Frankly, I think people attacking the dreadnought with its reflective shield up is more annoying. I can't count the number of times someone in a random pug has blow themselves up that way. But even that's not really a big problem; the queue is a bit tedious as a two week event but its not hard and neither of those individual aspects really slow it down that much. And sadly, people not paying attention in any pug queue is pretty much a fact of life these days.
As Zephram Cochrane once said, "That'll do, pig. That'll do." - April 1st 2015.
No. It might have those effects on me personally, but it's not like my entire team dies everytime I shoot a core. Like I said, I have run this event dozens of times, and never even noticed the silly '?' icons. No one I have ever played with has ever said a word about this, everyone has done it the same way, everyone shoots all the cores. Outside of this thread, I have never ever heard word one about this issue.. ever. A couple people on this forum complaining about a non issue doesn't mean people care.. they don't. Shooting the fake cores doesn't matter, you and the OP are just being overly dramatic.
Dude the debuff and damage is AOE and affects the whole team... you didn't even notice that? You're not just doing it to yourself. If that was the case I wouldn't care, and no I'm not being "overly dramatic". It really slows things down in what should be a fast room.
It has nothing to do with that, I never even knew. It's not like this is explained.. because it's not. I have never once heard anyone ever mention this 'issue' ever.. not once. I play the entire mission, I complete objectives, I help my team. If you want to say a player is being inconsiderate because they shoot fake cores that have absolutely no effect on anything and are never even explained, then fine. I'm inconsiderate, and you're an overly judgmental and self righteous. The rush to judgment works both ways.
It's simple to figure out. One shoots, the whole team gets debuffed and takes damage slowing down progression (by a lot if you have pets out since red alert sometimes gets bugged and lasts longer than 8 seconds). So yeah, it has everything to do with ignorance. You didn't notice, but now you know.
It has nothing to do with that, I never even knew. It's not like this is explained.. because it's not. I have never once heard anyone ever mention this 'issue' ever.. not once.
I'm calling BS on that. Unless you ignore your chat window every single time.
shoot fake cores that have absolutely no effect on anything
To be honest I didn't even know there where any 'fake' ones. I usually learn by following what other people do, I have never once seen anybody say 'Hey, don't bother shooting that one; its a faaaaake'.
Where does Cryptic post the walk-through's for STF's/Events anyway?
It has nothing to do with that, I never even knew. It's not like this is explained.. because it's not. I have never once heard anyone ever mention this 'issue' ever.. not once.
I'm calling BS on that. Unless you ignore your chat window every single time.
shoot fake cores that have absolutely no effect on anything
This is a falsehood.
The only things ever said in any Breach I have run were: "Is anyone going to do the exploit" when the mission started (1 time) and a few "GG" at the end (about 3 times now), and one time someone mentioned he almost beat his record time. Thats it.
And yet, shooting a fake core (with a ? behind), even if it did nothing, still makes you waste time shooting at it. As it stands, it definitely *does* something: you drop out of full impulse, you suffer shield disruptions, and incur hull damage. Not unsurmountable, but annoying nonetheless. SciTeam should clear it; for me, not having SciTeam slotted, I usually spend a HE on it.
Their shooting at the wrong core delays you by a handful of seconds at best.. what difference does it make? People are doing this mind numbing event every single day on every character that they want to give the reward to. It's hard to blame them for putting their brain on 'cruise control' for normal mode.
If you want to map stuff out in Advanced+ or organized team runs.. then cool. If Pugs shoot at the wrong core, who really cares?
I will second that, well said.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
It has nothing to do with that, I never even knew. It's not like this is explained.. because it's not. I have never once heard anyone ever mention this 'issue' ever.. not once.
I'm calling BS on that. Unless you ignore your chat window every single time.
shoot fake cores that have absolutely no effect on anything
This is a falsehood.
The only things ever said in any Breach I have run were: "Is anyone going to do the exploit" when the mission started (1 time) and a few "GG" at the end (about 3 times now), and one time someone mentioned he almost beat his record time. Thats it.
And yet, shooting a fake core (with a ? behind), even if it did nothing, still makes you waste time shooting at it. As it stands, it definitely *does* something: you drop out of full impulse, you suffer shield disruptions, and incur hull damage. Not unsurmountable, but annoying nonetheless. SciTeam should clear it; for me, not having SciTeam slotted, I usually spend a HE on it.
I never use full impulse in the different rooms, only when moving from one room to another. I must have some really good shields cause they never drop, and the white hull effect from attack pattern expertise must block anything else cause my engines never go offline either.
Actually, you just see Maneuvering Thrusters in action (or possibly something from your equipment). Also, something might be cleansing it passively.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
I DO blame someone for lacking a few seconds of common courtesy.
How is it common sense/courtesy though? As others have pointed out, a lot of people are unaware of what the 'right' thing to do is.
Like myself most people just 'muddle through' it. When you click on the 'feature of the month' mentioning the breach, it doesn't tell you how to do it or what to do. You have mentioned that there are 'fake' cores that are not worth targeting, I had no idea (as likely do many people) I've never even seen it mentioned in chat, and even if it was mentioned in chat, a lot of people have it minimized anyway.
So thanks for pointing it out, I'll keep it in mind for future - but given the above comments, is it really something to get so upset about? - I seriously doubt anybody likes wasting there own time, and therefore are unlikely to be doing it 'on purpose'. Most people want to get The Breach finished as quickly as possible as its not the most interesting way to spend ones time
This has been explained. Pulls you out of full impulse, causes shield and hull damage. "Minor" is not for you to decide on my behalf.
Are you having a conversation with yourself or something? I did not mention anything 'minor' I asked how people are meant to behave 'courteously' (as defined by yourself) if they had no idea there where 'fake' cores to begin with.
Umm.. OK. Might I ask why? I gave pretty good examples why most people have never heard of these 'fake' cores, and I even thanked you and said I would use this info for future Breach runs.
Not quite sure why you are being so passive aggressive about this.
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
It's not like I don't help my team because I absolutely do. I just don't care about the 'fake cores.' And honestly.. neither does anyone else.
The fact that he asked the question proves that some people care. I know I do. When I do something I give it my very best. It takes less than a second to see if it's a real or fake core. I'm not that lazy yet.
Huh, I thought the popup said the core can jump between the 3, not that 2 were fakes. Learn something new every tenday.
This. I have never seen anybody NOT shoot all of them. I had guessed that two were fakes, but I must be flying too much on the Y-axis to see the ? at the end of the name, and it's not showing on my target box.
I have seen many games with people NOT shooting at them. It's not that difficult really...
Cryptic adds more enemy health > players complain that DPS is the only thing that matters
Cryptic adds mechanic that discourages blind BFAW > players ignore it entirely
If I didn't just want to steamroll that place and get out, I would ask for it to be updated so that shooting a "?" core instakilled everyone in the room.
Huh, I thought the popup said the core can jump between the 3, not that 2 were fakes. Learn something new every tenday.
This. I have never seen anybody NOT shoot all of them. I had guessed that two were fakes, but I must be flying too much on the Y-axis to see the ? at the end of the name, and it's not showing on my target box.
I have seen many games with people NOT shooting at them. It's not that difficult really...
I think the point that some people are making (including myself) is that The Breach is so boring that it is unlikely anybody would knowingly/willingly make it take longer than necessary.
I've already thanked the OP for pointing out that there are 'fake' cores - but they seem to be unwilling to entertain the remote possibility that a lot of people had no idea about them to begin with. Now that I know, I will certainly not prolong the pain any longer than needed.
It has nothing to do with that, I never even knew. It's not like this is explained.. because it's not. I have never once heard anyone ever mention this 'issue' ever.. not once.
I'm calling BS on that. Unless you ignore your chat window every single time.
shoot fake cores that have absolutely no effect on anything
It has nothing to do with that, I never even knew. It's not like this is explained.. because it's not. I have never once heard anyone ever mention this 'issue' ever.. not once.
I'm calling BS on that. Unless you ignore your chat window every single time.
shoot fake cores that have absolutely no effect on anything
This is a falsehood.
The only things ever said in any Breach I have run were: "Is anyone going to do the exploit" when the mission started (1 time) and a few "GG" at the end (about 3 times now), and one time someone mentioned he almost beat his record time. Thats it.
In every single game I've played (and that's a lot) I have seen someone talk about the cores.
It has nothing to do with that, I never even knew. It's not like this is explained.. because it's not. I have never once heard anyone ever mention this 'issue' ever.. not once.
I'm calling BS on that. Unless you ignore your chat window every single time.
shoot fake cores that have absolutely no effect on anything
It has nothing to do with that, I never even knew. It's not like this is explained.. because it's not. I have never once heard anyone ever mention this 'issue' ever.. not once.
I'm calling BS on that. Unless you ignore your chat window every single time.
shoot fake cores that have absolutely no effect on anything
This is a falsehood.
The only things ever said in any Breach I have run were: "Is anyone going to do the exploit" when the mission started (1 time) and a few "GG" at the end (about 3 times now), and one time someone mentioned he almost beat his record time. Thats it.
In every single game I've played (and that's a lot) I have seen someone talk about the cores.
We must play in different circles, because I have never even seen a single person say a single word in chat (not even responding to a simple 'hello') during Breach runs... SERIOUSLY!
It has nothing to do with that, I never even knew. It's not like this is explained.. because it's not. I have never once heard anyone ever mention this 'issue' ever.. not once.
I'm calling BS on that. Unless you ignore your chat window every single time.
shoot fake cores that have absolutely no effect on anything
It has nothing to do with that, I never even knew. It's not like this is explained.. because it's not. I have never once heard anyone ever mention this 'issue' ever.. not once.
I'm calling BS on that. Unless you ignore your chat window every single time.
shoot fake cores that have absolutely no effect on anything
This is a falsehood.
The only things ever said in any Breach I have run were: "Is anyone going to do the exploit" when the mission started (1 time) and a few "GG" at the end (about 3 times now), and one time someone mentioned he almost beat his record time. Thats it.
In every single game I've played (and that's a lot) I have seen someone talk about the cores.
I've only played 12, but have never seen the cores mentioned just a few GGs.
This thread actually makes me wanna start popping ?Cores? like a madman. Just to spite these "moral high ground" comments. Well done. Ill start immediately.
I'm calling BS on that. Unless you ignore your chat window every single time.
Call B.S. all you want dude, there are plenty of people here that all agree that they have never heard a word about this in their chat. I have run this event twice a day since it started (that's all I can take) and never once.. not one time has anyone ever said a word about the stupid cores. I have the chat window open the entire time, not a word.. ever.
The reasons for "caring" have been well explained, regardless of how doggedly some will refuse to acknowledge undeniable facts.
See here is the problem. You have confused the terms 'undeniable facts' and 'delusional falsehood'
The only undeniable fact in this thread is that you suffer from delusional falsehood. You're making a big issue out of nothing for no other reason but to be a troll.
Seriously, though, does it somehow empower somebody to gripe about casual players being casual in a Normal PvE queue? Yes, your STO-peen is enormous. Now please go polish it peacefully somewhere else, like maybe an Elite queue, while less volatile folks continue to have fun.
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Dude the debuff and damage is AOE and affects the whole team... you didn't even notice that? You're not just doing it to yourself. If that was the case I wouldn't care, and no I'm not being "overly dramatic". It really slows things down in what should be a fast room.
It's simple to figure out. One shoots, the whole team gets debuffed and takes damage slowing down progression (by a lot if you have pets out since red alert sometimes gets bugged and lasts longer than 8 seconds). So yeah, it has everything to do with ignorance. You didn't notice, but now you know.
It's about being courteous to your whole team.
I'm calling BS on that. Unless you ignore your chat window every single time.
This is a falsehood.
Where does Cryptic post the walk-through's for STF's/Events anyway?
And yet, shooting a fake core (with a ? behind), even if it did nothing, still makes you waste time shooting at it. As it stands, it definitely *does* something: you drop out of full impulse, you suffer shield disruptions, and incur hull damage. Not unsurmountable, but annoying nonetheless. SciTeam should clear it; for me, not having SciTeam slotted, I usually spend a HE on it.
I will second that, well said.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
And no, I'm cycling 13 toons through this event, and I still absolutely DO blame someone for lacking a few seconds of common courtesy.
Actually, you just see Maneuvering Thrusters in action (or possibly something from your equipment). Also, something might be cleansing it passively.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
How is it common sense/courtesy though? As others have pointed out, a lot of people are unaware of what the 'right' thing to do is.
Like myself most people just 'muddle through' it. When you click on the 'feature of the month' mentioning the breach, it doesn't tell you how to do it or what to do. You have mentioned that there are 'fake' cores that are not worth targeting, I had no idea (as likely do many people) I've never even seen it mentioned in chat, and even if it was mentioned in chat, a lot of people have it minimized anyway.
So thanks for pointing it out, I'll keep it in mind for future - but given the above comments, is it really something to get so upset about? - I seriously doubt anybody likes wasting there own time, and therefore are unlikely to be doing it 'on purpose'. Most people want to get The Breach finished as quickly as possible as its not the most interesting way to spend ones time
This has been explained. Pulls you out of full impulse, causes shield and hull damage. "Minor" is not for you to decide on my behalf.
I am not buying this innocent act for one second.
"Worth mentioning for reasons of aggravation and general sanity" != "so upset."
I think most people don't want to engage their brains more than is required for the constant mashing of the space bar.
Are you having a conversation with yourself or something? I did not mention anything 'minor' I asked how people are meant to behave 'courteously' (as defined by yourself) if they had no idea there where 'fake' cores to begin with.
Umm.. OK. Might I ask why? I gave pretty good examples why most people have never heard of these 'fake' cores, and I even thanked you and said I would use this info for future Breach runs.
Not quite sure why you are being so passive aggressive about this.
You're right. Every one of us in this thread who had never seen a word about false cores before you posted are LYING!
Because we are ALL out to GET YOU! Muhahahahaha!!!!
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
The fact that he asked the question proves that some people care. I know I do. When I do something I give it my very best. It takes less than a second to see if it's a real or fake core. I'm not that lazy yet.
I have seen many games with people NOT shooting at them. It's not that difficult really...
That would be a great idea.
I think the point that some people are making (including myself) is that The Breach is so boring that it is unlikely anybody would knowingly/willingly make it take longer than necessary.
I've already thanked the OP for pointing out that there are 'fake' cores - but they seem to be unwilling to entertain the remote possibility that a lot of people had no idea about them to begin with. Now that I know, I will certainly not prolong the pain any longer than needed.
In every single game I've played (and that's a lot) I have seen someone talk about the cores.
Ah some common sense. Well said.
We must play in different circles, because I have never even seen a single person say a single word in chat (not even responding to a simple 'hello') during Breach runs... SERIOUSLY!
I've only played 12, but have never seen the cores mentioned just a few GGs.
Just to spite these "moral high ground" comments.
Well done.
Ill start immediately.
Call B.S. all you want dude, there are plenty of people here that all agree that they have never heard a word about this in their chat. I have run this event twice a day since it started (that's all I can take) and never once.. not one time has anyone ever said a word about the stupid cores. I have the chat window open the entire time, not a word.. ever.
See here is the problem. You have confused the terms 'undeniable facts' and 'delusional falsehood'
The only undeniable fact in this thread is that you suffer from delusional falsehood. You're making a big issue out of nothing for no other reason but to be a troll.
At least you're good at that.
Seriously, though, does it somehow empower somebody to gripe about casual players being casual in a Normal PvE queue? Yes, your STO-peen is enormous. Now please go polish it peacefully somewhere else, like maybe an Elite queue, while less volatile folks continue to have fun.