I am told that some Romulan ships can fire weapons when cloaked. What models are those? Any limitations to doing this? It seems that you could really produce a devastating torp build.
Basically the way it works is that ships with enhanced battle cloak decloak briefly to fire the torp, then automatically recloak. They can be shot or otherwise damaged during this time.
Basically the way it works is that ships with enhanced battle cloak decloak briefly to fire the torp, then automatically recloak. They can be shot or otherwise damaged during this time.
This, which kind of ruins the use of the Romulan rep torpedo, as it can fire continuously leaving you un-cloaked.
Basically the way it works is that ships with enhanced battle cloak decloak briefly to fire the torp, then automatically recloak. They can be shot or otherwise damaged during this time.
This, which kind of ruins the use of the Romulan rep torpedo, as it can fire continuously leaving you un-cloaked.
Don't forget there's the "other" Romulan Torpedo... The T'Varo's "Big Red Ball of Death" which is a single shot item
I am told that some Romulan ships can fire weapons when cloaked. What models are those? Any limitations to doing this? It seems that you could really produce a devastating torp build.
As a word of warning from someone that used Enhanced Battle Cloak Torpedo boats extensively in the past for both PVP and PVE, be very careful.
As someone earlier pointed out, when you fire torps while Enhanced Battle Cloak is up, you temporarily show yourself... With no shields up. NPCs automatically detect and fire on you immediately the moment you show yourself, if even temporarily. Even though you fire that 1 high power torpedo attack with EBC on, then automatically go back into full cloaks, those shots fired at you while you gave yourself away are still coming at you.
If you are not the focus target, you got lots of playroom. If you're the only target in the area, you're going to eat a lot of fire.
Schimitar dreadnaught can use the "cloaked barrage" special consol that gives them the ability to remain cloaked while firing all their weapons for a short time but that is exclusive to that ship and its varients.
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Faeht Intel Warbird has the Enhanced Battle Cloak.
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Schimitar dreadnaught can use the "cloaked barrage" special consol that gives them the ability to remain cloaked while firing all their weapons for a short time but that is exclusive to that ship and its varients.
Yes, this ability is better as it doesn't fully bring you our of cloak, but you can still be seen by another player(s) as a distortion!
Basically the way it works is that ships with enhanced battle cloak decloak briefly to fire the torp, then automatically recloak. They can be shot or otherwise damaged during this time.
This, which kind of ruins the use of the Romulan rep torpedo, as it can fire continuously leaving you un-cloaked.
nope. the ability itself triggers fast enough that even with omega torp which fires at a faster cycle than rom hyper-plas u still pop in and out pretty fast. friends and I have tested this and it frustrates the TRIBBLE out of them.
There are no special torpedoes that can fire while cloaked.
It's dependent on the type of cloak installed, it must be an Enhanced Battle Cloak.
Just to clarify, the following ships can fire torpedoes (and a lot of other bridge officer abilities) while cloaked: Romulan Republic
Tier 5 T'Varo Retrofit
Tier 6 T'Varo Retrofit
Tier 6 Faeth (Intel Warbird)
Klingon Empire
Tier 5 B'Rel Retrofit
Tier 6 B'Rel Retrofit
Note that while you can fire while cloaked, your ship is still briefly decloaked - but it immediately cloaks again, without you needing to do anything or waiting for the normal cooldown.
There is also Quantum Singularity Manipulation from the New Romulus Reputation - that briefly cloaks your ship and you can still fire while doing so, but the effect is really short.
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My old trick back in the day with my B'rel, was to hit someone with jam sensors, then fire and forget.
Worked quite well, unless they had a close team mate...
Good pvp tactic, weak in regards to pve though unfortunately, as enemies shake off placates like it is dandruff on their shoulders!
Yeah, was for pvp only. Good times..
EBC doesn't really work for pve, as critters shake off debuff's like you said, and they fire immediately like they knew you were there the whole time..
Thanks great experience and advice everybody. So it sound like a good first shot weapon in pve which is what cloak is anyway. Neither enhanced or barrage works for pve if I understand correctly. How would you best use enhanced or barrage cloaks in pve if any tactics do work there? Since weapons fire takes you out of cloak, what build do you find works best for pve and how is it different from a regular tank cruiser build? Thanks
Well, the ships with enhanced battle cloak are basically the opposite of tank cruisers. They are squishy, and you don't want to stay in range of enemies for a long time - either you kill them, or you perform hit & run attacks.
One advantage of enhanced battle cloak is that you can use a lot more powers than you can under cloak or battle cloak. That includes many (hull) heals. You will need htem, since you don't have shields while using cloak.
You should work at your burst damage capability. That means abilities like Beam Overload or Torpedo Spread/High Yield Torpedo. (If you intend to stay cloaked for longer, torpedo buffs are obviously really important for that, while energy weapon buffs do little for your benefit). You should position yourself carefully before you open up with your attacks, and have all buffs running the moment you start attacking. If you have Flanking abilities (Intel Specialization or the Klingon Bird of Prey), you should of course also get behind your enemy, otherwise the angle to your enemy might depend on what kind of weapons you know he's using. Enemies with strong torpedo attacks are probably the most dangerous for you.
If you use a T6 T'Varo or B'Rel, you have access to a few Pilot abilities, Deploy Countermeasures might help you deal with one of your biggest threats - torpedoes.
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While it does drop you out of cloak when you fire, since you go right back in to it three seconds later, the enemy will lose their lock on you. Being able to use almost every Bridge Officer Ability while Cloak means that any damage you received can be healed.
If you are going to use the EBC ships then running an All-Projectile Build is a good idea. Plasma to to burn past shields, Transphasics to ignore them are good choices. Running a mixed bag of high damage Destructible types is quite viable, too, such Tricobalt, Romulan Hyper-Plasma, Temporal Disruption Device, etc.
Grab the Hot Pursuit Trait off of the Exchange. It doubles Mine Lock on and Chase Range so that you no longer need to be at point blank rnage to use them. It pretty much turns them in to half-distance Torp Turrets.
The T'Varo's Console Set buffs projectiles, and when combined with the Adapted MACO/ Klingon Honour Guard Set, and the Terran Rep Traits, an EBC makes for a very powerful ship.
Dropping mines doesn't decloak you at all. Most NPC's ignore them too when dropped while cloaked. It is the ultimate stealth weapon. You can also drop the Aceton Assimilator without decloaking. If you have to pick a side it is worth thinking of choosing KDF for this console.
On a side note. The B'rel is for me the better ship for enhanced battle cloak. While most science skills can be used with the EBC and the B'rel has universal boff stations.
Dropping mines doesn't decloak you at all. Most NPC's ignore them too when dropped while cloaked. It is the ultimate stealth weapon. You can also drop the Aceton Assimilator without decloaking. If you have to pick a side it is worth thinking of choosing KDF for this console.
On a side note. The B'rel is for me the better ship for enhanced battle cloak. While most science skills can be used with the EBC and the B'rel has universal boff stations.
Mines have been forgotten about in today's game. But yes, Mines do not even temporarily drop you out of EBC.
I used to troll hard with my B'Rel back in the day for a mine dropping build, especially for the old Cap & 'Splode PVP map.
Fly into the Fed spawn point while cloaked
Drop APO3+DPB3 of Transphasic Mines in spawn point
Fly back several km
Wait for Feds to spawn
When the Feds do spawn, the Transphasic Mines close in on them
I fire Scramble Sensors on the nearest batch of Fed Phaser Turrets
I fire Breen Cluster at the Fed ship
If I felt mean, I'd throw Aceton Assimilator into the mix, because too many players do not know what to do against these things. They still don't. Pre-Nerfed Nukara Web Mines were devastating also.
While it does drop you out of cloak when you fire, since you go right back in to it three seconds later, the enemy will lose their lock on you. Being able to use almost every Bridge Officer Ability while Cloak means that any damage you received can be healed.
If you are going to use the EBC ships then running an All-Projectile Build is a good idea. Plasma to to burn past shields, Transphasics to ignore them are good choices. Running a mixed bag of high damage Destructible types is quite viable, too, such Tricobalt, Romulan Hyper-Plasma, Temporal Disruption Device, etc.
Grab the Hot Pursuit Trait off of the Exchange. It doubles Mine Lock on and Chase Range so that you no longer need to be at point blank rnage to use them. It pretty much turns them in to half-distance Torp Turrets.
The T'Varo's Console Set buffs projectiles, and when combined with the Adapted MACO/ Klingon Honour Guard Set, and the Terran Rep Traits, an EBC makes for a very powerful ship.
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This, which kind of ruins the use of the Romulan rep torpedo, as it can fire continuously leaving you un-cloaked.
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Don't forget there's the "other" Romulan Torpedo... The T'Varo's "Big Red Ball of Death" which is a single shot item
As someone earlier pointed out, when you fire torps while Enhanced Battle Cloak is up, you temporarily show yourself... With no shields up. NPCs automatically detect and fire on you immediately the moment you show yourself, if even temporarily. Even though you fire that 1 high power torpedo attack with EBC on, then automatically go back into full cloaks, those shots fired at you while you gave yourself away are still coming at you.
If you are not the focus target, you got lots of playroom. If you're the only target in the area, you're going to eat a lot of fire.
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Yes, this ability is better as it doesn't fully bring you our of cloak, but you can still be seen by another player(s) as a distortion!
It just sucks, that it is so limited in use IMO.
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
Worked quite well, unless they had a close team mate...
Good pvp tactic, weak in regards to pve though unfortunately, as enemies shake off placates like it is dandruff on their shoulders!
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nope. the ability itself triggers fast enough that even with omega torp which fires at a faster cycle than rom hyper-plas u still pop in and out pretty fast. friends and I have tested this and it frustrates the TRIBBLE out of them.
It's dependent on the type of cloak installed, it must be an Enhanced Battle Cloak.
Just to clarify, the following ships can fire torpedoes (and a lot of other bridge officer abilities) while cloaked:
Romulan Republic
Klingon Empire
Note that while you can fire while cloaked, your ship is still briefly decloaked - but it immediately cloaks again, without you needing to do anything or waiting for the normal cooldown.
There is also Quantum Singularity Manipulation from the New Romulus Reputation - that briefly cloaks your ship and you can still fire while doing so, but the effect is really short.
Yeah, was for pvp only. Good times..
EBC doesn't really work for pve, as critters shake off debuff's like you said, and they fire immediately like they knew you were there the whole time..
One advantage of enhanced battle cloak is that you can use a lot more powers than you can under cloak or battle cloak. That includes many (hull) heals. You will need htem, since you don't have shields while using cloak.
You should work at your burst damage capability. That means abilities like Beam Overload or Torpedo Spread/High Yield Torpedo. (If you intend to stay cloaked for longer, torpedo buffs are obviously really important for that, while energy weapon buffs do little for your benefit). You should position yourself carefully before you open up with your attacks, and have all buffs running the moment you start attacking. If you have Flanking abilities (Intel Specialization or the Klingon Bird of Prey), you should of course also get behind your enemy, otherwise the angle to your enemy might depend on what kind of weapons you know he's using. Enemies with strong torpedo attacks are probably the most dangerous for you.
If you use a T6 T'Varo or B'Rel, you have access to a few Pilot abilities, Deploy Countermeasures might help you deal with one of your biggest threats - torpedoes.
If you are going to use the EBC ships then running an All-Projectile Build is a good idea. Plasma to to burn past shields, Transphasics to ignore them are good choices. Running a mixed bag of high damage Destructible types is quite viable, too, such Tricobalt, Romulan Hyper-Plasma, Temporal Disruption Device, etc.
Grab the Hot Pursuit Trait off of the Exchange. It doubles Mine Lock on and Chase Range so that you no longer need to be at point blank rnage to use them. It pretty much turns them in to half-distance Torp Turrets.
The T'Varo's Console Set buffs projectiles, and when combined with the Adapted MACO/ Klingon Honour Guard Set, and the Terran Rep Traits, an EBC makes for a very powerful ship.
And the T6 Malem.
On a side note. The B'rel is for me the better ship for enhanced battle cloak. While most science skills can be used with the EBC and the B'rel has universal boff stations.
Mines have been forgotten about in today's game. But yes, Mines do not even temporarily drop you out of EBC.
I used to troll hard with my B'Rel back in the day for a mine dropping build, especially for the old Cap & 'Splode PVP map.
Fly into the Fed spawn point while cloaked
Drop APO3+DPB3 of Transphasic Mines in spawn point
Fly back several km
Wait for Feds to spawn
When the Feds do spawn, the Transphasic Mines close in on them
I fire Scramble Sensors on the nearest batch of Fed Phaser Turrets
I fire Breen Cluster at the Fed ship
If I felt mean, I'd throw Aceton Assimilator into the mix, because too many players do not know what to do against these things. They still don't. Pre-Nerfed Nukara Web Mines were devastating also.
Ahhh, the memories
T6 Malem = T6 T'Varo.
In practicality, very much so. But since there is a T6 Fleet T'Varo also, I thought that I would differentiate.