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The Dominion is at war with a new power in the Gamma Quadrant.

For thousands of years no body in the Gamma Quadrant would dare oppose them or the will of their gods. Worlds have fallen to the might of their relentless Jem H'Dar and their war fleets, now a new age of reckoning has come. A glimmer of hope from the unexplored regions of the Gamma Quadrant is on the rise and their sights is set on bringing the The Founders and their Empire to justice for the thousands of years of anguish they felt was their solution of order to chaos. A new Empire is on the rise.....
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    Sure?

    You would not by chance be drunk, would you?
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  • kontarnuskontarnus Member Posts: 289 Arc User
    Is that your guess for future content?
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  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,708 Arc User
    Maybe the Borg will be a little more interesting after assimilating the Dominion.​​
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  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    The Dominion don't actually control The Gamma Quadrant; they just make that claim. The Federation territory is minimal on the galactic scale, it's quite central to the Galaxy. Dominion space is what, twice the size of the Federation? Even that leaves a lot of space for other potential threats/factions. So yeah, maybe there would be some credibility to this if your post wasn't open-ended.
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  • medalionemissarymedalionemissary Member Posts: 612 Arc User
    I actually thought they were going to be doing a big Gamma Quadrant expansion in place of this New Dawn season thing...so far the we just got a revamp of Mirror Invasion stuff with some other DS9 connective story lines but still not the Gamma Quadrant itself which sucks. Maybe in another 2+ years
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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,983 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    I actually thought they were going to be doing a big Gamma Quadrant expansion in place of this New Dawn season thing...so far the we just got a revamp of Mirror Invasion stuff with some other DS9 connective story lines but still not the Gamma Quadrant itself which sucks. Maybe in another 2+ years

    Way too early for another expansion. Look at the gaps between LoR and Delta Rising. Expect similar for number 3 (ie. in all probability at least one more full season after 11.) That said, you're probably only looking at this time next year if they jump to it.
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  • asuran14asuran14 Member Posts: 2,335 Arc User
    I could see it as we know alot of older races that took control before the main factions that exist now supposedly came from outside the alpha/beta quad, and many believe they actually could have come from the Gama quad with who knows the changelings being a creation of them. Races like the hurq, also there was the sentient race of robotic beings that found v'ger, the many races that took part in the Great Psionic War from half a million years ago. All of these races could be interesting as they are not that used or often see in the series, but would lead to a lot of exploring the past of the galaxy. I mean what if we began to explore areas they races retreated to an delved into their histories, only to find they still exist an take this as a declaration of war, or worse are hiding to keep a peace with the other races an us finding them leads to a break of the long truce between them all.
  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,983 Arc User
    asuran14 wrote: »
    I could see it as we know alot of older races that took control before the main factions that exist now supposedly came from outside the alpha/beta quad, and many believe they actually could have come from the Gama quad with who knows the changelings being a creation of them. Races like the hurq, also there was the sentient race of robotic beings that found v'ger, the many races that took part in the Great Psionic War from half a million years ago. All of these races could be interesting as they are not that used or often see in the series, but would lead to a lot of exploring the past of the galaxy. I mean what if we began to explore areas they races retreated to an delved into their histories, only to find they still exist an take this as a declaration of war, or worse are hiding to keep a peace with the other races an us finding them leads to a break of the long truce between them all.

    There's a phrase I'd like to invoke here.

    "All the money!" :D
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  • khan1000khan1000 Member Posts: 264 Arc User
    What power, The Dominion controls most if not all of the Gamma Quadrant with a fleet of at least 30,000 ships the Borg would have a very hard time conquering the Dominion.
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  • thomaselkinsthomaselkins Member Posts: 575 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    khan1000 wrote: »
    What power, The Dominion controls most if not all of the Gamma Quadrant with a fleet of at least 30,000 ships the Borg would have a very hard time conquering the Dominion.

    The Dominion was big but it wasn't that big. I like the way Ron Moore described them.

    "The Dominion does not own the entire Gamma Quadrant. We had explored the GQ for two years before encountering the Dominion, so it's not as though the wormhole opens up in their living room. There are other races in the GQ that are not part of the Dominion and the Ferengi at least have established trade with some of them. When the Dominion told us to stay out of the GQ, it was as if China told the US to stay out of the Yellow Sea. China is the big boy in this neck of the woods, and you better take their warning seriously, but at the same time we have trading partners and allies there and hey, freedom of the seas and all that."

    As for who they could fight? I say the Hur'q should make a resurgence and since there were hints at their involvement in the Klingon campaign, it should be the Klingons who lead any fight we get involved in. Their campaign could use a remaster anyway, so they could tie that into the new stuff.
  • jade1280jade1280 Member Posts: 868 Arc User
    Even if i was drunk i would still support the dominion they have one of the most effective war machines and as long as you are on their side there are no real issues to had.
  • kontarnuskontarnus Member Posts: 289 Arc User
    The Dominion are like Junior level Iconians, they operate in a similar way; they have subservient species which they 'uplifted' (Vorta, Jem Hadar), and they operate in a very logical tactical-strategic manner, with long term goals only the Founders can see.
    I think maybe they'll stay in the background of an eventual Gamma quadrant Season, and come into play, fully, later in a further season after the introduction of the Gamma Quadrant.
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  • shrimphead2015shrimphead2015 Member Posts: 537 Arc User
    If the Borg did decide to go to war with the Dominion, one of the questions I would have is can a Borg assimilate a Founder? Another question also, could a Founder shape shift into a Borg and fool them?​​
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  • tousseautousseau Member Posts: 1,484 Arc User
    questerius wrote: »
    Maybe the Borg will be a little more interesting after assimilating the Dominion.​​

    And then we'll get the:
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    to deal with... >:)
  • lordgyorlordgyor Member Posts: 2,820 Arc User
    According to the novels no the borg can't assimulate a founder, but the attempt is unpleasant for the founder.
  • asuran14asuran14 Member Posts: 2,335 Arc User
    Would also be interesting to see Armus make an appearance again, maybe not the exact same creature but something like there were more of his kind created. So maybe the players are sent to a world/s seeking out ruins an exploring uncharted places, and then find ruins of the Titan race that Armus had been cast off from seen as corruption/evil. We could find that these Titans were originally from the Gamma quad or even left into the Gamma quad.

    Another idea might be that a group of explorers either from one of the main factions, or even less known races broke the quarantine on Vagra 2 placed by Picard. At first they might have been allowed to stay an slowly some tortured an played with by Armus, before then sending a distress call for help as they relies that something is wrong bringing us to the world. Maybe Armus might get his oily arms on a starship an look for the Titans that discarded him, or we look for a way of sealing him away to protect an save the explorers, even looking for the Titans to determine what could be done with him.
  • asuran14asuran14 Member Posts: 2,335 Arc User
    lordgyor wrote: »
    According to the novels no the borg can't assimulate a founder, but the attempt is unpleasant for the founder.

    True though we have heard it was supposed to be nearly impossible for the Borg to assimilate a Undine too, but it seems they did find a way, so who knows in the many years they might have made some headway with assimilating technology. As i would think the Undine being from a different dimension/reality would be more difficult to assimilate, and so might have improved the process enough that it is more possible for them to actually assimilate a founder now. Also think of that a borg-founder that can shape-change, even hide the implants from sight, and so would be able to infiltrate societies to assimilate them from within.
  • kontarnuskontarnus Member Posts: 289 Arc User
    Don't forget about T'Ket. Unless they decide to forget about him/her/it, he/she/it will make a reappearance at some point.
    Probably an STF though...
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    I think it'd be interesting if Armus was I some way related to the Founders.
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  • mackbolan01mackbolan01 Member Posts: 580 Arc User
    season 12: a return to Talos IV

    by the way, I FARTED !​​
  • kayajaykayajay Member Posts: 1,990 Arc User
    I really thought the Andromeda Galaxy was going to come swooping in, since that's where the Iconians had hidden out for 200,000 years.
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    I'm pretty sure it would be possible to assimilate a Founder. They can be infected with viruses, and the Borg can infect other species with nanoviruses, and the Borg (at least within STO) have managed to assimilate the Undine. I don't think a Founder would be out of the question for them.

    Of course, the Borg would first have to get to them, and I'm pretty sure they'd lose a lot of ships in such an attempt. A couple of Bug ships flying into a Cube, it wouldn't take much (from the Dominoon) to reduce a Borg fleet. Yes, the Borg have more ships and they'd no doubt keep coming, but even the Borg would need resources for a sustained assault; they'd certainly have their work cut out for them.

    We also don't know what affect an assimilated Vorta or Jem Hadar would have in the Borg. Would an assimilated Vorta activate their self-kill switch? Would an assimilated Jem Hadar go mad? What would be the effect of an assimilated Jem Hadar without the White?
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  • kayajaykayajay Member Posts: 1,990 Arc User
    flash525 wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure it would be possible to assimilate a Founder. They can be infected with viruses, and the Borg can infect other species with nanoviruses, and the Borg (at least within STO) have managed to assimilate the Undine. I don't think a Founder would be out of the question for them.

    Of course, the Borg would first have to get to them, and I'm pretty sure they'd lose a lot of ships in such an attempt. A couple of Bug ships flying into a Cube, it wouldn't take much (from the Dominoon) to reduce a Borg fleet. Yes, the Borg have more ships and they'd no doubt keep coming, but even the Borg would need resources for a sustained assault; they'd certainly have their work cut out for them.

    We also don't know what affect an assimilated Vorta or Jem Hadar would have in the Borg. Would an assimilated Vorta activate their self-kill switch? Would an assimilated Jem Hadar go mad? What would be the effect of an assimilated Jem Hadar without the White?

    I imagine the Nanoprobes could be reprogrammed like they were to assimilate Species 8472 and when you think that Borg Implants can mean that drones don't need Oxygen (First Contact) that they can counteract the need for White.
  • rahmkota19rahmkota19 Member Posts: 1,929 Arc User
    flash525 wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure it would be possible to assimilate a Founder. They can be infected with viruses, and the Borg can infect other species with nanoviruses, and the Borg (at least within STO) have managed to assimilate the Undine. I don't think a Founder would be out of the question for them.

    Of course, the Borg would first have to get to them, and I'm pretty sure they'd lose a lot of ships in such an attempt. A couple of Bug ships flying into a Cube, it wouldn't take much (from the Dominoon) to reduce a Borg fleet. Yes, the Borg have more ships and they'd no doubt keep coming, but even the Borg would need resources for a sustained assault; they'd certainly have their work cut out for them.

    We also don't know what affect an assimilated Vorta or Jem Hadar would have in the Borg. Would an assimilated Vorta activate their self-kill switch? Would an assimilated Jem Hadar go mad? What would be the effect of an assimilated Jem Hadar without the White?

    I'm not sure.

    Borg Assimilation is designed around the circulary system of a victim: aka the blood veins. Through these the nanoprobes flow to form the rudimentary components, most notably the neural processor in the brain that connects the victim to the hive mind. Then they typically amputate a limb to replace it with a tech enhancement.
    None of this would work on a Founder. They have no circulary system whatsoever, and they need to revert to their liquid state every day. Inside they are mostly liquid as well. Basically, none of the Borg technology we know of is capable of successfully assimilating a founder.
    With the Undine, it was a problem of finding a way to defeat the incredibly advanced immune system they posess. But in the end, the Undine still are flesh and blood, with brains and a circulary system. So assimilaiton was possible with their usual strategies.


    I'd personally place my money on the Dominion in case of a Borg invasion. Both rule a very large chunk of space: the Borg have bits and pieces of the Delta Quadrant everywhere, and the Dominion has a huge amount of Gamma Quadrant (not all of it, but more than the Federation, Klingon, Star Empire and Cardassians combined at the outbreak of the Dominion War). Next to that, assimilating a Vorta would be difficult, since most will kill themselves before falling in enemy hands. Assimilating a Jem'Hadar will require the Borg needing to establish supply depots and supply lines of Ketracel-White, none of which they have any experience in. And furthermore, once the Borg drones adapt to Jem'Hadar weaponry, the Jem'Hadar always got their big sharp pike thingies to cut up some Borg for breakfast.
    Meanwhile, the Dominion is extremely designed around long-term warfare, a war of attrition. They have unmatched cloning facilities and shipyards in the Milky Way, to the envy of even the Iconians. Their space is vast. They most likely have fortifications everywhere to keep their member worlds in check. Their losses in the Dominion War were limited ultimately to just a few ship convoys, a few Vorta and a part of the 2800 (much of which later returned still in fighting condition). The Borg got their butts handed to them on a silver plate after Voyager was done touring the Delta Quadrant, not to mention the continued fights they had in STO.

    As to the question would Changeling infiltration work on the Borg... no. Changelings could mimic the Borg look, but the Collective would notice the lack of connection of the Changeling to the hive mind. And promptly eliminate said changeling.
  • captz1ppcaptz1pp Member Posts: 931 Arc User
    And what of all that space along the wormhole's path, all ignored during DS9's duration just cause it was outside of it? Maybe the station discovers a very old space probe from somewhere inbetween Alpha and Gamma while The Player is there, and they get assigned to find where it comes from and how much advancement the probes makers have undergone since launching it, or if they still exist?
  • ryugasiriusryugasirius Member Posts: 283 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    khan1000 wrote: »
    What power, The Dominion controls most if not all of the Gamma Quadrant with a fleet of at least 30,000 ships the Borg would have a very hard time conquering the Dominion.

    The Dominion was big but it wasn't that big. I like the way Ron Moore described them.

    "The Dominion does not own the entire Gamma Quadrant. We had explored the GQ for two years before encountering the Dominion, so it's not as though the wormhole opens up in their living room. There are other races in the GQ that are not part of the Dominion and the Ferengi at least have established trade with some of them. When the Dominion told us to stay out of the GQ, it was as if China told the US to stay out of the Yellow Sea. China is the big boy in this neck of the woods, and you better take their warning seriously, but at the same time we have trading partners and allies there and hey, freedom of the seas and all that."

    As for who they could fight? I say the Hur'q should make a resurgence and since there were hints at their involvement in the Klingon campaign, it should be the Klingons who lead any fight we get involved in. Their campaign could use a remaster anyway, so they could tie that into the new stuff.

    That makes sense. Also, the war with the Federation had seriously weakened them, and their previous aura of godly invincibility was shattered when a Founder had to sign an instrument of surrender and get imprisoned by the Federation.

    They are still the big boys of their quadrant, sure, but they are certainly in a worse position than before (they committed very few ships to fight the Iconians, it was just a token force, maybe they fear a large scale rebellion if they send too much of their fleet far from home?).
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  • kayajaykayajay Member Posts: 1,990 Arc User
    Of course, according to the novels and actually common sense, Odo is pretty much dictating the Dominion's actions now.
  • rahmkota19rahmkota19 Member Posts: 1,929 Arc User
    khan1000 wrote: »
    What power, The Dominion controls most if not all of the Gamma Quadrant with a fleet of at least 30,000 ships the Borg would have a very hard time conquering the Dominion.

    The Dominion was big but it wasn't that big. I like the way Ron Moore described them.

    "The Dominion does not own the entire Gamma Quadrant. We had explored the GQ for two years before encountering the Dominion, so it's not as though the wormhole opens up in their living room. There are other races in the GQ that are not part of the Dominion and the Ferengi at least have established trade with some of them. When the Dominion told us to stay out of the GQ, it was as if China told the US to stay out of the Yellow Sea. China is the big boy in this neck of the woods, and you better take their warning seriously, but at the same time we have trading partners and allies there and hey, freedom of the seas and all that."

    As for who they could fight? I say the Hur'q should make a resurgence and since there were hints at their involvement in the Klingon campaign, it should be the Klingons who lead any fight we get involved in. Their campaign could use a remaster anyway, so they could tie that into the new stuff.

    That makes sense. Also, the war with the Federation had seriously weakened them, and their previous aura of godly invincibility was shattered when a Founder had to sign an instrument of surrender and get imprisoned by the Federation.

    They are still the big boys of their quadrant, sure, but they are certainly in a worse position than before (they committed very few ships to fight the Iconians, it was just a token force, maybe they fear a large scale rebellion if they send too much of their fleet far from home?).

    Part of my previous post:

    "Their losses in the Dominion War were limited ultimately to just a few ship convoys, a few Vorta and a part of the 2800 (much of which later returned still in fighting condition). "

    I do agree they might have suffered a big image problem, but who knows how much of that ultimately reached the Gamma Quadrant? Most species there mind their own business trying not to offend the Dominion.

    Ultimately, the Dominion probably didn't loose anything during the war that could not be replaced within a month.
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    With regard to the Dominion surrender, I don't think it had anything to do with their (lack of) ships. They retreated from DS9 when their 2800 was ... detained, so their forces in the Alpha (and Beta) quadrants were reduced.

    The female Founder only went ahead with the surrender after she linked with Odo. The war wrap up is a bit cloudy to be honest, but aside from getting the cure (for herself, and her people) the founders had nothing to gain by surrendering. I suspect a good portion of the war was by the way of some selfish notion to have Odo rejoin the link, which he ultimately did.
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  • rahmkota19rahmkota19 Member Posts: 1,929 Arc User
    Probably indeed one of the motives, but I guess the Founders were not very happy having the Cardassians and Romulans sit by minding their own business ever since that firework party they threw in the Omarion nebula.

    Other than that there was something to gain from surrendering other than the cure. They got to safe some Alpha Jem'Hadars, bred specifically for combat in our corner of space. A type of Jem'Hadar that could be further studied upon and perfectionated, possibly also influencing future Gamma Jem'Hadar. And then there were the dreadnoughs, who according to the Valiant were designed and constructed in the Alpha Quadrant. So there was saving the military technology they developed during the war, as well as first-hand experiences in how not to take on the Alpha Quadrant, and how to do take them on.
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