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The Defiant was launched around the same time as Voyager and we know that the Equinox, which arrived in the Delta Quadrant before her, was equipped with an EMH...so with the Defiant being a warship and having inept medical capabilities, why wasn't an EMH installed? It would have saved having Bashir hang around on the bridge, waiting for an officer to be injured and then moaning...all the while being wooden as a board.

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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    kayajay wrote: »
    The Defiant was launched around the same time as Voyager and we know that the Equinox, which arrived in the Delta Quadrant before her, was equipped with an EMH...so with the Defiant being a warship and having inept medical capabilities, why wasn't an EMH installed? It would have saved having Bashir hang around on the bridge, waiting for an officer to be injured and then moaning...all the while being wooden as a board.

    The ship didn't even have a sickbay originally, so where would you put the EMH and his holographic projectors?

    It also was still a prototype - I suppose the production model might have eventually seen some improvements in that regard. Or maybe not. If the Defiant Class primary purpose was to have a warship for the Borg, maybe they expected them to mostly be attached to larger fleets or starbases, so any injured could be transported over anyway, if the ship even survived. This is kinda how the Defiant was operated, too - it wasn't doing much in the way of self-sufficient Deep Space operations.
    And it might also explain the reason for the "Escort" title (other than as euphenism). it was never supposed to be a stand-alone ship, but to "escort" other ships or bases.
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  • therealmaddmatttherealmaddmatt Member Posts: 120 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    At that point in time, the EMH was only just that, for emergencies for when live medical personel were incapacitated, especially since right out of the box, they weren't very good. Also, the Defiant was just a test vessel, and wasn't actually completed when The Sisko appropriated it for use at DS9. So unless someone thought to retrofit the ship with holo emitters, there could be no EMH.

    Of course, the real-world reason was that the concept of the EMH wouldn't be thought of until Voyager (as a show) was developed, and Picardo's contract would likely have prevented him from having to pull double-duty that would be required for two shows.

    Edit: mustrumridcully0 beat me to the punch...
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,921 Arc User
    kayajay wrote: »
    The Defiant was launched around the same time as Voyager and we know that the Equinox, which arrived in the Delta Quadrant before her, was equipped with an EMH...so with the Defiant being a warship and having inept medical capabilities, why wasn't an EMH installed? It would have saved having Bashir hang around on the bridge, waiting for an officer to be injured and then moaning...all the while being wooden as a board.

    Well if I remember correctly the Defiant was being worked on for a long time before it's launch, the design was shelfed for some reason or another but I guess as technology advanced they were able to fix the problem(s). So it's possible the ship was designed before EMH's were.
  • bunansabunansa Member Posts: 928 Arc User
    All the power was going into the weaponry system as well? To work the emh system into a ship like the Defiant probably would have had O'Brien having kittens to work that in as well.
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  • gradiigradii Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    Every engineer needs a kitten. and a hamster to run the servers.

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  • medalionemissarymedalionemissary Member Posts: 612 Arc User
    The Defiant was built shortly after "Best of Both Worlds" but well before Voyager was launched. Defiant was put in storage because the "Borg threat" it was designed for was less urgent at the time.
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  • therealmaddmatttherealmaddmatt Member Posts: 120 Arc User
    It was also considered a failure as an experiment, since it couldn't perform as designed, hence O'Brein's having to dumb the ship down so the engines wouldn't tear the ship apart. Starfleet engineers had no idea how to build a warship, so after mothballing the Defiant, they went back to what they knew. As well, the Defiant had no space for science labs, of which are mandated by the Starfleet Charter. Hence, it's replacement: the Sovereign class.
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  • therealmaddmatttherealmaddmatt Member Posts: 120 Arc User
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    No, the ship was overpowered that caused the problem ...

    You pretty much just said the same thing I did, it's just that you mis-read my post.
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    The Sovereign class wasnt its replacement

    I should have been a little more succinct: While the Sovereign makes for an excelent replacement for the Excelsior-class, it replaced the Defiant in it's intended role as a Borg fighter. This isn't a bold statement, this is from the producers, and the handoff is illustrated in the Battle of Sector 001.

  • medalionemissarymedalionemissary Member Posts: 612 Arc User
    The Defiant was meant to be a stripped down, infantry ship with huge guns and armor for a ship of its size, as part of a Battle Fleet to take on the numbers of the Borg. They knew they would be sending more than just 1 Cube at a time someday. The Defiant was never meant to stand alone as a single ship against the Borg... it was meant to be an Attack Wing of ships. The fact it did so well against 1 Borg cube, and the Dominion for so long is a testament to the ingenuity of O'Brien.
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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,983 Arc User
    Well, it's also worth considering the question of how wide the initial introduction of EMH's were. It may not have been fleet wide, at least before Voyager's launch.
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  • jslynjslyn Member Posts: 1,791 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    The fact it did so well against 1 Borg cube, and the Dominion for so long is a testament to the ingenuity of O'Brien.

    Don't forget poor Sisko. He was around, too. He is also an engineer, a starship design specialist at that. I am sure he had a little bit of input on how to fix the thing.
  • officerbatman81officerbatman81 Member Posts: 2,761 Arc User
    Therealmaddmatt sayz:
    " As well, the Defiant had no space for science labs, of which are mandated by the Starfleet Charter."

    Where does this come from?
  • kayajaykayajay Member Posts: 1,990 Arc User
    With Lenara Kahn and her artificial wormhole...it never made sense to me why the Defiant was the ship conducting that experiment. So, the ship and its crew were parked next to a wormhole, but none of them were experts and the Defiant wasn't a science vessel, so why was it doing the experiments? We already know that the Carolina couldn't close a geodesic fold and that the Defiant has no science labs, capabilities or probably sensors comparable to say Voyager...it was just a tragic idea and excuse to get Dax and Kahn together.
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  • tyriniussstyriniusss Member Posts: 317 Arc User
    At that point in time, the EMH was only just that, for emergencies for when live medical personel were incapacitated, especially since right out of the box, they weren't very good. Also, the Defiant was just a test vessel, and wasn't actually completed when The Sisko appropriated it for use at DS9. So unless someone thought to retrofit the ship with holo emitters, there could be no EMH.

    Of course, the real-world reason was that the concept of the EMH wouldn't be thought of until Voyager (as a show) was developed, and Picardo's contract would likely have prevented him from having to pull double-duty that would be required for two shows.

    In Season 5 "Doctor Bashir, I Presume?" Picardo actually plays both Dr. Zimmerman and the EMH. But afaik he was only in that single episode, so your point still stands.

    In that episode Sisko explains, that the Cardassian technology is incompatible with most Starfleet systems, and that's why they can't install an EMH on the station.

    While that doesn't say much about the Defiant, it does tell us, that it's not as easy as just slapping some holo emitters on the wall.
    The fact, that Rear Admiral Bennett attended Bashirs hearing via a holo-projection on DS9 in the same episode, and the use of holo-projected communciations on the Defiant's bridge suggests, that it's not an issue to install and use holo emitters.

    The problem seems to be that the EMH software just doesn't work on all machines. "Compatiple only with LCARS 2.1 - Exploration Edition", while the Defiant runs a more specialized "Combat Edition" due to maybe a less powerful computer core.
    Or it lacks certain hardware that's necessary for the program to work, but outside of that it's only used for more advanced science experiments, which the Defiant can't do anyway due to not having a Science Lab.
  • therealmaddmatttherealmaddmatt Member Posts: 120 Arc User
    That's another good point, I can only imagine how much more taxing it would be to install a sentient AI and it's associated medical databases into what is probably an already pretty full computer system.
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