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Theory: Into Darkness
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Khan's blood can only bring back to life tribbles and people with the brains of a tribble.
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Yes, but said attack cost hundreds, possibly thousands of other innocent lives. If you ask me, it's more likely that simply having somebody from within the archive deploy the attack was the easiest and safest way for Khan to do so, and saving the girl was evidently a way to have one of the people from the archive destroy the archive.
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Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
tr;dr, I am winning last post wins 3.0. Thank you for your time.
And for sure, having someone blow it up from the inside was the safest way, but, he could have simply duped Harewood... Promised the cure upon completion of the mission, and then simply never provided it. Instead, he gave the blood sample up front, allowing Lucille to be saved... Harewood could simply have taken the blood then reported Khan immediately, not just sent the email then blown himself up... My point, is that Khan not only kept his word, but never lied to anyone in the film. He only turned on Kirk after Kirk betrayed him, so perhaps he was telling the truth about his original role in what the victors termed the Eugenics Wars
It's a recurrence of a theme that's also found in the new Halo game, in which the AI Cortana is attempting to take on the ancient Forerunner Mantle of Responsibility - that is to say, imposing an Imperial Peace upon the Galaxy, by using massive killing machines called "Guardians" to slaughter anyone who steps out of line. In her view, she's bringing an end to conflict, poverty and disease, but to the rest of the Galaxy, she wants to bring an end to freedom and self-determination.
Whether this is "good" is a matter for the audience. I myself tend to fall on the side of preferring freedom, even if it gets a little chaotic.
I haven't seen Space Seed in some time, but did Khan ever really acknowledge or address that point, or do we simply accept that he did those things 'because history said so'? As you say, he believes his motivations to be the highest, my point/question, is that given the unquestionable honesty and upfront nature of his dealings with others in Into Darkness on every other matter, could it be that he simply is telling the truth about the Eugenics Wars, and that historians simply portrayed him as a monster, 'because their side won'? For example, a while back I read a comment someone made about life in Libya under Gaddafi, and how there was free university education, free healthcare, guaranteed jobs, housing given to newly-weds etc, which all sounded very different to the image the west was fed of him by the press and politicians during the 80s... Montalkhan, by the events of WoK, had well and truly lost the plot, so his actions can't be taken as the actions of a rational mind, but Cumberkhan, on the other hand, as grieved as he was by the manipulations he had endured, was much more plausible and honest... Did the historic victors simply demonize him, because that's what the victors do?
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So what Cumberkhan said could still hold true... Khan existed to lead a disorganized and squabbling world to order... And Spock merely makes the smug condescensions of someone accepting the history they have been taught as the only truth... With regards Khan's 'adventure' comment, I think it's fairly universally accepted that everyone 'massages the truth' in their favour at the beginning of a relationship