Playable Cardassians

mirrorchaos

Those here who once discussed the idea of playable Cardassians on the game, even if its a z-store unlockable. Whatever happened to the idea of playable Cardassians? The Devs had created the recent remastered Cardassian arc but i have not forgotten about them in between all this content thats recently come out, even if others may have.

So Basically that is the question i have; will there be a playable Cardassian faction or at the least a race option in the other factions at some point?

(Aliengen wont cut it, as it is called an "alien male" or "alien female", so generic and non-specific)

yakodym

It has neither been confirmed nor denied. IIRC the only thing we know for sure is that the devs don't want to release any more Cardassian ships via lockboxes etc., to keep their options open.

borg0vermind

Borg.

nikephorus

I'd like a old school dominion faction which includes the cardassians. That would give quite a few playable races.

themartian

I've been wondering myself if remastering the Cardassian arc was part of the plan to introduce playable Cardassians. I'd be happy if it was handled similar to the way Romulans are as a partial faction alligned to either the Feds or the Klingon Empire with Cardassians, Jem'Hadar, Vorta and perhaps Breen as PCs and Boffs.

bobbydazlers

nikephorus wrote: »

I'd like a old school dominion faction which includes the cardassians. That would give quite a few playable races.

I don't see a dominion faction of offering many playable races.
the dominion is made up of Founders, Vorta and Jem'Hadar.
founders would be unlikely to command a ship as they are the primarily the ruling body similar in status to the political leaders of a country and therefore unlikely to face any extreme combat though they might do the odd bit of spying disguised as a federation or Klingon politician.
you might have a Jem'Hadar piloting a small fighter as they were basically the cannon fodder but it would be unlikely for them to command a star ship unless they rebelled against their leading Vorta but even if they did this would be short lived as the Vorta controlled the distribution of the ketracel-white and the container could only be opened by the Vorta.
normally the captaining of a star ship would be done by a Vorta but even then they would not captain a ship in the same way as a federation or Klingon captain would as they were just relaying orders from their far away leading founders so playing a Vorta captain would be very limiting in the choices you could make in a mission and also it would be very unlikely for a Vorta captain to get involved in a ground combat mission as they were pretty cowardly and would in most cases command the Jem'Hadar troops from a distance.

I think it far more likely that a playable faction would be Cardassian but there again you would be limited in your choice of race as Cardassian have a very xenophobic attitude towards other species so you would be limited to a single race choice.

the only time the Cardassian race allied with another race was during the dominion war and that was only because they thought at the time it served their purpose, when you consider how that alliance ended it would be very unlikely for them to form a new dominion alliance and the results of the last allience only further increased their xenophobic attitude.

this also might be a problem if the new race is a half faction similar to the rom faction as at some point your captain would need to form an alliance with the fed or kdf and this brings up again their xenophobic attitude.

this may be why the devs are having problems coming up with a believable back story for the new Cardassian faction.

this may mean that a Cardassian faction would be a whole faction but this would lead to problems with the romulan faction as it would be wrong to have roms as the only half faction, this may require a complete redo so the romulan faction alliance ends at some point perhaps when you reach lv60 and at that point the romulan captain breaks away from your alliance choice or even removing the alliance part altogether, this will require a lot of work in the form of doff missions obtainable at new rom and romulan starbases and other holdings.

cidjack

They have been added, but no one told you.

lordpraesius

I'd love to see the Breen as a playable race with the big reveal that the suits are how the Breen Confederacy keeps their people united as Breen isn't actually a species, but hundreds of species that mask their appearance and voice for a double purpose: 1) it keeps outsiders from learning about them, and 2) removes any existing racial prejudice between member species when a new species is conquered or joins willingly.

I know that's only one of two major explanations in non canon works (the other being that they're some sort of gaseous or liquid beings that dissolve when the suits are removed) but we know that it's not their homeworld being some sort of frozen waste as they'd like outsiders to believe going by Weyoun's comment that it's actually quite warm. I, personally, prefer the multiple species explanation because it makes a lot more sense for the Confederacy than any other. It would be neat to basically have full character generator options like making an alien to create what the character looks like under the suit.


However, back on topic, playable Cardassians make no sense being aligned with the Dominion aside from True Way Cardies. Even then, I don't think they'd trust the Dominion a second time when they were shoved into the back seat the moment the Breen joined up and nearly lost their planet, not to mention the decades of reconstruction that was necessary after the Dominion war ended. No, Cardassians will need to be a stand alone faction. Maybe like the Romulans where you can side with a faction, the True Way having an unsteady, precarious alliance with the KDF and the Cardassian Union could have an alliance with the UFP through the Castellan (Elim Garak) or his successor if PWI can't get CBS to sign off on Garak.

themartian

bobbydazlers wrote: »

nikephorus wrote: »

I'd like a old school dominion faction which includes the cardassians. That would give quite a few playable races.

I don't see a dominion faction of offering many playable races.
the dominion is made up of Founders, Vorta and Jem'Hadar.
founders would be unlikely to command a ship as they are the primarily the ruling body similar in status to the political leaders of a country and therefore unlikely to face any extreme combat though they might do the odd bit of spying disguised as a federation or Klingon politician.
you might have a Jem'Hadar piloting a small fighter as they were basically the cannon fodder but it would be unlikely for them to command a star ship unless they rebelled against their leading Vorta but even if they did this would be short lived as the Vorta controlled the distribution of the ketracel-white and the container could only be opened by the Vorta.
normally the captaining of a star ship would be done by a Vorta but even then they would not captain a ship in the same way as a federation or Klingon captain would as they were just relaying orders from their far away leading founders so playing a Vorta captain would be very limiting in the choices you could make in a mission and also it would be very unlikely for a Vorta captain to get involved in a ground combat mission as they were pretty cowardly and would in most cases command the Jem'Hadar troops from a distance.

I think it far more likely that a playable faction would be Cardassian but there again you would be limited in your choice of race as Cardassian have a very xenophobic attitude towards other species so you would be limited to a single race choice.

the only time the Cardassian race allied with another race was during the dominion war and that was only because they thought at the time it served their purpose, when you consider how that alliance ended it would be very unlikely for them to form a new dominion alliance and the results of the last allience only further increased their xenophobic attitude.

this also might be a problem if the new race is a half faction similar to the rom faction as at some point your captain would need to form an alliance with the fed or kdf and this brings up again their xenophobic attitude.

this may be why the devs are having problems coming up with a believable back story for the new Cardassian faction.

this may mean that a Cardassian faction would be a whole faction but this would lead to problems with the romulan faction as it would be wrong to have roms as the only half faction, this may require a complete redo so the romulan faction alliance ends at some point perhaps when you reach lv60 and at that point the romulan captain breaks away from your alliance choice or even removing the alliance part altogether, this will require a lot of work in the form of doff missions obtainable at new rom and romulan starbases and other holdings.

Having played through the new Cardassian arc (SPOILERS AHEAD), they have left themselves room to reinterpret how the Alpha Quadrant Dominion works. The Founders in the AQ have been lied to up to this point, but at the end of the arc they're left to re-evaluate their relationship with the Federation/Empire/Republic. They may want to see the galaxy for themselves instead of relying on a proxy. I personally wouldn't want to see Founder PCs from a gameplay perspective, though they could be made to work.

Jem'Hadar can command ships, but they are supervised by Vorta. I don't see any reason that could not be explained by dialogue that has a Vorta NPC (or perhaps a boff) give you your mission rewards. You mention that they are following orders from the Founders, but that's true for all captains whether they're Fed, KDF or Romulans. They all have to complete the mission in the way their superiors will approve off.

Cardassians do have a misplaced sense of their own superiority, sometimes outright xenophobia, but not to the extent that they won't align with others when it's in their interest. They were quite ready to throw their lot in with the Dominion. Garak was willing to work with Starfleet, Tain with the Tal Shiar.

czertik321

yes, we need playable cardies and story arc for them, and i greatly miss greatest character of all st - elim garak, yeah, greater than picard, kirk and sisko combined.

nateham101

I would prefer they fix the major bugs and graphics issues before they release new playable anything. Just sayin

kjwashington

themartian wrote: »

bobbydazlers wrote: »

nikephorus wrote: »

I'd like a old school dominion faction which includes the cardassians. That would give quite a few playable races.

I don't see a dominion faction of offering many playable races.
the dominion is made up of Founders, Vorta and Jem'Hadar.
founders would be unlikely to command a ship as they are the primarily the ruling body similar in status to the political leaders of a country and therefore unlikely to face any extreme combat though they might do the odd bit of spying disguised as a federation or Klingon politician.
you might have a Jem'Hadar piloting a small fighter as they were basically the cannon fodder but it would be unlikely for them to command a star ship unless they rebelled against their leading Vorta but even if they did this would be short lived as the Vorta controlled the distribution of the ketracel-white and the container could only be opened by the Vorta.
normally the captaining of a star ship would be done by a Vorta but even then they would not captain a ship in the same way as a federation or Klingon captain would as they were just relaying orders from their far away leading founders so playing a Vorta captain would be very limiting in the choices you could make in a mission and also it would be very unlikely for a Vorta captain to get involved in a ground combat mission as they were pretty cowardly and would in most cases command the Jem'Hadar troops from a distance.

I think it far more likely that a playable faction would be Cardassian but there again you would be limited in your choice of race as Cardassian have a very xenophobic attitude towards other species so you would be limited to a single race choice.

the only time the Cardassian race allied with another race was during the dominion war and that was only because they thought at the time it served their purpose, when you consider how that alliance ended it would be very unlikely for them to form a new dominion alliance and the results of the last allience only further increased their xenophobic attitude.

this also might be a problem if the new race is a half faction similar to the rom faction as at some point your captain would need to form an alliance with the fed or kdf and this brings up again their xenophobic attitude.

this may be why the devs are having problems coming up with a believable back story for the new Cardassian faction.

this may mean that a Cardassian faction would be a whole faction but this would lead to problems with the romulan faction as it would be wrong to have roms as the only half faction, this may require a complete redo so the romulan faction alliance ends at some point perhaps when you reach lv60 and at that point the romulan captain breaks away from your alliance choice or even removing the alliance part altogether, this will require a lot of work in the form of doff missions obtainable at new rom and romulan starbases and other holdings.

Having played through the new Cardassian arc (SPOILERS AHEAD), they have left themselves room to reinterpret how the Alpha Quadrant Dominion works. The Founders in the AQ have been lied to up to this point, but at the end of the arc they're left to re-evaluate their relationship with the Federation/Empire/Republic. They may want to see the galaxy for themselves instead of relying on a proxy. I personally wouldn't want to see Founder PCs from a gameplay perspective, though they could be made to work.

Jem'Hadar can command ships, but they are supervised by Vorta. I don't see any reason that could not be explained by dialogue that has a Vorta NPC (or perhaps a boff) give you your mission rewards. You mention that they are following orders from the Founders, but that's true for all captains whether they're Fed, KDF or Romulans. They all have to complete the mission in the way their superiors will approve off.

Cardassians do have a misplaced sense of their own superiority, sometimes outright xenophobia, but not to the extent that they won't align with others when it's in their interest. They were quite ready to throw their lot in with the Dominion. Garak was willing to work with Starfleet, Tain with the Tal Shiar.

I can actually see the Vorta BOff idea working similar to Tovan. You can't delete him/her (whatever the gender of the Vorta is), but they'll order you around. And unlike Tovan, it'll make sense this time for a BOff to be bossing you around.

twg042370

About Tovan: I always saw the Romulan story arc as more like Space Captain Harlock where your crew of space pirates are aligned with D'Tan goals but are more left to their follow their own paths rather than members of a proper military. So your ship and it's crew are more a collection of equals who tend to follow your orders because you're the one with the best ideas. Tovan doesn't really yap anymore than the others, he's just more comfy with talking to you like a pal than as a leader.

Cardassians: Rumor mill always said that the next big update would be Bajor wormhole-oriented. Unless they're going to have Adventure on Ferenginar as the next season (Which I would play), saving playable Cardassians for that would make sense. (So would using that to redo DS9 now that the Voyager/ TOS bridge showed they can indeed fit the camera into a smaller space.)

A Bajor based expansion not on the agenda means that there is absolutely no reason why Cardassians haven't been a playable race all along and someone just decided they shouldn't be in the game. Perhaps a sad and resentful Damar fan at CBS?

lianthelia

If they're gonna create a Cardassian faction it's going to be a expansion, we just got DR a little over a year ago so if they're working on it, it's still in development.

Like @yakodym has said it isn't confirmed or denied...LoR and DR were pretty under wraps till their announcement...expansion 3 would be the same I imagine.

mirrorchaos

almost all the answers so far are as expected, but still was hoping to see more support for the cardassians. there is one pretend troll and thats it so far as far as the rest goes.

Elim Garak himself mentioned at the end after the Domnion were forced out the alpha quadrant, the Cardassia he knew was gone, even Damar realised this when he killed an old collegue to prove a point. One thing stood out was that he saw Cardassia attacking their neighbours with reckless arrogance and aggression and lamented about the previous cardassia. His cardassia is gone but he did say that there is hope for the future, it implies that the cardassians will at least try to open their eyes to what they did and realized their ambitions outstripped their dignity and good sense after what had happened.

Yes some cardassians would like be angry, scared and confused, some may even fly into a rage, however only the military showed a xenophobic side, the order didn't care about race, everyone was studied and targeted if they had a meal that was different from usual within the union, they would simply disappear. the ministry of justice didn't care either, as long as their sense of justice prevailed, only the military officers with a large ego and believed in cardassian superiority were the ones to provide this sense of xenophobia. However considering those recent events and millions of cardassian officers perished because of the ambition of a few cardassian military officers who put their own goals ahead of the entire union, in the end, the only ones who are to blame are themselves for these actions. They may have learned a number of valauble lessons about respect for others and playing nice with others as well, not just those of other races and factions but those within.

yakodym

Well, the topic of playable Cardassians has been around for some time, kinda like the topic of playable Jupiter, and chances are it will turn out in quite the similar way (minus the voting part): Devs will eventually give us something, which will make half of players overjoyed for finally getting to play as Cardies (not makeshift Cardassian-ish aliens), and which will TRIBBLE off the other half of players for not living up to their expectations ;-)

flash525

...here we go again, bang on Christmas day too. I don't think Saint Nick is going to come through on this occasion.

As already stated, playable Cardassians have neither been confirmed, nor denied by Cryptic. That likely means that work has been done on them (or is being done on them) but in the background, awaiting a suitable time to release them whilst not divulging any details of their arrival.

I figure that they'll wait until the playerbase drops (due to boredom) below a certain level, then they'll release this wonderful new announcement about a new mini faction they're working on; Cardassians. That'll be released, all shiny and stuff, bring back a bunch of people who will soon realize that it's a carbon copy of the doomed Republic (the first mini faction that still hasn't been finished) and they (players) will slowly drop off again.

We're not likely to get a Dominion faction for the same reason we wouldn't get a Star Empire Romulan faction; they're considered bad guys. That, and they've already released a whole bunch of the Dominion ships in them boxes. It's possible that Jem Hadar and Vorta might make their way to a Cardassian C-Store Purchase, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Regardless, by this time, I expect I'll be long gone. I can't see it happening for another year or two, even if then.

cidjack

Sith.

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sovereign47

Well like I said in a ''Your third faction'' thread next year is 50th Star Trek anniversary, and therefore I'm certain that STO devs will introduce something really big to the game. I really don't have a better idea of what that might be besides an entirely new faction (most probably Cardassian and perhaps including Dominion too). Just wait for the next year and let the information about it slowly come up and build the hype. Besides they already hinted something about by that Cardassian arc revamp and also by not releasing anymore of Cardassian lock box ships. I would bet million dollars on it, 'cause I'm pretty certain we are going to see it happen at the very day of 50th anniversary. It is only logical, as Spock would say

FOR CARDASSIA!

penemue

mirrorchaos wrote: »

So Basically that is the question i have; will there be a playable Cardassian faction or at the least a race option in the other factions at some point?

Hopefully if they do it the Cardassians won't be so subjugated as the New Romulans. When I saw the giant statue of Spock on New Romulus I started believing the Tal Shiar is right to try to wipe out anyone allied with D'Tan. There should be a giant statue of Spock in Star Trek Online - it just shouldn't be on New Romulus. I.E. I hate the Romulan Republic - the last thing I want to see is some rebel Cardassian plot line about Cardassians who are just interested in unification with the Federation and have a giant statue of Sisko on their planet.

mirrorchaos

penemue#7777 wrote: »

mirrorchaos wrote: »

So Basically that is the question i have; will there be a playable Cardassian faction or at the least a race option in the other factions at some point?

Hopefully if they do it the Cardassians won't be so subjugated as the New Romulans. When I saw the giant statue of Spock on New Romulus I started believing the Tal Shiar is right to try to wipe out anyone allied with D'Tan. There should be a giant statue of Spock in Star Trek Online - it just shouldn't be on New Romulus. I.E. I hate the Romulan Republic - the last thing I want to see is some rebel Cardassian plot line about Cardassians who are just interested in unification with the Federation and have a giant statue of Sisko on their planet.

it would probably be mostly about cardassian freedom from the treaty of bajor, a new beginning in a similar line to the RR but rather than something new like the RR itself, the cardassian government decides to pick up the slack and pull their own weight for once, get their military and economy back on track, let the federation, klingons and romulans take ships out of cardassian space for other means elsewhere while Cardassia can patrol its own borders. something would have to trigger events to force the cardassians to change though, something significant enough that the federation, klingons and romulans realize that it is better to unchain the cardassians and let them get involved, let them rebuild diplomatic bridges on a more equal footing and so on.

the new arc actually mentions nothing on Cardassia or it's government, not in any shape or form, meaning that the gates are open for a potential cardassian plot. i mean the cardassians are the last remaining power in tha alpha/beta quadrants that are primary to the various series that have yet to be played in player hands.

tmassx

nikephorus wrote: »

I'd like a old school dominion faction which includes the cardassians. That would give quite a few playable races.

Cardassians as the Dominion puppet again? NO

Cardassians as the mini-faction . YES

kodachikuno

spoonheads should just be a z-store unlock... cryptic wants us all to be fedrats anyways and refuses to even pretend otherwise. Never understood the fascination with them really... just quasi-reptile romulans instead of normal romulans

horridperson

The Cardassians are Feds; there is no choice between factions or independent. The ships they had (in spite of lockbox pimping) were inferior to those of the powers of the Beta quadrant in the 2370s and since their planet got bombed into the stone ages and they became member of the UFP I can't see any justification for a Cardassian ship building program ever coming to fruition.

The most interesting quirk of the Cardassians might have been their Intelligence service which is in opposition to the existing factions and unless they change the inter faction dynamic will never become playable. The only thing more annoying than Detapa Cardassians are any variety of Bajoran.

I would like to see playable Vorta and Jem Hadar unlocks if they released Changelings to LTS. I think it would be awesome to be a founder and they could make Vorta and JH players have to bow and grovel like the party amplifier makes people dance.

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jorantomalak

Ive long since given up on cardassians in this game other then NPCs or alien gen creations its become a joke of sorts in a manner of saying "Hey KDF we will give you a shiny new ship , the day we make a cardassian faction"

Stuff like that i think we have about as much chance of a cardassian faction as we have the cryptic devs showing some real love for the KDF.

twg042370

Of course the devs love the KDF.

Who else are they gonna make fun of at office meetings?

flash525

f2pdrakron wrote: »

Things are scheduled, if they have a expansion planned to 2016 then its going to be announced in 2016, they arent going to talk about it before, certainly not with 8 months away from it, it will be announced after a season was released and before its released.

NOBODY is going to stick around for 6-10 months because Cardassians would be coming nor it would it would have a significant impact on the player population, people come WITH the LoR, not with the announcement and quite frankly I have zero interest on starting from scratch having to do likely 10 reputation track at the same time just to end up exactly were I am after 2-3 arcs, pre-DR I would but now? Hell no.

I didn't mean people would stick about, but they'd be around when it launched.

I'm not convinced though that they have a schedule for this. They're probably saving a [would be] release for a last resort, and the leveling process would likely be similar to a Delta Recruit.

scrooge69

borg0vermind wrote: »

Borg.

yep id say you stzart as a drone do collective stuff hear millions of vocies in yaa head and then

ship gets attacked or attacks fed guys you get captured and disconnected from the hive etc etc