under attack all the time? Because they want to show off these factions and remind us that these are important parts of the Star Trek universe! They could have focused it all on the Federation, with a Starfleet officer leading the war effort (exactly as it was in Deep Space Nine, when it was Sisko that planned the retaking of DS9).
Because they want to give something to players that are interested in the Klingons and Romulans. If they can't sell it directly, at least they can show it off and use it to attract players with content.
That's a very good point about how the writers have made the Klingon and Romulan factions a major focus in many of the shared episodes. We also had the death of Kahless, not exactly a "Federation only" moment.
They can't do that for the TOS level up stories, but we can hope for more such content in the new endgame stories. It's just not going to be episodes that ONLY Roms or KDF are allowed to play.
so far off topic the topic cant be seen anymore :P @snoggymack22 he asked for something specifically for kdf or rom not faction agnostic lazy stuff
Why should he bother do jump through your hoops of arbitrary definition?
Why does it have to be faction restricted?
If you get Klingon or Romulan stuff and the Feds get it to, does it not help you get a better Klingon or Romulan experience?
Calling them "lazy" for trying to invent a 31st century design that could fit Klingon or Romulan concepts? Sure, call them lazy when they are trying to be creative, both art wise and business wise to present some faction support. Good luck with that.
Going beyond ships?
Don't you realize why it was Kagran and Q'onos that featured so heavily in the Iconian arc and stories? Why New Romulus is under attack all the time? Because they want to show off these factions and remind us that these are important parts of the Star Trek universe! They could have focused it all on the Federation, with a Starfleet officer leading the war effort (exactly as it was in Deep Space Nine, when it was Sisko that planned the retaking of DS9).
Because they want to give something to players that are interested in the Klingons and Romulans. If they can't sell it directly, at least they can show it off and use it to attract players with content.
lets see for a moment, lead a failed attack thats cost countless lives... hmm, I wonder why they wouldn't want a fed leading that. q'onos and new romlus being victims, end of the arc when we finally see kagan do something again? he us peaching federation ideas. your right I and very grateful for that.
because feds get a whole lot of faction restricted stuff in AoY and your telling me one thing not for feds is too much to ask for? for last we heard nearly a 3rd of the fanbase one thing is too much?
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
lets see for a moment, lead a failed attack thats cost countless lives... hmm, I wonder why they wouldn't want a fed leading that. q'onos and new romlus being victims, end of the arc when we finally see kagan do something again? he us peaching federation ideas. your right I and very grateful for that.
You seem to think that if they had picked a Federation Captain, they would have written a different story line? I think it was pretty clear that the Iconian War was set up as unbeatable by "conventional" means.
But inside the story, Kagran's failed attack makes a lot of sense to me. You have to realize that the Alliance was losing ships constantly. The only way to beat the Iconians has always been to either kill all the Iconians or destroy their gateway network. And the only place where that could be attempted was in the Herald Sphere. Waiting only meant having less ships at your disposal for a task that already was impossible enough.
And Kagran didn't preach Federation ideas. He argued very much in Klingon terms. Klingon are not blood-thirsty, amoral murderers that kill children in their sleep so they can't grow up to beat you in a fair fight.
because feds get a whole lot of faction restricted stuff in AoY and your telling me one thing not for feds is too much to ask for? for last we heard nearly a 3rd of the fanbase one thing is too much?
I am telling you it's irrelevant. If Cryptic ends up making more Klingon content if they also sell it to Feds, that's better than having no Klingon content by a mile. If Cryptic made all ships faction agnostic, that might clash with faction identity goals, but if it means I can finally give my Klingon a Tier 6 Vor'Cha or my Gorn a decent Gorn Science Vessel, I'll take it.
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
If you get Klingon or Romulan stuff and the Feds get it to, does it not help you get a better Klingon or Romulan experience?
1)Because now they have found a way to avoid even the effort of giving us our own unique skins on the federation ships they develop.
2)No it does not, I don't have a Romulan character to fly Krenim ships, or fed ships or faction agnostic ships and play faction agnostic content.
My Gorn flies his Fleet Varanus or Mirror Vo'quv most of the time, not a Breen dreadnought. Similarly my under-played fed alts do not often flitter about in Tal Shiar Adapted vessels or Tholian warships.
because feds get a whole lot of faction restricted stuff in AoY and your telling me one thing not for feds is too much to ask for? for last we heard nearly a 3rd of the fanbase one thing is too much?
It's been mentioned in a bunch of threads about Agents of Yesterday already and I'm pretty sure back in the early stages of this thread ... AoY is an exception to the rule. That expansion is being designed for two players and two players only. Myself and daveyny. This expansion includes items that both of us have specifically asked for, for going on 6 years now. I'll let dave tout his glorious victory if he deigns to. But mine is quite satisfying and I revel in how clever it was and how it pulled off.
A T6 Daedalus!
A quick recap:
There are a bunch of people on here who like old canon ships. But are very very strict in which old canon ships they like. And everyone else's tastes and preferences were disregarded at best, and viciously attacked at worst. It's how we ended up with years of Excelsior this, Galaxy that discussion. Realizing this was the direction things were going, I set to work. You see one of my all time favorite ship models is the Daedalus. I like round things. I like retro sci fi. I like the 60s aesthetic. I like all of what AoY is showing us right now on Tribble.
And so I needed to pull the long con here.
Ala Ocean's 11 and the tv series Leverage, I assembled a team.
This team was comprised of some of the leading minds in internet forum warfare as well as some of the biggest and most voracious STO posters the forums have ever seen. Sadly most of them have had action taken against their forum presence. But that was a price each of us were willing to pay to achieve the goals that are now culminating in Agents of Yesterday.
We used to meet in secret. Using old spycraft tactics like microdots and prodigy bulletin boards to share our strategies and secrets. Finally we found our path: The Original Starship Enterprise and the bashfulness that Dan Stahl and Al Rivera have over how Emmert was able to get that ship into the game.
That was our in. Our exploit.
And we set a long con in motion.
YEARS of T6 Connie threads took place. It was the biggest reddest red herring of all time. A Macguffin the likes of which most couldn't even fathom.
And it worked beautifully. Look at the carnage my team of subservise forum commandos have wrought. It's an FCT. It's the primary reason the FCT exists! It's a discussion that has cropped up in almost every JJ-Abrams-Related topic in forum history. It's a discussion that exists in a wide variety of forms be it talking about the Exeter, the Excalibur, the Vesper or other ships like the Defiant vs. The Excelsior, and how the USS Stargazer is a Constellation class ship not a Stargazer class ship. It shows up in discussions about Wolf 359. It's everywhere.
And the whole time the mission: Agents of Yesterday was in motion. Now every member of the cabal had their own agenda and their own things they wanted. Me? I just wanted a T6 Daedalus.
Agents of Yesterday, alas, was never intended to give Romulan or Klingon specific content. It wasn't on the cabal's agenda. I am sorry for that (or is this a case of sorrynotsorry?) ... but I promise you that this expansion is being made to serve the very specific needs of some very specific customers.
And I bet if you got your own cabal together and worked out a much more efficient plan you could get the same done for Klingon content in far less than the almost 6 years it's taken the "Agents of Yesterday" consortium.
We're good, but we're slow.
Good luck. And let us know if you need any advice. Probably should ask before the expansion launches though because once it does, we're all going to be too drunk on power and synthale to remember the details.
lets see for a moment, lead a failed attack thats cost countless lives... hmm, I wonder why they wouldn't want a fed leading that. q'onos and new romlus being victims, end of the arc when we finally see kagan do something again? he us peaching federation ideas. your right I and very grateful for that.
You seem to think that if they had picked a Federation Captain, they would have written a different story line? I think it was pretty clear that the Iconian War was set up as unbeatable by "conventional" means.
But inside the story, Kagran's failed attack makes a lot of sense to me. You have to realize that the Alliance was losing ships constantly. The only way to beat the Iconians has always been to either kill all the Iconians or destroy their gateway network. And the only place where that could be attempted was in the Herald Sphere. Waiting only meant having less ships at your disposal for a task that already was impossible enough.
And Kagran didn't preach Federation ideas. He argued very much in Klingon terms. Klingon are not blood-thirsty, amoral murderers that kill children in their sleep so they can't grow up to beat you in a fair fight.
because feds get a whole lot of faction restricted stuff in AoY and your telling me one thing not for feds is too much to ask for? for last we heard nearly a 3rd of the fanbase one thing is too much?
I am telling you it's irrelevant. If Cryptic ends up making more Klingon content if they also sell it to Feds, that's better than having no Klingon content by a mile. If Cryptic made all ships faction agnostic, that might clash with faction identity goals, but if it means I can finally give my Klingon a Tier 6 Vor'Cha or my Gorn a decent Gorn Science Vessel, I'll take it.
prime dircetive is last I checked a fed thing. and that what midnight was all about look at how like us(the federation) iconians were before they got wipped out. which wouldn't normally matter much to kdf, closest he ever comes to klingon thoughts is not stabing allies in the back... which iconian were not, we in fact went back in time to genocide them.
well too bad sucker if you never get those, you can't, there is a limit to to being naive. there is no way not getting ship means getting ships. and I note you didn't answer the question. and don't dodge it this time, is one thing too much to ask for? more so went they have a perfect excuse to say " hey, sorry but this is all we got for klingons in this era and we made a t6 t'liss type ship already"
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I'd argue they weren't children. That and Klingon ideology is really complex. But in STO I don't recognise them anymore. The Romulans act too much like the Federation and Klingons want to explore diplomacy more often. Klingons and Roms are now a far cry from "in space all warriors are cold warriors." -General Chang. It's like every Klingon is now just a copy of feds personality. And the stories so far reflect it.
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So... I stepped out for the last 4 years and missed all the dark times... but as someone who came back to the game about a year ago I see a lot of cross-faction 3 packs and 9-ship mega bundles. To me it seems their more recent track record is a LOT more equitable. I'd like to see 2 more Romulan and Klingon intel ships added so they can be grouped into a 9 ship mega-bundle, and I'd like a NEW cross-faction bundle featuring the faction's allies as T6 science ships (FED-Vulcan/KDF-Gorn/ROM-Sueban)just to close a power gap at the endgame and to put some more interesting hull silhouettes into play, but trying to ramrod the two non-Earth factions into what's just a brief origin story doesn't strike me as all that needful.
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It's not like every Federation ship knocks it out of the park.
Heck, remember all those Galaxy Class threads before the Andromeda?
Cryptic used to be pretty bad at actually designing ships with highly sought after mechanical features, only in the last few years they started getting better at it (and doing it deliberately to sell Romulan ships and lockbox/promo stuff). People love to bring up the Gorn Science Vessel there, but that's a time where they also released ships like the Nebula or D'Kyr with subpar stats. It took months or years for them to improve those ships.
But Feds buy ships anyway in good numbers, even if the stats are subpar. Especially any canon ship variant, because they have strong emotional attachment to these. But there are only something like 4 or 5 canon Klingon vessels in the entire Star Trek canon.
If you think not buying KDF or RR ships is a way to tell Cryptic what you want, you'll only succeed if in telling them you don't want KDF or RR ships. More nuanced messages will not reach them.
I'm afraid I must disagree, selling almost nothing is not prioritizing. selling nothing is ignoring.
the sad this is they could just sell a t6 d-7 to roms and kdf as a token effort. and it would look like their at least pretending to try.
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please the only message they get is the one they want to hear.
though, personally I would love to see the the numbers on how many ship get sold per person of each faction. not the metrics the real numbers it could be interesting.
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Thing is, they are selling something. Not much of it, but something. Which means they aren't ignoring the fan base. They just aren't designing for them with a high priority. Which fits exactly what they've been saying for 6 years. They love them some Klingons (there's quite a few devs that have said exactly that). But they're not going to put the Kllingons first. On anything. Pretty much ever.
So the complaint is, 6 years into this, there's a huge disparity between the federation and the klingons in terms of ships, missions, uniforms ... content. But they keep saying that they won't/can't/don't put Klingons first in terms of ships, missions, uniforms ... content.
As a fan of those things, I don't like that. But I will concede that they've been pretty up front about that and their explanation for why they do it. I disagree with their plan and overall strategy. But they've made it really clear to me to the point where I'm not going to blast them for doing what they have essentially told us they are doing.
My strategy moving forward is to put forth new ideas or support new ideas that the rest of you guys come up with that involve Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians and everything else. Because by supporting the ideas and the discussion on those ideas, eventually that stuff too may make it into the game.
I'm done lashing out at Cryptic's team for doing what they said they would (or in this case wouldn't do). Instead I'm going to say "Yeah, that idea for that new Klingon ship, is something I too would like to play."
You guys can do what you feel is the right thing to do here. We do agree that the complaint about the disparity has merit. I just don't want to let that complaint get me all worked up anymore.
you know what tell me one thing just one thing for just kdf or roms in AoY I'll say your right. please.
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Faction agnostic temporal vessels that looks like their designs are an evolution of the romulan engineers in the 28th century (especially the raider) and not the flat pancake looks or pizza cutter looks of the federation inspired ships? One of them's a science ship right? And an effective T6 science ship was something both the KDF and the Romulan Republic kind of need at T6?
cross faction not just for any one. please prove me wrong.
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@snoggymack22 he asked for something specifically for kdf or rom not faction agnostic lazy stuff
You're saying only EXCLUSIVE content for KDF and Roms is valid. Not shared content. Even though I can enjoy playing Temporal Front in my Mat'Ha just as much as in my Scryer.
Sorry, aside from C-Store ships and costumes now and then you are out of luck. Shared endgame content is what Cryptic has said we will be getting (aside from this new low-level Fed-TOS faction story). If you just can't accept that then I guess STO is not the game for you anymore.
ship, costume, and video of certain dev screaming we're inferior scum, anything just as long as it not for feds in any way. normally I'ld say name 3 thing but I'm feeling extra nice today.
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Then: Can I Haz Ur Stuffs?
Rom and KDF are getting shared content, not exclusive content.
I didn't say I was leaving so shame on you for doing that wrong. :P
I actually enjoy the game itself the company just gets annoying.
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Why does it have to be faction restricted?
If you get Klingon or Romulan stuff and the Feds get it to, does it not help you get a better Klingon or Romulan experience?
Calling them "lazy" for trying to invent a 31st century design that could fit Klingon or Romulan concepts? Sure, call them lazy when they are trying to be creative, both art wise and business wise to present some faction support. Good luck with that.
Going beyond ships?
Don't you realize why it was Kagran and Q'onos that featured so heavily in the Iconian arc and stories? Why New Romulus is under attack all the time? Because they want to show off these factions and remind us that these are important parts of the Star Trek universe! They could have focused it all on the Federation, with a Starfleet officer leading the war effort (exactly as it was in Deep Space Nine, when it was Sisko that planned the retaking of DS9).
Because they want to give something to players that are interested in the Klingons and Romulans. If they can't sell it directly, at least they can show it off and use it to attract players with content.
I'm not out to prove you wrong and never was.
I missed the last event ship. Having a T6 science vessel that I can use on my KDF and Romulan characters is something I personally will enjoy.
Your mileage varies. I can't define your fun. And am not even trying to.
Let's get really technical here. In the 28th Century, the KDF and the Romulans are part of the only faction that exists, fighting against the sphere builders. That's not lazy design. That's canon.
That's a very good point about how the writers have made the Klingon and Romulan factions a major focus in many of the shared episodes. We also had the death of Kahless, not exactly a "Federation only" moment.
They can't do that for the TOS level up stories, but we can hope for more such content in the new endgame stories. It's just not going to be episodes that ONLY Roms or KDF are allowed to play.
lets see for a moment, lead a failed attack thats cost countless lives... hmm, I wonder why they wouldn't want a fed leading that. q'onos and new romlus being victims, end of the arc when we finally see kagan do something again? he us peaching federation ideas. your right I and very grateful for that.
because feds get a whole lot of faction restricted stuff in AoY and your telling me one thing not for feds is too much to ask for? for last we heard nearly a 3rd of the fanbase one thing is too much?
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But inside the story, Kagran's failed attack makes a lot of sense to me. You have to realize that the Alliance was losing ships constantly. The only way to beat the Iconians has always been to either kill all the Iconians or destroy their gateway network. And the only place where that could be attempted was in the Herald Sphere. Waiting only meant having less ships at your disposal for a task that already was impossible enough.
And Kagran didn't preach Federation ideas. He argued very much in Klingon terms. Klingon are not blood-thirsty, amoral murderers that kill children in their sleep so they can't grow up to beat you in a fair fight.
I am telling you it's irrelevant. If Cryptic ends up making more Klingon content if they also sell it to Feds, that's better than having no Klingon content by a mile. If Cryptic made all ships faction agnostic, that might clash with faction identity goals, but if it means I can finally give my Klingon a Tier 6 Vor'Cha or my Gorn a decent Gorn Science Vessel, I'll take it.
Because it was only believable to have a Klingon be that TRIBBLE poor of a "general"? :P
1)Because now they have found a way to avoid even the effort of giving us our own unique skins on the federation ships they develop.
2)No it does not, I don't have a Romulan character to fly Krenim ships, or fed ships or faction agnostic ships and play faction agnostic content.
My Gorn flies his Fleet Varanus or Mirror Vo'quv most of the time, not a Breen dreadnought. Similarly my under-played fed alts do not often flitter about in Tal Shiar Adapted vessels or Tholian warships.
It's been mentioned in a bunch of threads about Agents of Yesterday already and I'm pretty sure back in the early stages of this thread ... AoY is an exception to the rule. That expansion is being designed for two players and two players only. Myself and daveyny. This expansion includes items that both of us have specifically asked for, for going on 6 years now. I'll let dave tout his glorious victory if he deigns to. But mine is quite satisfying and I revel in how clever it was and how it pulled off.
A T6 Daedalus!
A quick recap:
There are a bunch of people on here who like old canon ships. But are very very strict in which old canon ships they like. And everyone else's tastes and preferences were disregarded at best, and viciously attacked at worst. It's how we ended up with years of Excelsior this, Galaxy that discussion. Realizing this was the direction things were going, I set to work. You see one of my all time favorite ship models is the Daedalus. I like round things. I like retro sci fi. I like the 60s aesthetic. I like all of what AoY is showing us right now on Tribble.
And so I needed to pull the long con here.
Ala Ocean's 11 and the tv series Leverage, I assembled a team.
This team was comprised of some of the leading minds in internet forum warfare as well as some of the biggest and most voracious STO posters the forums have ever seen. Sadly most of them have had action taken against their forum presence. But that was a price each of us were willing to pay to achieve the goals that are now culminating in Agents of Yesterday.
We used to meet in secret. Using old spycraft tactics like microdots and prodigy bulletin boards to share our strategies and secrets. Finally we found our path: The Original Starship Enterprise and the bashfulness that Dan Stahl and Al Rivera have over how Emmert was able to get that ship into the game.
That was our in. Our exploit.
And we set a long con in motion.
YEARS of T6 Connie threads took place. It was the biggest reddest red herring of all time. A Macguffin the likes of which most couldn't even fathom.
And it worked beautifully. Look at the carnage my team of subservise forum commandos have wrought. It's an FCT. It's the primary reason the FCT exists! It's a discussion that has cropped up in almost every JJ-Abrams-Related topic in forum history. It's a discussion that exists in a wide variety of forms be it talking about the Exeter, the Excalibur, the Vesper or other ships like the Defiant vs. The Excelsior, and how the USS Stargazer is a Constellation class ship not a Stargazer class ship. It shows up in discussions about Wolf 359. It's everywhere.
And the whole time the mission: Agents of Yesterday was in motion. Now every member of the cabal had their own agenda and their own things they wanted. Me? I just wanted a T6 Daedalus.
Agents of Yesterday, alas, was never intended to give Romulan or Klingon specific content. It wasn't on the cabal's agenda. I am sorry for that (or is this a case of sorrynotsorry?) ... but I promise you that this expansion is being made to serve the very specific needs of some very specific customers.
And I bet if you got your own cabal together and worked out a much more efficient plan you could get the same done for Klingon content in far less than the almost 6 years it's taken the "Agents of Yesterday" consortium.
We're good, but we're slow.
Good luck. And let us know if you need any advice. Probably should ask before the expansion launches though because once it does, we're all going to be too drunk on power and synthale to remember the details.
prime dircetive is last I checked a fed thing. and that what midnight was all about look at how like us(the federation) iconians were before they got wipped out. which wouldn't normally matter much to kdf, closest he ever comes to klingon thoughts is not stabing allies in the back... which iconian were not, we in fact went back in time to genocide them.
well too bad sucker if you never get those, you can't, there is a limit to to being naive. there is no way not getting ship means getting ships. and I note you didn't answer the question. and don't dodge it this time, is one thing too much to ask for? more so went they have a perfect excuse to say " hey, sorry but this is all we got for klingons in this era and we made a t6 t'liss type ship already"
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It's kinda like a more compact and maneuverable D'Deridex.
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