The reason I don't see this happening is that this would imply that at one point the players character took out the laundry together with another person that resulted in descendants. This would go against some players who designed their characters to, whatever the reason will be, never can OR never wants to have children. People already cry about the lack of background story imagination that is caused by Tovan Khev, having a line of descendants survive all the way to the 29th century and actually amounting to become scientists/engineers..... I don't see this happening.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
And how exactly would an optional dialogue option work without removing the "I don't/can't have children" mindset? If it's a choice the player can make, it will imply that the character will eventually have a child regardless of whether it's selected or not. Dialogue options are meant to account for player mentality because such things are fluid and dependent on circumstance. They aren't meant to provide potential facts related to the future of that character.
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A nephew, niece, or cousin's child is still from your family, that is how they can be your descendant.
As Taco pointed out, I don't think you understand what a descendant is. A nephew/niece is NOT your descendant, but a descendant of one of your siblings. A cousin's child would still be just a cousin to you, although a few times removed.
The only way someone can be a descendant of you, is if you had a child. Period.
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And how exactly would an optional dialogue option work without removing the "I don't/can't have children" mindset? If it's a choice the player can make, it will imply that the character will eventually have a child regardless of whether it's selected or not. Dialogue options are meant to account for player mentality because such things are fluid and dependent on circumstance. They aren't meant to provide potential facts related to the future of that character.
We don't need to remove that mindset, that mindset doesn't exist. you just explained yourself why we should have this as a dialouge OPTION.
You make an argument and then immediately refute it.
This:
If it's a choice the player can make, it will imply that the character will eventually have a child regardless of whether it's selected or not.
then this:
They aren't meant to provide potential facts related to the future of that character.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
And how exactly would an optional dialogue option work without removing the "I don't/can't have children" mindset? If it's a choice the player can make, it will imply that the character will eventually have a child regardless of whether it's selected or not. Dialogue options are meant to account for player mentality because such things are fluid and dependent on circumstance. They aren't meant to provide potential facts related to the future of that character.
We don't need to remove that mindset, that mindset doesn't exist. you just explained yourself why we should have this as a dialouge OPTION.
You make an argument and then immediately refute it.
This:
If it's a choice the player can make, it will imply that the character will eventually have a child regardless of whether it's selected or not.
then this:
They aren't meant to provide potential facts related to the future of that character.
You misinterpreted what I said. In a game like this, dialogue choices shouldn't be used for that purpose. I did not mean that they can't. In a fixed story where the story writer already knows what will happen to the character it might be acceptable, but not in an open-ended game like this where the player's future isn't absolute.
The universe has a wonderful sense of humor. The trick is learning how to take a joke.
And how exactly would an optional dialogue option work without removing the "I don't/can't have children" mindset? If it's a choice the player can make, it will imply that the character will eventually have a child regardless of whether it's selected or not. Dialogue options are meant to account for player mentality because such things are fluid and dependent on circumstance. They aren't meant to provide potential facts related to the future of that character.
We don't need to remove that mindset, that mindset doesn't exist. you just explained yourself why we should have this as a dialouge OPTION.
You make an argument and then immediately refute it.
This:
If it's a choice the player can make, it will imply that the character will eventually have a child regardless of whether it's selected or not.
then this:
They aren't meant to provide potential facts related to the future of that character.
You misinterpreted what I said. In a game like this, dialogue choices shouldn't be used for that purpose. I did not mean that they can't. In a fixed story where the story writer already knows what will happen to the character it might be acceptable, but not in an open-ended game like this where the player's future isn't absolute.
I guess I just disagree on Optional Dialouge Choices determining a character's future. I don't need to choose them and as far as I'm concerned if I didn't pick it my character didn't even think it.
I just want as many options as possible in dialouge to choose from.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
I would be fine with it, so long as he refused to answer. Predestination paradoxes and all that.
He probably would refuse to answer, and its likely your character would know he would. Temporal Prime Directive and all.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
This reminds me how I rather disliked my boffs having personal comments about wanting payback (essentially revenge) against the Iconians, and describing having friends on certain ships. Don't try to write my boffs personality and background story for me Cryptic! Especially not my character! It ends up contradiction my own view of my character and boffs and what their feelings and values are about things.
I would be fine with it, so long as he refused to answer. Predestination paradoxes and all that.
He probably would refuse to answer, and its likely your character would know he would. Temporal Prime Directive and all.
Yes, this was why i made this thread in the first place, not so some people would take a question about a family tree too literally. "You" can also mean a group of people, depending on how many people the person saying it needs.
Not that it really matters anymore now that the episode has come and gone. Considering that fact, i now declare this thread ended.
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The thing with descendants is that in all practical ways they have to originate from you and your offspring. AKA children.
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Have we forgotten we used to have those?
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
And how exactly would an optional dialogue option work without removing the "I don't/can't have children" mindset? If it's a choice the player can make, it will imply that the character will eventually have a child regardless of whether it's selected or not. Dialogue options are meant to account for player mentality because such things are fluid and dependent on circumstance. They aren't meant to provide potential facts related to the future of that character.
The universe has a wonderful sense of humor. The trick is learning how to take a joke.
The only way someone can be a descendant of you, is if you had a child. Period.
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What threat ? What's it with all the hostility ?
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Hey, that would make my comment seem odd.... not that I meant any offense, but still....
We don't need to remove that mindset, that mindset doesn't exist. you just explained yourself why we should have this as a dialouge OPTION.
You make an argument and then immediately refute it.
This:
then this:
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
You misinterpreted what I said. In a game like this, dialogue choices shouldn't be used for that purpose. I did not mean that they can't. In a fixed story where the story writer already knows what will happen to the character it might be acceptable, but not in an open-ended game like this where the player's future isn't absolute.
The universe has a wonderful sense of humor. The trick is learning how to take a joke.
I guess I just disagree on Optional Dialouge Choices determining a character's future. I don't need to choose them and as far as I'm concerned if I didn't pick it my character didn't even think it.
I just want as many options as possible in dialouge to choose from.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
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He probably would refuse to answer, and its likely your character would know he would. Temporal Prime Directive and all.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
Yes, this was why i made this thread in the first place, not so some people would take a question about a family tree too literally. "You" can also mean a group of people, depending on how many people the person saying it needs.
Not that it really matters anymore now that the episode has come and gone. Considering that fact, i now declare this thread ended.