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New photos have popped up online...
http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/681921-new-star-trek-beyond-photos-show-off-new-uniforms-aliens#/slide/1
And here...
http://trekcore.com/blog/2016/04/new-star-trek-beyond-photos-surface-online/
http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/681921-new-star-trek-beyond-photos-show-off-new-uniforms-aliens#/slide/1
And here...
http://trekcore.com/blog/2016/04/new-star-trek-beyond-photos-surface-online/
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Yeah... Zoe is very pretty, but it would be nice to see her in something not-skin-tight or otherwise form-fitting.
And I'd love to see her do more things like staring down Klingons, instead of complaining about boyfriend issues.
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At least give it a chance before writing it off.
Winning.
Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
tr;dr, I am winning last post wins 3.0. Thank you for your time.
Agreed. Hell... in regards to the reboot movies, I judge them on their own merits as it IS an alternate universe after all. NOT bound by established events. So even if you were to judge Beyond, it should only be against Into Darkness and '09.
Its like what they say about what happens in Vegas. The AR has no bearing on the Prime Universe while giving us a clean slate for brand new stories in the Alternate Universe.
Winning.
Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
tr;dr, I am winning last post wins 3.0. Thank you for your time.
And therein lies the problem. The haters do that, and justify it. The problem is... we have seen alternate realities in Star Trek before, yet why is this one so hard to accept? In the episode of TNG with Worf hopping around, we saw HOW MANY Enterprise-Ds? Not only that how many did Worf actually hop between? And then there was the Alternate Reality created when the Enterprise-C traveled forward in time... the AR that ended the Year of Hell... the Na'kuhl altered WW2...
And before anyone mentioned Temporal mechanics, it can go either way with Timelines or Realities. The fact of the matter is we have seen many. And we have accepted them. But the reboot movies? Nope! Evil, Blasphemy, any who like it are idiots who must be shown the light, ect...
I swear its like the rage from Star Wars fans in a Star Trek vs Star Wars debate.
...I should probably abandon thread now while I still can.
Winning.
Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
tr;dr, I am winning last post wins 3.0. Thank you for your time.
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The trek and the furious doesnt interest me and star trek beyond, what taste?!
Take the question of whether there's philosophy or social commentary in the new films, what triggered the argument I mentioned. They started citing an interview with J.J. Abrams where he says he didn't consciously put in any of those aspects (I think because he said he's not smart enough to really deal with them). Into Darkness is all a parallel to the War on Terrorism: how much of our personal rights and morality can, or should, we sacrifice for the sake of some nebulous "national security". Oh, and Kirk being ordered to assassinate Harrison with a long-range torpedo attack? That's a CIA drone strike v. al-Qa'ida, with the same exact argument over whether we should be killing the targets or capturing them for interrogation and trial (what Kirk ends up doing).
Other arguments, like cruddy plot points? Clearly you haven't seen Nemesis. Complaints about too much focus on action than thought? All the movies are like that, except maybe The Voyage Home -- that one was more focus on comedy than thought. I don't particularly think the new movies are the best thing ever to hit Star Trek -- Deep Space Nine did the whole security versus morality thing way better in "Homefront"/"Paradise Lost" and "In the Pale Moonlight" -- but they hang together one hell of a lot better than Insurrection or the Temporal Cold War.
Either all the movies are Star Trek, or none of them are.
* I explained this once before, but I'm just using the term "JJverse" for convenience (it's less keystrokes than "the 2010s movies" or equivalent), not because I think they're not as legitimately Star Trek.
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I actually like Insurrection. And I have to agree. WHAT qualifies a Star Trek movie to be Star Trek?
However... not every Star Trek movie that came before fit all of these. I'm pretty sure ST5 would be one people wish never existed. Yet people accept that it does, and is a Star Trek movie.
For a movie to exist in an established franchise in one form or another, it has to fit into the universe established in said franchise. Even if we deviate from established events such as with an alternate universe, the technology, society, ect all still need to fit. We have technology we are familiar with in the reboot movies that work relatively the same as we remember (phasers, transporters, warp drive, ect), we have a society we're familiar with (Federation, Klingon Empire...)...
I agree with this as well.
I WILL point out however, that when filefront was still alive, Star Trek game fans were quite accepting of Star Wars mod content in thier Trek games. On the other hand, Star Wars game fans were quite venomous if ANY non Wars related mods were made for their games. Didn't matter how well it was, they bashed it because "It wasn't Star Wars".
I think I only saw a couple instances of a Pic of the Day with non Star Wars content that wasn't ripped a new one.
'Course, then there's stupid stuff like people complaining that NX-01 looked more advanced than NCC-1701. No mystery there, certainly nothing that needed an in-universe explanation; it looked more advanced and industrial because the technology to build sets was a lot better. Just like the Klingons and Vulcanoids were supposed to have forehead ridges all along but they couldn't afford it in the budget (the hell with that stupid augment arc).
I'll be first in line to say ENT had flaws, but that wasn't one of them.
Weird. I'll admit I haven't looked much at mods for Star Wars games (other than KOTOR 2 tweaks and restored content).
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Reminds me of my son's refusal for years to even try chocolate - don't know why, but somehow he got it into his head that chocolate was terrible. Then one day we managed to get a piece of it into his mouth. Ten seconds later - "Hey, this is good!" Surprised expression and everything.
Who knows, one day you might get off your high horse, watch the '09 movie, and find yourself saying, with an expression of surprise, "Hey, this is good!"
And "What does God need with a Starship" makes more sense?
Which is what this thread is all about.
The bridge of the USS Franklin appears to be larger than it appeared in the first trailer.
Also, I noticed that same bridge has the number '6' on one of its doors.
Deck 6?
Hatchway 6?
Corridor 6?
Six Ways to Hell?
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Sorry I can't quote your original post, but that function isn't working on my tablet.
Too bad STO can't get the movie costumes.
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I think the problems of JJTrek are ultimately mostly that it's a reboot. Yes, the movies have flaws (and lense flare), but they were decent enough for any science fiction movie, and many previous Trek movies had their flaws, too. The second movie had social commentary on drone warfare, war on terrorism, the conflict between our ideals and the need to protect ourselves - arguably it was more about ethics and morals than the First Contact (one of my favorite Trek movies) or Nemesis.
But the fatal flaw of JJTrek is that it's a reboot and a threat to everything "we" hold dear - our canon. If the Star Trek universe gets rebooted, it means all the stories we see, all the characters we knew, they all seem diminished, less relevant, because whatever they did is no longer relevant to the new stories.
It's a somewhat irrational feeling, since the old shows are still there to see if we wish to. And the chances t hat new stories would reference the old characters and events heavily wasn't that big.
I suspect that Star Wars fans felt similar when Disney said that the "old" Expanded Universe would be classifed as "Legends" and would not be considered for the new movies or future nove linse. (I certainly would have loved to see Thrawn or Mara Jade on the big screen), but at least it weren't the movies themselves that were "rebooted".
Considering lens flair get's more screen time than most of the actors (sometimes it even completely 'whites out' the entire screen), perhaps it should even have some lines?
I've seen the first two, and I have to say the film has some major 'quality control' issues.
For instance one of the lines stated by 'generic bad guy/evil robocop':
"If I'm not in charge, our whole way of life is decimated!"
Really? our whole way of life is going to be changed by 10%?! MY GOD THAT SOUNDS AWFUL!... actually no it does not sound so bad...
How did that ridiculous line get through the editor, copywriter, director and all the other people who would have read it before it was filmed and shown to millions?
That's just one example of poor quality control in the films. Yes the original franchise used a lot of 'techno speak' language, but at least it could string a sentence together using the correct type of words.
Except that they threw us a bone with it being an ALTERNATE universe. Meaning everything that we know and love still exists and is relevant. In essence... Star Trek now has two branching timelines like Command & Conquer. The Prime universe would be like the Tiberium games and the Alternate would be the Red Alert games. Both still releveant, but do not affect each other.
The atttitude most people have is that the reboot movies overwrite what came before, essentially destroying the timeline. That is simply not true. Spock accurately described that things changed, and Uhura agreed, identifying the Alternate Reality. Also the fact that Prime Spock still existed means that whatever happened in the Alternate Reality had no bearing on the Prime Universe otherwise Prime Spock wouldn't have been there at all as his own personal history would have changed to reflect the native Spock.
Hell... Prime Spock even mentioned that in the Prime Universe, Kirk knew his father! And in Into Darkness, Spock warned them that Khan was a powerful foe.
Firstly, if your ship is about to explode, where would you find the time to call 'old Spock' on the 'off chance' that he will answer (or have something helpful to say?)
Secondly, how exactly was what Spock said in any way 'helpful'?, everybody already knew that Khan was a 'nut job', so how exactly was this information pertinent whilst the ship is about to explode?
Old Spock: "Khan is a powerful foe"
My response: Oh... 'thanks'!