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has a new romulan player i wanted to check out all the ships i could get there is one photo i keep seeing pop up. i do not know how to put photos up but its called . Romulan Scimitar Redesig.after doing some research on the guy that made it he is a fan of the game and i have to say i am shocked no dev has jumped at the chance to buy the design off this guy.i wouldn't be surprised if he has not tried submitting the design to the devs

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  • berginsbergins Member Posts: 3,454 Arc User
    edited December 2015
    Using designs that aren't part of their licence or weren't developed in house, it turns out, is a huge legal headache. I'm not surprised at all.

    ETA: I had a pretty strong feeling this would be my answer when I first read the title. If it isn't already, should "Why doesn't Cryptic use (X) design for a ship?" be put in the FCT?
    "Logic is a little tweeting bird chirping in a meadow. Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell BAD." - Spock
  • taylor1701dtaylor1701d Member Posts: 3,099 Arc User
    Well, probably because the Schim is still the best dps ship in the game, and I would imagine a T6 version is really low on the Dev priority list atm.

    I don't like the schim myself, but can understand those that do, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting on a T6 Schim.
    Probably won't happen for a very long time.


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  • whistlerdavidwhistlerdavid Member Posts: 420 Arc User
    Well, probably because the Schim is still the best dps ship in the game, and I would imagine a T6 version is really low on the Dev priority list atm.

    I don't like the schim myself, but can understand those that do, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting on a T6 Schim.
    Probably won't happen for a very long time.


    sorry you didnt like them the two designs for it to me at lest could be the best looking ships in game
  • cidjackcidjack Member Posts: 2,017 Arc User
    What bergins said.
    Armada: Multiplying fleet projects in need of dilithium by 13."
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  • berginsbergins Member Posts: 3,454 Arc User
    Also, I just looked at the design. Ugh, no. A Romulan ship is supposed to look like a bird: a hawk, an eagle, a falcon, basically, a... bird of prey. That ship looks more like an arachnid. A nice big of artwork, but in my opinion, be missed the mark for a Romulan ship.
    "Logic is a little tweeting bird chirping in a meadow. Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell BAD." - Spock
  • comrademococomrademoco Member Posts: 1,694 Bug Hunter
    edited December 2015
  • berginsbergins Member Posts: 3,454 Arc User
    edited December 2015
    Ah, no. That isn't the one I saw. Maybe he came to the same conclusion as I after he made this:

    https://cdn1.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/001/045/521/large/adam-burn-scimitar-retrofit.jpg?1438872846

    Your link has a much better design.
    "Logic is a little tweeting bird chirping in a meadow. Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell BAD." - Spock
  • comrademococomrademoco Member Posts: 1,694 Bug Hunter
    The Shamsir is the updated version of the Kenji.

    Both my Mr. Burn.
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  • asuran14asuran14 Member Posts: 2,335 Arc User

    Yeah i believe that is the one he is talking about. Though to me it looks like a Adapted tal-shiar design, which i would not mind seeing though compared to being a Tier six design of the established schim. It also always looked much wider an shorter compared to the other model designs of it, which would look interesting something more like a stealth look for it.
    bergins wrote: »
    Also, I just looked at the design. Ugh, no. A Romulan ship is supposed to look like a bird: a hawk, an eagle, a falcon, basically, a... bird of prey. That ship looks more like an arachnid. A nice big of artwork, but in my opinion, be missed the mark for a Romulan ship.

    There is good reason why it does not fallow the bird like artwork of a normal Romulan ships, since it was developed an built by the Remens not the Romulans. It does look like they prefer much more insectoid or arachnid styles compared to Romulans, but also with being enslaved an made to live in pretty harsh conditions it shows in the design of it as a very harsh an imposing ship. I would not mind seeing more Remen ship designs added to the Romulan faction since they are one of the two races of the faction, which i think many forget about there being two races in the empire/republic, while maybe even get a few Remen takes on established Romulan designs.
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  • asuran14asuran14 Member Posts: 2,335 Arc User
    edited December 2015
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    asuran14 wrote: »
    There is good reason why it does not fallow the bird like artwork of a normal Romulan ships, since it was developed an built by the Remens not the Romulans.

    Let me get this out of the way first ...

    WAAAGH!

    Alright, now here is the thing ... you cannot have a slave race that in their off duty time (hint: slaves dont get off duty time) go around and build a supership better that anything because ...

    WAAAGH!

    Now with that also out of the way, the ship designer for the Scimitar and the Valdore was the same person, John Eaves that also worked in DS9 and all of the TNG movies so he had a pretty good idea of what he was doing and even if not, he presented several concepts and one was picked to be developed.

    The question of if the Scimitar being a Romulan design or not is ultimate irreverent as it was a design picked from a selection, the question of it being developed and build by SLAVES is ...

    WAAAGH!

    Simply put, I dont think anyone would think the Remans designed and build the Scimitar since the entire notion is ridiculous and just because the movie never explains it (because its kinda of a plot hole) doesnt mean we have to take one line and take it at face value, just because they said Reman Warbird doesnt mean they designed and build the thing, the novels dont seen to want to touch it but really, if you cannot tell by "WAAAGH!" then I will say again, the entire notion is ridiculous idiotic that it was designed and build by the Remans.

    On those fan designs, they suffer from what I will call "overstyle" as its too busy adding details and, honestly, TRIBBLE on top the ship have bits dangling that serve no purpose, I dislike the glowing bits of Cryptic designs because they serve no purpose outside wasting the ship power to "look cool" and those one are filled with pointless sharp edges and glowing TRIBBLE, I see no windows or weapon ports ... just edgy ships for edgy people and I am not 17 anymore.

    Hmm weird since even in quite often used canon it is stated the Remen are/were slaves of the empire, such as in http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Reman. Also it is stated here that it was built by Shinzon alongside the Remen and with the help of some Romulan military aid, http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Scimitar. Just because you do not want to take it as being true, does not change that pretty much it is canon to be build by the Remen, which were/are the slave labor of the Romulan empire an was to be used to overthrow them. It is true they did not touch on how they developed it, but slaves have done alot of things right under the noses of their enslavers. Though it does not say if the military that helped Shinzon helped with the construction of the scimitar or not, merely they aided him wishing to see the peace with the Federation to end.

    Now whether you like or not the style is kinda besides the point, and no not all the people that like edgy or sharp designs are going to be younger people, just as not all people that like more minimal designs are older so drop that stereotype. I can see a use for the pointed/sharp edges an glowing edges to be more imposing showing how powerful the ship is by having the excess energy to do such things for some seeing it might put them on edge. It is weird to not have windows on the ship though i will say that a primarily night-dwelling an underground race could see no use in windows or lightning gained from it, while the no visible weapon ports is strange most of all as it would be more imposing to show them.
  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,602 Arc User
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    asuran14 wrote: »
    There is good reason why it does not fallow the bird like artwork of a normal Romulan ships, since it was developed an built by the Remens not the Romulans.

    Let me get this out of the way first ...

    WAAAGH!

    Alright, now here is the thing ... you cannot have a slave race that in their off duty time (hint: slaves dont get off duty time) go around and build a supership better that anything because ...

    WAAAGH!

    Now with that also out of the way, the ship designer for the Scimitar and the Valdore was the same person, John Eaves that also worked in DS9 and all of the TNG movies so he had a pretty good idea of what he was doing and even if not, he presented several concepts and one was picked to be developed.

    The question of if the Scimitar being a Romulan design or not is ultimate irreverent as it was a design picked from a selection, the question of it being developed and build by SLAVES is ...

    WAAAGH!

    Simply put, I dont think anyone would think the Remans designed and build the Scimitar since the entire notion is ridiculous and just because the movie never explains it (because its kinda of a plot hole) doesnt mean we have to take one line and take it at face value, just because they said Reman Warbird doesnt mean they designed and build the thing, the novels dont seen to want to touch it but really, if you cannot tell by "WAAAGH!" then I will say again, the entire notion is ridiculous idiotic that it was designed and build by the Remans.

    On those fan designs, they suffer from what I will call "overstyle" as its too busy adding details and, honestly, TRIBBLE on top the ship have bits dangling that serve no purpose, I dislike the glowing bits of Cryptic designs because they serve no purpose outside wasting the ship power to "look cool" and those one are filled with pointless sharp edges and glowing TRIBBLE, I see no windows or weapon ports ... just edgy ships for edgy people and I am not 17 anymore.

    The Remans weren't just slaves, they were soldiers too and actually fought in the Dominion Wars. Now what better way to design and build a ship that basically took control of the entire Romulan Republic. It was designed from with-in the Empire, with inside knowledge of the entire Romulan Fleet. A ship capable of defeating all technologically advanced scanning systems, with over-whelming weapons capability is a sure sign of the deeds of a servitor race rising up to crush their former masters.....and it was built in secret! Any light researching could have told you this!
    "You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
  • kontarnuskontarnus Member Posts: 289 Arc User
    leemwatson wrote: »
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    asuran14 wrote: »
    There is good reason why it does not fallow the bird like artwork of a normal Romulan ships, since it was developed an built by the Remens not the Romulans.

    Let me get this out of the way first ...

    WAAAGH!

    Alright, now here is the thing ... you cannot have a slave race that in their off duty time (hint: slaves dont get off duty time) go around and build a supership better that anything because ...

    WAAAGH!

    Now with that also out of the way, the ship designer for the Scimitar and the Valdore was the same person, John Eaves that also worked in DS9 and all of the TNG movies so he had a pretty good idea of what he was doing and even if not, he presented several concepts and one was picked to be developed.

    The question of if the Scimitar being a Romulan design or not is ultimate irreverent as it was a design picked from a selection, the question of it being developed and build by SLAVES is ...

    WAAAGH!

    Simply put, I dont think anyone would think the Remans designed and build the Scimitar since the entire notion is ridiculous and just because the movie never explains it (because its kinda of a plot hole) doesnt mean we have to take one line and take it at face value, just because they said Reman Warbird doesnt mean they designed and build the thing, the novels dont seen to want to touch it but really, if you cannot tell by "WAAAGH!" then I will say again, the entire notion is ridiculous idiotic that it was designed and build by the Remans.

    On those fan designs, they suffer from what I will call "overstyle" as its too busy adding details and, honestly, TRIBBLE on top the ship have bits dangling that serve no purpose, I dislike the glowing bits of Cryptic designs because they serve no purpose outside wasting the ship power to "look cool" and those one are filled with pointless sharp edges and glowing TRIBBLE, I see no windows or weapon ports ... just edgy ships for edgy people and I am not 17 anymore.

    The Remans weren't just slaves, they were soldiers too and actually fought in the Dominion Wars. Now what better way to design and build a ship that basically took control of the entire Romulan Republic. It was designed from with-in the Empire, with inside knowledge of the entire Romulan Fleet. A ship capable of defeating all technologically advanced scanning systems, with over-whelming weapons capability is a sure sign of the deeds of a servitor race rising up to crush their former masters.....and it was built in secret! Any light researching could have told you this!

    Actually, all you have to do is watch Nemesis, listen to the dialogue, and then make reasonable extrapolations.
    "Intelligence is finite, stupidity is infinite" -- Umberto Eco
  • mewmaster101mewmaster101 Member Posts: 1,239 Arc User
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    asuran14 wrote: »
    There is good reason why it does not fallow the bird like artwork of a normal Romulan ships, since it was developed an built by the Remens not the Romulans.

    Let me get this out of the way first ...

    WAAAGH!

    Alright, now here is the thing ... you cannot have a slave race that in their off duty time (hint: slaves dont get off duty time) go around and build a supership better that anything because ...

    WAAAGH!

    Now with that also out of the way, the ship designer for the Scimitar and the Valdore was the same person, John Eaves that also worked in DS9 and all of the TNG movies so he had a pretty good idea of what he was doing and even if not, he presented several concepts and one was picked to be developed.

    The question of if the Scimitar being a Romulan design or not is ultimate irreverent as it was a design picked from a selection, the question of it being developed and build by SLAVES is ...

    WAAAGH!

    Simply put, I dont think anyone would think the Remans designed and build the Scimitar since the entire notion is ridiculous and just because the movie never explains it (because its kinda of a plot hole) doesnt mean we have to take one line and take it at face value, just because they said Reman Warbird doesnt mean they designed and build the thing, the novels dont seen to want to touch it but really, if you cannot tell by "WAAAGH!" then I will say again, the entire notion is ridiculous idiotic that it was designed and build by the Remans.

    On those fan designs, they suffer from what I will call "overstyle" as its too busy adding details and, honestly, TRIBBLE on top the ship have bits dangling that serve no purpose, I dislike the glowing bits of Cryptic designs because they serve no purpose outside wasting the ship power to "look cool" and those one are filled with pointless sharp edges and glowing TRIBBLE, I see no windows or weapon ports ... just edgy ships for edgy people and I am not 17 anymore.

    yeah.......maybe know what you are talking about. Remans WERE slaves in the empire, AND it is explicitly stated that the Remans made the ship in secret, there is no "maybe" about it as it is said on screen.
  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,602 Arc User
    kontarnus wrote: »
    leemwatson wrote: »
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    asuran14 wrote: »
    There is good reason why it does not fallow the bird like artwork of a normal Romulan ships, since it was developed an built by the Remens not the Romulans.

    Let me get this out of the way first ...

    WAAAGH!

    Alright, now here is the thing ... you cannot have a slave race that in their off duty time (hint: slaves dont get off duty time) go around and build a supership better that anything because ...

    WAAAGH!

    Now with that also out of the way, the ship designer for the Scimitar and the Valdore was the same person, John Eaves that also worked in DS9 and all of the TNG movies so he had a pretty good idea of what he was doing and even if not, he presented several concepts and one was picked to be developed.

    The question of if the Scimitar being a Romulan design or not is ultimate irreverent as it was a design picked from a selection, the question of it being developed and build by SLAVES is ...

    WAAAGH!

    Simply put, I dont think anyone would think the Remans designed and build the Scimitar since the entire notion is ridiculous and just because the movie never explains it (because its kinda of a plot hole) doesnt mean we have to take one line and take it at face value, just because they said Reman Warbird doesnt mean they designed and build the thing, the novels dont seen to want to touch it but really, if you cannot tell by "WAAAGH!" then I will say again, the entire notion is ridiculous idiotic that it was designed and build by the Remans.

    On those fan designs, they suffer from what I will call "overstyle" as its too busy adding details and, honestly, TRIBBLE on top the ship have bits dangling that serve no purpose, I dislike the glowing bits of Cryptic designs because they serve no purpose outside wasting the ship power to "look cool" and those one are filled with pointless sharp edges and glowing TRIBBLE, I see no windows or weapon ports ... just edgy ships for edgy people and I am not 17 anymore.

    The Remans weren't just slaves, they were soldiers too and actually fought in the Dominion Wars. Now what better way to design and build a ship that basically took control of the entire Romulan Republic. It was designed from with-in the Empire, with inside knowledge of the entire Romulan Fleet. A ship capable of defeating all technologically advanced scanning systems, with over-whelming weapons capability is a sure sign of the deeds of a servitor race rising up to crush their former masters.....and it was built in secret! Any light researching could have told you this!

    Actually, all you have to do is watch Nemesis, listen to the dialogue, and then make reasonable extrapolations.

    Shhhh...don't make them think for themselves...it might break them! lol.
    "You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
  • jslynjslyn Member Posts: 1,791 Arc User



    If they were to make a Tal Shiar Adapted Scimitar that design would work nicely.
  • hyefatherhyefather Member Posts: 1,286 Arc User
    The Answer to this is very simple. Cryptic/PWI knows that a T6 scimitar would sell like crazy. So they probably already got a finished T6 Scimitar bundle ready to ship. There just waiting for the right time to drop this monster for MAXIMUM profits. Like when does everybody have money to spend (Christmas) or when the game is having financial problems. A bundle like this could turn a bad month of profits into something real good and maybe save somebody from losing there job or getting fired. Theres alot more that goes on at a company than what we players just see and here. I'm sure by now the Devs know exactly when to bring out a best seller. There just waiting for the right time thats all.
  • tvmadoctvmadoc Member Posts: 65 Arc User


    Actually, all you have to do is watch Nemesis, listen to the dialogue, and then make reasonable extrapolations.

    Actually, the fallacy of this statement is clear. Nemesis is pretty much unwatchable.

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