Yeah, Canon. Which means that Kirk & Company all died in 'Spock's Brain'. Sigma Draconis III, IV, and VI were the only habitable planets. They go down to VI. Beam back up and then Checkov notes in the Captain's Log that they beamed down to VII. Non-habitable, so they all died.
So be very careful about this Canon BS. You may end up like Norman and blow out your circuits trying to make sense of it all.
Why have all died? Canonically they survived. It seems you don't use the canon term correctly. One is still able to spot production errors and can think for themselves. Whenever someone wears a wrong uniform or rank insignia it doesn't mean they have canonically been transferred or demoted. You still have to think for yourself, even when talking canon
Errors are distinguishable from "actual events" because they rectify themselves. When Kirk and Sulu refer to Sigma Draconis VII but all are safe and sound they obviously didn't go to that planet, especially since Kirk refers to it correctly as VI before. When La Forge misses a rank pip for one scene but wears his usual rank in the next scene you know that this was just an error, not a canonical change.
Canon can also change by later lines. For isntance one could argue that "Threshold" is invalidated by Tom Paris saying he never surpassed warp speed in a later episode which with behind the scenes info makes sense as even the writers hated the episode
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I know full well what 'canon' is. My problem is with the 'canon'eers who slavishly believe that unless it was on the TV Shows or the Movies it isn't canon and didn't happen. Well we can see that, that stuff can be seriously flawed to the point that, do Production Errors, or lack of consistency or whatever checking means that 'canon' is forever enshrined with those mistakes and taken at face value.
Thought needs to be utilized there also. I believe that Shooting Scripts, cut scenes, even the Blish official novelizations can be considered Canon as well.
As an example, though nothing is officially said, we all imply that Kirk had sex with Deela in 'Wink of an Eye' because we see him pulling his boots on later. Sometimes we need to imply or conjecture stuff that happened even though it was not on screen.
And as an aside about Shooting Scripts, compare Roger C. Carmel's lines in 'Mudd's Women' and what he actually said on screen. An ad-libber he sure was - to the betterment and fleshing out of his part to a more beloved part of Star Trek, than otherwise.
Anyway, this can devolve into a something like the old attributed monastical debates on how many Angels can dance on the head of a pin.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
(...)I believe that Shooting Scripts, cut scenes, even the Blish official novelizations can be considered Canon as well.
(...)
That's your believe and that's fine. We just cannot agree on that as the last known definition of canon is the one given before.
Now, you assuming that implied scenes didn't happen because there weren't actually shown however does indeed suggest you misapply the term or you exaggerate to dramatic effect to make a point because it really doesn't make much sense to me. Who or why would anyone deny that the scene you described played out that way? It doesn't make sense as the episode used all elements it could to suggest what happened. On the other hand, you cannot use information from novels to fill a gap canonically. You can reference it, say you think that's a good idea, but it cannot be, by definition, canon. But those two things (the scene with Kirk and for example what Riker did after TNG) are two completely different animals.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
@tmassx the rest of the world uses metres. Metres are devices for measuring things on. Metres are for measuring things in.
Are you another troll or khan1000 lover? Here is the definition:
The meter (abbreviation, m; the British spelling is metre) is the International System of Units (SI) unit of displacement or length. One meter is the distance traveled by a ray of electromagnetic (EM) energy through a vacuum in 1/299,792,458 (3.33564095 x 10-9) of a second. The meter was originally defined as one ten-millionth (0.0000001 or 10-7) of the distance, as measured over the earth's surface in a great circle passing through Paris, France, from the geographic north pole to the equator.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Canon can also change by later lines. For isntance one could argue that "Threshold" is invalidated by Tom Paris saying he never surpassed warp speed in a later episode which with behind the scenes info makes sense as even the writers hated the episode
Paris said he'd never travelled in a Transwarp Corridor, not that he'd never been faster then warp before.
@tmassx the rest of the world uses metres. Metres are devices for measuring things on. Metres are for measuring things in.
Are you another troll or khan1000 lover? Here is the definition:
The meter (abbreviation, m; the British spelling is metre) is the International System of Units (SI) unit of displacement or length. One meter is the distance traveled by a ray of electromagnetic (EM) energy through a vacuum in 1/299,792,458 (3.33564095 x 10-9) of a second. The meter was originally defined as one ten-millionth (0.0000001 or 10-7) of the distance, as measured over the earth's surface in a great circle passing through Paris, France, from the geographic north pole to the equator.
Nope. Like litre, metre is spelt with the 're' ending indicative of its French roots.
Americans (and people that use that branch of spelling) reverse the 're' to their 'er' ending whether it's correct or not. It's not correct and neither is us spelling sulphur with a 'ph' rather than a 'f'. The fact still remains that metre is a length and meter is a instrument.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Paris said he'd never travelled in a Transwarp Corridor, not that he'd never been faster then warp before.(...)
Are you sure? I always used this line as a means to handwave away threshold Does he explicitly say transwarp corridor or just transwarp? Because surpassing warp 9.9 was called "transwarp" before, I think.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Paris said he'd never travelled in a Transwarp Corridor, not that he'd never been faster then warp before.(...)
Are you sure? I always used this line as a means to handwave away threshold Does he explicitly say transwarp corridor or just transwarp? Because surpassing warp 9.9 was called "transwarp" before, I think.
I'm sure it was specifically the corridor as that was the type of Transwarp they were using that episode.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Canon can also change by later lines. For isntance one could argue that "Threshold" is invalidated by Tom Paris saying he never surpassed warp speed in a later episode which with behind the scenes info makes sense as even the writers hated the episode
Paris said he'd never travelled in a Transwarp Corridor, not that he'd never been faster then warp before.
@tmassx the rest of the world uses metres. Metres are devices for measuring things on. Metres are for measuring things in.
Are you another troll or khan1000 lover? Here is the definition:
The meter (abbreviation, m; the British spelling is metre) is the International System of Units (SI) unit of displacement or length. One meter is the distance traveled by a ray of electromagnetic (EM) energy through a vacuum in 1/299,792,458 (3.33564095 x 10-9) of a second. The meter was originally defined as one ten-millionth (0.0000001 or 10-7) of the distance, as measured over the earth's surface in a great circle passing through Paris, France, from the geographic north pole to the equator.
Nope. Like litre, metre is spelt with the 're' ending indicative of its French roots.
Americans (and people that use that branch of spelling) reverse the 're' to their 'er' ending whether it's correct or not. It's not correct and neither is us spelling sulphur with a 'ph' rather than a 'f'. The fact still remains that metre is a length and meter is a instrument.
I prefer my words to be spelled as they are pronounced....
Nope. Like litre, metre is spelt with the 're' ending indicative of its French roots.
Americans (and people that use that branch of spelling) reverse the 're' to their 'er' ending whether it's correct or not. It's not correct and neither is us spelling sulphur with a 'ph' rather than a 'f'. The fact still remains that metre is a length and meter is a instrument.
Meter is an instrument? What?
Anyways... it doesn't matter HOW its spelled when you consider the context it is used in. You can spell it either way, but if the context indicates unit of mesurement than it is a unit of measurement. 'RE', 'ER', pretty much the same argument as how one pronounces either Tomato or Potato with a long or short A.
As to Canon, any source can be considered canon if it is declared to be so by the owners. 2 good examples are the video game Star Trek, which takes place between the 2009 movie and Into Darkness, and the video game Aliens: Colonial Marines. While both were not seen on TV or theaters, they were both declared canon. Star Trek actually has an event that is referenced in Into Darkness, the part where McCoy talks about a Pregnant Gorn, and Colonial Marines is considered a direct sequel to the movie Aliens, and not only references the events of Aliens, but the DLC even references Alien 3 to explain how Hicks is still alive when he was declared dead in Alien 3.
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
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I should know better than to get into these discussions about canon.
42 was the answer to how many Angels can dance on the head of a pin. (Bet you thought it was the answer to 'The Ultimate Question').
I may be a bit confused but I remember watching Star Trek on NBC. So if they said canon was different back then it doesn't count now that CBS owns it? In that case, if the Koch Brothers bought the Franchise and declared that only the Original Star Trek was canon, is everybody going to go home and cry?
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Nope. Like litre, metre is spelt with the 're' ending indicative of its French roots.
Americans (and people that use that branch of spelling) reverse the 're' to their 'er' ending whether it's correct or not. It's not correct and neither is us spelling sulphur with a 'ph' rather than a 'f'. The fact still remains that metre is a length and meter is a instrument.
Meter is an instrument? What?
Anyways... it doesn't matter HOW its spelled when you consider the context it is used in. You can spell it either way, but if the context indicates unit of mesurement than it is a unit of measurement. 'RE', 'ER', pretty much the same argument as how one pronounces either Tomato or Potato with a long or short A.
Instrument, as in thermometer, voltmeter, colourmeter, spectrophotometer.
The context is important but the spelling is even more so. The instrument can only be spelt 'er' so metre uses 're' to avoid that.
As to Canon, any source can be considered canon if it is declared to be so by the owners. 2 good examples are the video game Star Trek, which takes place between the 2009 movie and Into Darkness, and the video game Aliens: Colonial Marines. While both were not seen on TV or theaters, they were both declared canon. Star Trek actually has an event that is referenced in Into Darkness, the part where McCoy talks about a Pregnant Gorn, and Colonial Marines is considered a direct sequel to the movie Aliens, and not only references the events of Aliens, but the DLC even references Alien 3 to explain how Hicks is still alive when he was declared dead in Alien 3.
Referencing the pregnant Gorn does not make that game canon. It's just something that happens in the film with no context, a 'noodle incident'.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Nope. Like litre, metre is spelt with the 're' ending indicative of its French roots.
Americans (and people that use that branch of spelling) reverse the 're' to their 'er' ending whether it's correct or not. It's not correct and neither is us spelling sulphur with a 'ph' rather than a 'f'. The fact still remains that metre is a length and meter is a instrument.
Meter is an instrument? What?
Anyways... it doesn't matter HOW its spelled when you consider the context it is used in. You can spell it either way, but if the context indicates unit of mesurement than it is a unit of measurement. 'RE', 'ER', pretty much the same argument as how one pronounces either Tomato or Potato with a long or short A.
Instrument, as in thermometer, voltmeter, colourmeter, spectrophotometer.
The context is important but the spelling is even more so. The instrument can only be spelt 'er' so metre uses 're' to avoid that.
Unless your using a thermometre, voltmetre, colorimetre or spectrophotometre?
Odd. The French made spectrophotometers at work are spelt thus.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Another words, Americans get special permission...because reasons.
Anyway, ship looks big, looks like it did in the movie, does a few metres really mean anything?
In my country we say "metr", not meter or metre And i am sure, that in Germany, they say "meter" both for distance unit and for a device.
Scimitar is as big as they wanted to make it big . Scimitar of the game is not exactly the same prototype scimitar from the film. There's nothing you can do about it.
Because surpassing warp 9.9 was called "transwarp" before, I think.
... Transwarp speed was defined to be past Warp 9.99 to be exact. True transwarp speed was Warp 10, aka Transwarp 1. Transwarp 2 was Warp 20, and so on. As for the Scimitar, it was copied off blueprints from the original. Of course it would not be the exact same size as the original.
Yeah, Canon. Which means that Kirk & Company all died in 'Spock's Brain'. Sigma Draconis III, IV, and VI were the only habitable planets. They go down to VI. Beam back up and then Checkov notes in the Captain's Log that they beamed down to VII. Non-habitable, so they all died.
So be very careful about this Canon BS. You may end up like Norman and blow out your circuits trying to make sense of it all.
No, they don't die t here in canon. We can see that, because the next episode they are still alive.
Maybe the "habitable" standard is a bit more than "An away team can survive a few hours there". Maybe the planet turns less hospitable over time.
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No, they don't die t here in canon. We can see that, because the next episode they are still alive.
Maybe the "habitable" standard is a bit more than "An away team can survive a few hours there". Maybe the planet turns less hospitable over time.
There's no point in trying to justify the Sigma Draconis VI or VII debate, maybe that is what Itminns was going for. This is clearly a mistake, Kirk refers to the same planet as Sigma Draconis VI earlier and afterwards in the log he says VII. It's simply a mistake, no need to try to find an explanation for this.
This is like the "Colonel" West in undiscovered country - there is no such rank in Starfleet and the character wears a Vice Admiral insignia. Referring to him as colonel is a script error (probably due to the writers unfamiliarity with Starfleet or it was just not paying attention), plain and simple, no need to make up "Starfleet Army" or some nonsense to justify the colonel being in there.
We can only conlude error - Sigma Draconis VII is not the planet they beam down to, yet they mention it afterwards - doesn't make sense. Colonel west is the only time a "colonel" rank was mentioned in the entirety of Star Trek and in that one instance he wore a canonical rank insignia of a Starfleet vice admiral. Only conclusion is error, he was a vice admiral. Also, it doesn't help that the entire character and performance was originally cut from the release.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Ok...Why does it matter? It's a game. The point is to have fun. This isn't Galaxy Quest. Do you know what matters? The Dilithium
Exchange is going through the roof and no one seems to care. That's something to complain about. The size of a Ship is not one of them.
For some reason I can only see the original post and none of the comments. I was curious to see some people weigh in on this. A lot of these scales seem way off. A D'Deridex isn't that big for starters.
IIRC, the D'deridex Class (Romulan Warbird) was "@nearly twice the overall length of a Galaxy (641 meters) Class Cruiser" (@ 1985 Star Trek Encyclopedia)..
Additionally, I can't remember the episode/movie, but I distinctly remember one of the Enterprise's hitching a ride between the warp nacells of the Warbird to provide a protective cloak for the Enterprise..
So.. If anything.. The D'Deridex is waayyy to small in-game.. But I'm okay with it.. It doesn't need fixed.. :O)
No, they don't die t here in canon. We can see that, because the next episode they are still alive.
Maybe the "habitable" standard is a bit more than "An away team can survive a few hours there". Maybe the planet turns less hospitable over time.
There's no point in trying to justify the Sigma Draconis VI or VII debate, maybe that is what Itminns was going for. This is clearly a mistake, Kirk refers to the same planet as Sigma Draconis VI earlier and afterwards in the log he says VII. It's simply a mistake, no need to try to find an explanation for this.
This is like the "Colonel" West in undiscovered country - there is no such rank in Starfleet and the character wears a Vice Admiral insignia. Referring to him as colonel is a script error (probably due to the writers unfamiliarity with Starfleet or it was just not paying attention), plain and simple, no need to make up "Starfleet Army" or some nonsense to justify the colonel being in there.
We can only conlude error - Sigma Draconis VII is not the planet they beam down to, yet they mention it afterwards - doesn't make sense. Colonel west is the only time a "colonel" rank was mentioned in the entirety of Star Trek and in that one instance he wore a canonical rank insignia of a Starfleet vice admiral. Only conclusion is error, he was a vice admiral. Also, it doesn't help that the entire character and performance was originally cut from the release.
Maybe Colonel is his first name.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Why have all died? Canonically they survived. It seems you don't use the canon term correctly. One is still able to spot production errors and can think for themselves. Whenever someone wears a wrong uniform or rank insignia it doesn't mean they have canonically been transferred or demoted. You still have to think for yourself, even when talking canon
Errors are distinguishable from "actual events" because they rectify themselves. When Kirk and Sulu refer to Sigma Draconis VII but all are safe and sound they obviously didn't go to that planet, especially since Kirk refers to it correctly as VI before. When La Forge misses a rank pip for one scene but wears his usual rank in the next scene you know that this was just an error, not a canonical change.
Canon can also change by later lines. For isntance one could argue that "Threshold" is invalidated by Tom Paris saying he never surpassed warp speed in a later episode which with behind the scenes info makes sense as even the writers hated the episode
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Thought needs to be utilized there also. I believe that Shooting Scripts, cut scenes, even the Blish official novelizations can be considered Canon as well.
As an example, though nothing is officially said, we all imply that Kirk had sex with Deela in 'Wink of an Eye' because we see him pulling his boots on later. Sometimes we need to imply or conjecture stuff that happened even though it was not on screen.
And as an aside about Shooting Scripts, compare Roger C. Carmel's lines in 'Mudd's Women' and what he actually said on screen. An ad-libber he sure was - to the betterment and fleshing out of his part to a more beloved part of Star Trek, than otherwise.
Anyway, this can devolve into a something like the old attributed monastical debates on how many Angels can dance on the head of a pin.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
That's your believe and that's fine. We just cannot agree on that as the last known definition of canon is the one given before.
Now, you assuming that implied scenes didn't happen because there weren't actually shown however does indeed suggest you misapply the term or you exaggerate to dramatic effect to make a point because it really doesn't make much sense to me. Who or why would anyone deny that the scene you described played out that way? It doesn't make sense as the episode used all elements it could to suggest what happened. On the other hand, you cannot use information from novels to fill a gap canonically. You can reference it, say you think that's a good idea, but it cannot be, by definition, canon. But those two things (the scene with Kirk and for example what Riker did after TNG) are two completely different animals.
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Are you another troll or khan1000 lover? Here is the definition:
The meter (abbreviation, m; the British spelling is metre) is the International System of Units (SI) unit of displacement or length. One meter is the distance traveled by a ray of electromagnetic (EM) energy through a vacuum in 1/299,792,458 (3.33564095 x 10-9) of a second. The meter was originally defined as one ten-millionth (0.0000001 or 10-7) of the distance, as measured over the earth's surface in a great circle passing through Paris, France, from the geographic north pole to the equator.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Paris said he'd never travelled in a Transwarp Corridor, not that he'd never been faster then warp before.
Nope. Like litre, metre is spelt with the 're' ending indicative of its French roots.
Americans (and people that use that branch of spelling) reverse the 're' to their 'er' ending whether it's correct or not. It's not correct and neither is us spelling sulphur with a 'ph' rather than a 'f'. The fact still remains that metre is a length and meter is a instrument.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Are you sure? I always used this line as a means to handwave away threshold
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I'm sure it was specifically the corridor as that was the type of Transwarp they were using that episode.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Meter is an instrument? What?
Anyways... it doesn't matter HOW its spelled when you consider the context it is used in. You can spell it either way, but if the context indicates unit of mesurement than it is a unit of measurement. 'RE', 'ER', pretty much the same argument as how one pronounces either Tomato or Potato with a long or short A.
As to Canon, any source can be considered canon if it is declared to be so by the owners. 2 good examples are the video game Star Trek, which takes place between the 2009 movie and Into Darkness, and the video game Aliens: Colonial Marines. While both were not seen on TV or theaters, they were both declared canon. Star Trek actually has an event that is referenced in Into Darkness, the part where McCoy talks about a Pregnant Gorn, and Colonial Marines is considered a direct sequel to the movie Aliens, and not only references the events of Aliens, but the DLC even references Alien 3 to explain how Hicks is still alive when he was declared dead in Alien 3.
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42 was the answer to how many Angels can dance on the head of a pin. (Bet you thought it was the answer to 'The Ultimate Question').
I may be a bit confused but I remember watching Star Trek on NBC. So if they said canon was different back then it doesn't count now that CBS owns it? In that case, if the Koch Brothers bought the Franchise and declared that only the Original Star Trek was canon, is everybody going to go home and cry?
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Another words, Americans get special permission...because reasons.
Anyway, ship looks big, looks like it did in the movie, does a few metres really mean anything?
Instrument, as in thermometer, voltmeter, colourmeter, spectrophotometer.
The context is important but the spelling is even more so. The instrument can only be spelt 'er' so metre uses 're' to avoid that.
Referencing the pregnant Gorn does not make that game canon. It's just something that happens in the film with no context, a 'noodle incident'.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Unless your using a thermometre, voltmetre, colorimetre or spectrophotometre?
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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In my country we say "metr", not meter or metre
Scimitar is as big as they wanted to make it big . Scimitar of the game is not exactly the same prototype scimitar from the film. There's nothing you can do about it.
... Transwarp speed was defined to be past Warp 9.99 to be exact. True transwarp speed was Warp 10, aka Transwarp 1. Transwarp 2 was Warp 20, and so on. As for the Scimitar, it was copied off blueprints from the original. Of course it would not be the exact same size as the original.
Maybe the "habitable" standard is a bit more than "An away team can survive a few hours there". Maybe the planet turns less hospitable over time.
I see what you did there.
And who freaking cares about slight difference in size?
Metre, meter... theatre theater... semantics. Same BS different spellings.
My 2 strips of gold pressed latinum.
There's no point in trying to justify the Sigma Draconis VI or VII debate, maybe that is what Itminns was going for. This is clearly a mistake, Kirk refers to the same planet as Sigma Draconis VI earlier and afterwards in the log he says VII. It's simply a mistake, no need to try to find an explanation for this.
This is like the "Colonel" West in undiscovered country - there is no such rank in Starfleet and the character wears a Vice Admiral insignia. Referring to him as colonel is a script error (probably due to the writers unfamiliarity with Starfleet or it was just not paying attention), plain and simple, no need to make up "Starfleet Army" or some nonsense to justify the colonel being in there.
We can only conlude error - Sigma Draconis VII is not the planet they beam down to, yet they mention it afterwards - doesn't make sense. Colonel west is the only time a "colonel" rank was mentioned in the entirety of Star Trek and in that one instance he wore a canonical rank insignia of a Starfleet vice admiral. Only conclusion is error, he was a vice admiral. Also, it doesn't help that the entire character and performance was originally cut from the release.
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Exchange is going through the roof and no one seems to care. That's something to complain about. The size of a Ship is not one of them.
IIRC, the D'deridex Class (Romulan Warbird) was "@nearly twice the overall length of a Galaxy (641 meters) Class Cruiser" (@ 1985 Star Trek Encyclopedia)..
Additionally, I can't remember the episode/movie, but I distinctly remember one of the Enterprise's hitching a ride between the warp nacells of the Warbird to provide a protective cloak for the Enterprise..
So.. If anything.. The D'Deridex is waayyy to small in-game.. But I'm okay with it.. It doesn't need fixed.. :O)
Maybe Colonel is his first name.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Funniest post of the year so far. No idea why, but I just lost my mind for a good 10 mins over this reply pic.
No more funnies till 2017 Targ. Kthanks!
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Excellent choice of pic
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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