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Any plans to fix some dialogue issues for non-Klingon KDF players?

rambowdoubledashrambowdoubledash Member Posts: 298 Arc User
Basically...it's kind of weird to be playing an Orion, Ferasan, Lethean, or basically anything that isn't Klingon, but have all dialogue in-game treat your character as though he or she is Klingon - both in terms of NPCs talking to you, and you spouting off stuff in random bits of dialogue in Klingon, talking about honor, and so on.

Reman characters in the Republic and non-human Federation characters have a similar problem, but on a much smaller scale since KDF dialogue basically assumes a born and bred Klingon in terms of culture, language, and motivation, whereas the other two mostly just have species issues.
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  • kyrrokkyrrok Member Posts: 1,352 Arc User
    edited December 2015
    Unfortunately we have to get used to it. Soon enough, we're all Starfleet officers. Dialogue tailored to distinct species is more work than they will tolerate, so it's very unlikely to happen.
  • rambowdoubledashrambowdoubledash Member Posts: 298 Arc User
    Well, going the other direction and making the KDF dialogue non-species specific wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

    You could keep the Qapla's and other similar things as being osmosis from being a part of the KDF, of course.
  • kyrrokkyrrok Member Posts: 1,352 Arc User
    You got my vote on that too. :)
  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    Your gorn will drink his blood wine, your orion TRIBBLE will be honorable, and you ferasan will worship Khaless... and you(the players) love it!
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  • gradiigradii Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    My orion IS honorable and not a TRIBBLE.. I have few issues with the KDF dialouge and would not appreciate being forced into another dialouge option..

    "He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
    Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
    he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
    In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
    He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
    He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
    He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
    He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
  • betayuyabetayuya Member Posts: 1,059 Arc User
    gradii wrote: »
    My orion IS honorable and not a TRIBBLE.. I have few issues with the KDF dialouge and would not appreciate being forced into another dialouge option..

    I take it we both have the only dressed Orions in the game, props hehe

    but as for authenticity of the species, would be a good edit to the species dialog, possibly even some background included in it, but the only factor is the Dialog work they would have to do, lot of work for the outcome I'm sure.
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  • gradiigradii Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    betayuya wrote: »
    gradii wrote: »
    My orion IS honorable and not a TRIBBLE.. I have few issues with the KDF dialouge and would not appreciate being forced into another dialouge option..

    I take it we both have the only dressed Orions in the game, props hehe

    but as for authenticity of the species, would be a good edit to the species dialog, possibly even some background included in it, but the only factor is the Dialog work they would have to do, lot of work for the outcome I'm sure.

    ONLY and ONLY if it ends up as another OPTION where we can still pick the default.

    "He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
    Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
    he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
    In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
    He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
    He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
    He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
    He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    gradii wrote: »
    My orion IS honorable and not a TRIBBLE..

    so... less an orion, more a human with a really odd spray-on-tan choice
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    tacofangs wrote: »
    STO isn't canon, and neither are any of the books.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    betayuya wrote: »
    gradii wrote: »
    My orion IS honorable and not a TRIBBLE.. I have few issues with the KDF dialouge and would not appreciate being forced into another dialouge option..

    I take it we both have the only dressed Orions in the game, props hehe

    but as for authenticity of the species, would be a good edit to the species dialog, possibly even some background included in it, but the only factor is the Dialog work they would have to do, lot of work for the outcome I'm sure.
    there are a few missions that pay attention.

    Oh and I play a male Orion that I RP as a "not-a-Syndicate-member". hehe He's currently dressed as an Iconian. :p
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  • gradiigradii Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    gradii wrote: »
    My orion IS honorable and not a TRIBBLE..

    so... less an orion, more a human with a really odd spray-on-tan choice

    Glad one more romulan finds humans honorable.

    "He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
    Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
    he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
    In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
    He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
    He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
    He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
    He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
  • kyrrokkyrrok Member Posts: 1,352 Arc User
    gradii wrote: »
    betayuya wrote: »
    gradii wrote: »
    My orion IS honorable and not a TRIBBLE.. I have few issues with the KDF dialouge and would not appreciate being forced into another dialouge option..

    I take it we both have the only dressed Orions in the game, props hehe

    but as for authenticity of the species, would be a good edit to the species dialog, possibly even some background included in it, but the only factor is the Dialog work they would have to do, lot of work for the outcome I'm sure.

    ONLY and ONLY if it ends up as another OPTION where we can still pick the default.

    The only thing I would have noted is in Surface Tension, The dialogue option where the KDF player enthusiasticly joins Tuvok in defending Earth is not available. Given the Undine threat was the reason given why there was yet another most unwelcome Fed/Klingon war makes them sound quite hypocritical. At best this is an oversight, and I'm not sure I want to give them the benefit of the doubt there. Either way, I am sorely unappreciative of that.
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,573 Arc User
    All of my Orions, whether KDF Captains or Boffs, or the T4 Diplomacy Boff Award are fully clothed and the same as all the rest of the diverse Boff Roster/Captain.
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    l don't know.
    l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
    That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
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  • ajalenajalen Member Posts: 113 Arc User
    u all are KDF officers - u must fight with Honor !
    even is KDF non-racist and non-klingons can reach high rank in fleet , u still must act like true warrior .........

    but some options in storyline are ......... strange , usually are designed for "nice guys" from Federation and i have serious problem for example in Colliseum prison - say "sorry" to Slamek ....... he is weak and coward

    after all , as we know from Enterprise - Klingons have large Empire BEFORE they have word "sorry" in dictionary

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  • rambowdoubledashrambowdoubledash Member Posts: 298 Arc User
    edited December 2015
    betayuya wrote: »
    I take it we both have the only dressed Orions in the game, props hehe

    Well, my KDF toon is a Klingon due to the aforementioned issues meaning that I'd rather just play a Klingon rather than a Ferasan that goes on and on in a pseudo-Klingon way, but the crew does include an Orion as the security officer, Zifmi. She wears the same red-tinted Bortasqu'-based uniform as the rest of the crew. I also made her as short as possible...because I found it funny when contrasted with my Gorn science officer, who I made as tall as possible.
  • gradiigradii Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    kyrrok wrote: »
    gradii wrote: »
    betayuya wrote: »
    gradii wrote: »
    My orion IS honorable and not a TRIBBLE.. I have few issues with the KDF dialouge and would not appreciate being forced into another dialouge option..

    I take it we both have the only dressed Orions in the game, props hehe

    but as for authenticity of the species, would be a good edit to the species dialog, possibly even some background included in it, but the only factor is the Dialog work they would have to do, lot of work for the outcome I'm sure.

    ONLY and ONLY if it ends up as another OPTION where we can still pick the default.

    The only thing I would have noted is in Surface Tension, The dialogue option where the KDF player enthusiasticly joins Tuvok in defending Earth is not available. Given the Undine threat was the reason given why there was yet another most unwelcome Fed/Klingon war makes them sound quite hypocritical. At best this is an oversight, and I'm not sure I want to give them the benefit of the doubt there. Either way, I am sorely unappreciative of that.

    Yes defending earth is definitely the honorable thing to do, and its dubious why they neglected to give KDF characters that dialouge option.

    "He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
    Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
    he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
    In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
    He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
    He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
    He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
    He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
  • gradiigradii Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    betayuya wrote: »
    I take it we both have the only dressed Orions in the game, props hehe

    Well, my KDF toon is a Klingon due to the aforementioned issues meaning that I'd rather just play a Klingon rather than a Ferasan that goes on and on in a pseudo-Klingon way, but the crew does include an Orion as the security officer, Zifmi. She wears the same red-tinted Bortasqu'-based uniform as the rest of the crew. I also made her as short as possible...because I found it funny when contrasted with my Gorn science officer, who I made as tall as possible.

    I like having an Orion go on and on in a klingon way it's a lot more unique than having an orion go on and on in a steriotypical TRIBBLE way.

    "He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
    Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
    he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
    In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
    He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
    He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
    He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
    He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    This to me been one of the down part of the game. They don't have enough dialog to separate the factions they created. Even the missions are not really there to separate from them. Compared to Wow, they are really lacking in this area.
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  • xanchaxancha Member Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited December 2015
    I have a Female Orion char I RP her as an Honorable Warrior, however I do use the typical Orion female outfit every now and then. On that note I use my KDF Honor Guard set mostly. I know a lot of PPL on here say the Orion outfit is TRIBBLE, but I like it and not for the reason you may think, (get your minds out of the gutter HaHa). for me it just different and it the same as PPL making male char with broad chest and Muscular huge arms (might got of topic here). but I agree with OP but I think romulan faction got it worse after they choose a faction at lv 10 or after the rom story arc for freedom, they treat you as if you are fed or KDF when you pick a faction to ally with.
  • kyrrokkyrrok Member Posts: 1,352 Arc User
    edited December 2015
    xancha wrote: »
    I have a Female Orion char I RP her as an Honorable Warrior, however I do use the typical Orion female outfit every now and then. On that note I use my KDF Honor Guard set mostly. I know a lot of PPL on here say the Orion outfit is TRIBBLE, but I like it and not for the reason you may think, (get your minds out of the gutter HaHa). for me it just different and it the same as PPL making male char with broad chest and Muscular huge arms (might got of topic here). but I agree with OP but I think romulan faction got it worse after they choose a faction at lv 10 or after the rom story arc for freedom, they treat you as if you are fed or KDF when you pick a faction to ally with.

    You'll be surprised how many people disacknowledge Orions as anything other than what stereotypes say they are. Klingons players have similar problems, such as the idea that they are irredeemable, always thuggish, dumber than a bag of hammers, always demanding honor, never doing anything to deserve honor, worthy of extermination, and that they will never be anything better than the piles of $#it they say Klingons are. It doesn't help when some of the devs join in on it too. I remember Tacofang's picture of Kagran with a piece of slime on his forehead. Start disagreeing with them and they use very convenient "logic" and cherry picked facts to tell you why not only your opinion is wrong, but that you were wrong to have that opinion in the first place.
  • mewmaster101mewmaster101 Member Posts: 1,239 Arc User
    Lol, KDF getting anything that is not 100% forced out of the devs, yeah, like that will ever happen........:(
  • horridpersonhorridperson Member Posts: 665 Arc User
    jeghpu'wI' should be grateful for the privilege the Empire has afforded you. All kidding aside it would be nice to see more meaningful dialogue that works to engage the player.
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  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    gradii wrote: »
    gradii wrote: »
    My orion IS honorable and not a TRIBBLE..

    so... less an orion, more a human with a really odd spray-on-tan choice

    Glad one more romulan finds humans honorable.
    well, klingons sent an invasion force after hobus... the feds sent an aid force that some dumbass miner with epic nerd rage blew up
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    tacofangs wrote: »
    STO isn't canon, and neither are any of the books.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    kyrrok wrote: »
    xancha wrote: »
    I have a Female Orion char I RP her as an Honorable Warrior, however I do use the typical Orion female outfit every now and then. On that note I use my KDF Honor Guard set mostly. I know a lot of PPL on here say the Orion outfit is TRIBBLE, but I like it and not for the reason you may think, (get your minds out of the gutter HaHa). for me it just different and it the same as PPL making male char with broad chest and Muscular huge arms (might got of topic here). but I agree with OP but I think romulan faction got it worse after they choose a faction at lv 10 or after the rom story arc for freedom, they treat you as if you are fed or KDF when you pick a faction to ally with.
    You'll be surprised how many people disacknowledge Orions as anything other than what stereotypes say they are. Klingons players have similar problems, such as the idea that they are irredeemable, always thuggish, dumber than a bag of hammers, always demanding honor, never doing anything to deserve honor, worthy of extermination, and that they will never be anything better than the piles of $#it they say Klingons are. It doesn't help when some of the devs join in on it too. I remember Tacofang's picture of Kagran with a piece of slime on his forehead. Start disagreeing with them and they use very convenient "logic" and cherry picked facts to tell you why not only your opinion is wrong, but that you were wrong to have that opinion in the first place.
    It wasn't slime it was a Brain Slug. :p

    Enh... I still think Orions and Gorn are smarter than Klingons. But.... this is not to say I think Klingons are stupid in general. But they do seem to be less intelligent overall than most other major races.
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  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    edited December 2015
    Enh... I still think Orions and Gorn are smarter than Klingons. But.... this is not to say I think Klingons are stupid in general. But they do seem to be less intelligent overall than most other major races.

    I think its less a matter of intelligence and more a combination of society and education... Its like murika... there are pro wrestlers that have had masters and doctorates that go on tv and make asses of themselves because WWE pays more than their field of study would. Why? Because 'Murikaaa is full of dipshits and they have been told to worship sports not intellect. Their brains still have the capacity for so much more but they don't develop it nor do they want to.
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    tacofangs wrote: »
    STO isn't canon, and neither are any of the books.
  • rambowdoubledashrambowdoubledash Member Posts: 298 Arc User
    edited December 2015
    I think its less a matter of intelligence and more a combination of society and education... Its like murika... there are pro wrestlers that have had masters and doctorates that go on tv and make asses of themselves because WWE pays more than their field of study would. Why? Because 'Murikaaa is full of dipshits and they have been told to worship sports not intellect. Their brains still have the capacity for so much more but they don't develop it nor do they want to.

    Eight of the top ten best universities in the world are in America (and the rest are in the UK, and you can go to any site you like and America will still have at least 5 of the top 10 ranked); two of them are in my home state of Massachusetts, even. American culture also considers you to be a failure or at least not really trying hard enough if you don't have some kind of college degree regardless of whether or not your chosen profession really requires it; in my experience this isn't the case elsewhere, certainly not in Ireland, anyway, the foreign country I've been to the most, where their local equivalent of a high school diploma is considered perfectly adequate for most jobs (because it is, you don't need a college degree for most jobs, American culture simply desires that you have one anyway).

    America actually highly values education, thank you very much. This is particularly the case in my home state and home region of Massachusetts and New England, respectively.

    Also the belief that sports and intellect are opposed is a false dichotomy; American football, for example, is a very tactics-based game in which intellect can only aid you. The same is true for virtually any other sport you care to name.
  • chastity1337chastity1337 Member Posts: 1,608 Arc User
    Your orion TRIBBLE will be honorable

    (My two Orion characters look at each other, smirk, and then adopt expressions of angelic innocence as they nod agreement, while trying desperately not to laugh out loud)

  • gradiigradii Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    edited December 2015
    gradii wrote: »
    gradii wrote: »
    My orion IS honorable and not a TRIBBLE..

    so... less an orion, more a human with a really odd spray-on-tan choice

    Glad one more romulan finds humans honorable.
    well, klingons sent an invasion force after hobus... the feds sent an aid force that some dumbass miner with epic nerd rage blew up

    Lol love your description of Nero
    America actually highly values education, thank you very much. This is particularly the case in my home state and home region of Massachusetts and New England, respectively.

    Agreed on this however, you've got a horribly skewed idea of good ol Murrica.

    "He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
    Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
    he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
    In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
    He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
    He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
    He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
    He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    betayuya wrote: »
    gradii wrote: »
    My orion IS honorable and not a TRIBBLE.. I have few issues with the KDF dialouge and would not appreciate being forced into another dialouge option..
    I take it we both have the only dressed Orions in the game, props hehe
    My Orion is pretty 'dressed' too. She owns a winter long coat and regularly wears a full Bortasqu' uniform. =)
  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    edited December 2015
    America actually highly values education, thank you very much. This is particularly the case in my home state and home region of Massachusetts and New England, respectively.

    Also the belief that sports and intellect are opposed is a false dichotomy; American football, for example, is a very tactics-based game in which intellect can only aid you. The same is true for virtually any other sport you care to name.
    LOLOLOLOLOLOL okay.... sure... keep holdin on to that delusion. Thanks for the laugh tho I needed that :D
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    tacofangs wrote: »
    STO isn't canon, and neither are any of the books.
  • gradiigradii Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    America actually highly values education, thank you very much. This is particularly the case in my home state and home region of Massachusetts and New England, respectively.

    Also the belief that sports and intellect are opposed is a false dichotomy; American football, for example, is a very tactics-based game in which intellect can only aid you. The same is true for virtually any other sport you care to name.
    LOLOLOLOLOLOL okay.... sure... keep holdin on to that delusion. Thanks for the laugh tho I needed that :D

    You laugh quite easily maybe I should tell you the sky is blue..

    "He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
    Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
    he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
    In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
    He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
    He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
    He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
    He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
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