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Would you like STO to have log in rewards?

thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,167 Arc User
Some MMOs have daily log in rewards that you can claim simply by logging in. Some people obviously like getting something for free, and other people don't like feeling "forced" to log in or else miss getting something. Would you like STO to have log in rewards? If so, what kind? If not, why?

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Would you like STO to have log in rewards? 91 votes

Yes, such as...
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No, because...
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  • sirmaydaysirmayday Member Posts: 535 Arc User
    You forgot 'it already does.' Oh, sure, you technically have to do more than log in to DOff and take care of your Admiralty stuff, but it's effectively a daily log in reward system.
  • samt1996samt1996 Member Posts: 2,856 Arc User
    No, because...
    TRIBBLE, cheesy, totally beneath any respectable game... take your pick.
  • happyhappyj0yj0yhappyhappyj0yj0y Member Posts: 699 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    Yes, such as...
    Log in rewards have kept me coming back to other games, so I think it's a good idea.

    Generally they should be small things, maybe a few refined dilithium, some EC, maybe a pack of crafting mats, and ever twenty or thirty or so days something larger, like a quality DOff, or BOff, or Admiralty ship... something of moderate value.
  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,708 Arc User
    What kind of rewards? 1 Lobi each week per account?​​
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  • deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
    Yes, such as...
    samt1996 wrote: »
    TRIBBLE, cheesy, totally beneath any respectable game... take your pick.

    what's wrong with being TRIBBLE?


    Anyways, sure why not? Not something big... but maybe lobi for daily logging?
  • jade1280jade1280 Member Posts: 868 Arc User
    No, because...
    Nah only noob games do that these days
  • cidjackcidjack Member Posts: 2,017 Arc User
    No, because...
    We get enough free stuff. People need to grind.
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  • rosetyler51rosetyler51 Member Posts: 1,631 Arc User
    cidjack wrote: »
    We get enough free stuff. People need to grind.

    The fact that I don't know if this is a joke or not scares me. Not saying you're wrong. Just not sure if this is a joke.

    As for the question at hand. Really wish there is a "meh" choice. If it happened yay, if not this would be also well. Unless the prizes was like huge or something I would not see much real use out of it. And if the prizes was huge I'm sure someone would get mad over it.
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  • tarran61tarran61 Member Posts: 827 Arc User
    No, because...
    I think you need to do something, anything to get something, just logging in, no.
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  • kitsunesnoutkitsunesnout Member Posts: 1,210 Arc User
    No, because...
    Doffing, it's essentially that pretty much already, everyone should learn about the value of having at least one or more KDF alt with even green doffs giving you good free contraband almost everyday for almost no effort at all.
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  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,167 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    Log in rewards...yeah...no. That is for stupid silly phone games...not real ones.

    This is factually wrong. Just off the top of my head, both LOTRO and Wildstar have login rewards. While "stupid" and "silly" are obviously subjective and opinion based, neither of those are phone games, and that is simply a fact. So whether you happen to like either of those games or not, you are still wrong.

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  • tempus64tempus64 Member Posts: 806 Arc User
    No, because...
    Just don't see the need for this. They have many giveaways that you're only going to get if you check the game every day, not to mention every 2 weeks we have some weekend event with "free" stuff for just doing what you normally do.
  • dracounguisdracounguis Member Posts: 5,358 Arc User
    No, because...
    Log in rewards have kept me coming back to other games, so I think it's a good idea.

    Generally they should be small things, maybe a few refined dilithium, some EC, maybe a pack of crafting mats, and ever twenty or thirty or so days something larger, like a quality DOff, or BOff, or Admiralty ship... something of moderate value.

    How about a window with Kurland popping up saying he's here and he's glad you are too! :D
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    Yes, such as...
    samt1996 wrote: »
    TRIBBLE, cheesy, totally beneath any respectable game... take your pick.

    what's wrong with being TRIBBLE?


    Anyways, sure why not? Not something big... but maybe lobi for daily logging?

    What's wrong with being cheesy?​​
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,016 Arc User
    No, because...
    artan42 wrote: »
    samt1996 wrote: »
    TRIBBLE, cheesy, totally beneath any respectable game... take your pick.

    what's wrong with being TRIBBLE?


    Anyways, sure why not? Not something big... but maybe lobi for daily logging?

    What's wrong with being cheesy?

    What's wrong with being TRIBBLE and cheesy? pig-13.gif The forums get more hostile every day pig-37.gif

    OP: No. Log-in rewards "feel" cheap, right now STO still pretends it's a game with some sort of dignity left pig-2.gif​​
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    Yes, such as...
    angrytarg wrote: »
    artan42 wrote: »
    samt1996 wrote: »
    TRIBBLE, cheesy, totally beneath any respectable game... take your pick.

    what's wrong with being TRIBBLE?


    Anyways, sure why not? Not something big... but maybe lobi for daily logging?

    What's wrong with being cheesy?

    What's wrong with being TRIBBLE and cheesy? pig-13.gif The forums get more hostile every day pig-37.gif

    OP: No. Log-in rewards "feel" cheap, right now STO still pretends it's a game with some sort of dignity left pig-2.gif

    Umm, TRIBBLE and cheesy, like Elton John? What's wrong with being TRIBBLE and cheesy, that damn music pig-2.gif.


    As to the question, yes, auto Dilithium refine. Give the veterans a increases of a 10,000 refine limit to compensate.​​
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
    JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.

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    'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
    'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    Sure, give me free rewards, why would I see no?

    I wouldn't expect it to happen -Cryptic already has a bunch of rewards for people that take a few minutes to play each day - DOFFs, Daily Bonus Marks, and now Admirality.
    samt1996 wrote: »
    TRIBBLE, cheesy, totally beneath any respectable game... take your pick.

    what's wrong with being TRIBBLE?


    Anyways, sure why not? Not something big... but maybe lobi for daily logging?

    TRIBBLE as in "the TRIBBLE life of the rich" perhaps? STO is serious business.
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  • samt1996samt1996 Member Posts: 2,856 Arc User
    No, because...
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    It's a useful adjective, it's not like certain groups have a claim on it.
  • arabaturarabatur Member Posts: 410 Arc User
    No, because...
    There is already a subscription model with additional niceties, which I doubt Cryptic would alter.
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  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    Yes, such as...
    Sure, why not. A reward is a reward is a reward.

    Typically, games that have them have some kind of rotation, alternating between quantities of base currencies and common items and then occasionally a little bit of a premium currency or a less common item. With maybe something unique on important milestones or for streak of uninterrupted daily logins.

    However, giving EC or anything tradeable is no good, because free accounts could be used to farm unlimited quantities of them. So, account/character-bound things only. Fortunately the game has lots of those to choose from.
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,865 Arc User
    No, because...
    We already have doffing, the Admiralty system, learning the lore / path to 2409. I think we're set for daily free loot.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    isn't that what the dil refining cap is for? :p
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  • thatcursedwolfthatcursedwolf Member Posts: 1,617 Arc User
    No, because...
    I thought it was all the 20 hour projects you click buttons for and then log out.
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  • darkbladejkdarkbladejk Member Posts: 3,883 Community Moderator
    No, because...
    Some MMOs have daily log in rewards that you can claim simply by logging in. Some people obviously like getting something for free, and other people don't like feeling "forced" to log in or else miss getting something. Would you like STO to have log in rewards? If so, what kind? If not, why?

    Not only not but absolutely not.

    TRIBBLE like this does nothing but breed a sense of entitlement from people and destroys any motivation for people to do anything in game. If you do something like this such as offering a free stack of weapons batteries as something very simple, it won't be long before that's not enough for people. It wouldn't be long before people start demanding that they're given even better things for logging in. We're given free ships in events and giveaways, not to mention that we can earn zen without ever having to drop a dime on the game. honestly what more could you possibly want?

    Anything beyond an acolade is an absolute no go. If you give people something simple such as say a stack of regular weapon batteries being a very easy thing, as I said above, folks are going to start wanting more and more. First it could be the weapons batteries, then it'll be wanting a pack of mats, then it'll be wanting green quality space and ground item, then it'll go to wanting full on epics and ships eventually down the line. When you start giving out anything beyond an acolade then why would people want to do anything in game when they could just get everything mailed to them.

    In most mmos this one included, if you put forth the minimum amount of effort then you'll only ever get the minimum amount of reward. If all you ever do is just normal missions, and only have green quality everything as a result, or even white quality, then that's on you. If you actually put forth the maximum amount of effort possible, then you can get really far in this game. if you actually sit down and try at this game you can have very high quality ultra-rare or even epic quality equipment in very little time at all. Let's face it, most of the general mmo populace can be and is very lazy. all you would be doing is fostering that sense of entitlement of folks wanting something for nothing.
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  • happyhappyj0yj0yhappyhappyj0yj0y Member Posts: 699 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    Yes, such as...
    I think a lot of people are confusing what log in rewards actually are, and the purpose they serve.

    They're generally very small, with periodic larger rewards that are worthwhile. They are doled out sequentially and are obtained for no other reason than logging in. No system in the game meets these requirements, and they are all needed.

    So what does it do?

    It gives tiny bonuses to people from day one, thus helping to sway back all players which Admiralty and DOffing don't do, as they're both level-locked and require a stable of "cards". Fact is, a new player with no investment in the game doesn't have much reason to come back and DOffing and Admiralty isn't going to help that. Telling them there's something available at some point which they don't have access to and which involves all of these little cards which are generally available for real money or time-locked currency isn't likely to sway their opinion to keep coming back. "What's that? If I keep coming back I can eventually unlock something I can barely use right off the bat without a massive investment of money or time-gated in-game funds I don't have? Where do I sign up!?" Log in rewards can't involve an investment because they are partially there to sway people back who have no investment.

    Log in rewards take basically zero time. As a result it's something that can sway you in when you really aren't in the mood to play, or don't have the time... which can sometimes lead to you playing despite that because, well, hey sometimes all a player needs is a kick in the pants. Setting up all of your DOffing and Admiralty missions, especially if you have multiple characters, takes time. Running my stuff there can take me upwards of an hour... while those things net me more than a log in reward ever should, they also require a massively larger investment of time which means if I'm not in the mood to play STO or don't have the time... I'm less likely to log in since I know that it's going to mean an hour+ of time sunk. And while a small reward to get the player through the door may not always lead to them being sucked in and sticking around for a few hours, never getting them through the door in that situation means there's zero chance of them sticking around.

    A log in rewards system gives sequential rewards. This is important. While most of the rewards are small and inconsequential, there should be larger unique (often cosmetic) rewards placed as milestones. So if you log in for 150 days you get, say, a shiny new jacket. That means that every day you don't log in that jacket gets another day further away. If you don't DOff or do Admiralty in a day? It's meaningless because you're not really working toward anything as there's no real progression toward anything substantive. DOffing and Admiralty just get you is more DOffs and Admiralty ships to use within those mini-games and not the actual game proper, and beyond that? More XP, dilithium, EC and crafting mats, all stuff you can obtain elsewhere.

    The entire point of log in rewards is to get you to log in when you wouldn't otherwise. Systems that require a larger investment, like DOffing and Admiralty, don't do that quite simply because they're too much of an investment. The point is to get you through the door when you'd rather not go through it because, again, sometimes all a player needs is that kick in the pants, and beyond that there should be a screen that automatically pops up when you log in that tells you all of the stuff that's currently going on... shows you what event is up, what rewards there are for it, what was just released to the C-Store, what sales are going on... the kind of stuff that people in THIS game often don't know because they don't visit the forum and the game is absolutely terrible when it comes to telling the player anything.

    The point is that you get them through the door and then you show them what they're missing out on.

    This is something STO should do, something it would benefit from because, at the moment, it's something it does terribly. Take a peek around at how many Fleets are dying off and try telling yourself Cryptic doesn't have a problem getting people to keep coming back. While churn is keeping the game going, retention is a problem here, one that log in rewards are specifically designed to deal with. Will it solve the problem entirely? No, but it's something.
  • mackbolan01mackbolan01 Member Posts: 580 Arc User
    how about the rechargeable batteries (account bound).......​​
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