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Kemocite lag . . . any acknowledgement from Cryptic yet?

Hello . . .

As the subject suggests - the issue with KLW / TS (and FAW to a lesser extent) has been well documented by now thanks to the work of others on these forums.

Apologies if I've missed it, but has there been any acknowledgement from any of the devs / Cryptic etc yet that they are looking into a fix? The issue is making almost any sort of team run impossible to finish properly, and indeed a CCA lag-fest last night resulted in an AFK penalty.

Cheers,

B.​​
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  • pottsey5gpottsey5g Member Posts: 4,326 Arc User
    The devs acknowledged there was a problem but there solution made the problem worse :(
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,573 Arc User
    Never seen any lag in CCA or even in Tholian Red Alerts where this is firing off. Only lag I have seen recently has been slight ones in First City and ESD.
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  • tinkerstormtinkerstorm Member Posts: 853 Arc User
    ltminns wrote: »
    Never seen any lag in CCA or even in Tholian Red Alerts where this is firing off. Only lag I have seen recently has been slight ones in First City and ESD.
    Maybe you have not logged into the game for a long time. Today was lag, rubberbanding, disconnect, lag, lag, rubberbanding, lag, lag, disconnect, rubberbanding, lag, lag, lag, disconnect, lag, lag, lag, lag, rubberbanding, rubberbanding, zone crash to desktop, can't login, can't login, can't login, login but zone still crashed to desktop, login verrrrrrrrrrrrry sloooooooooowly, lag, lag, lag, lag, lag, lag, rubberbanding, rubberbanding, rubberbanding, rubberbanding, rubberbanding, lag, lag, lag, lag, disconnect, lag, lag, rubberbanding, lag, rubberbanding, lag, disconnect.

    Really looking forward to Season 11, New Lag.
  • tempus64tempus64 Member Posts: 806 Arc User
    Maybe you have not logged into the game for a long time. Today was lag, rubberbanding, disconnect, lag, lag, rubberbanding, lag, lag, disconnect, rubberbanding, lag, lag, lag, disconnect, lag, lag, lag, lag, rubberbanding, rubberbanding, zone crash to desktop, can't login, can't login, can't login, login but zone still crashed to desktop, login verrrrrrrrrrrrry sloooooooooowly, lag, lag, lag, lag, lag, lag, rubberbanding, rubberbanding, rubberbanding, rubberbanding, rubberbanding, lag, lag, lag, lag, disconnect, lag, lag, rubberbanding, lag, rubberbanding, lag, disconnect.
    None of that for me when I was playing a few hours ago. To be frank, any player that always has lag and issues like that should start looking at their computer system, ISP and especially their drivers. I run this thing on an old system and other than the couple times in the last couple months where it was bad for pretty much everyone in the game, I rarely have any major issues.
  • sinn74sinn74 Member Posts: 1,149 Arc User
    tempus64 wrote: »
    To be frank, any player that always has lag and issues like that should start looking at their computer system, ISP and especially their drivers.
    Tell that to everyone on Qonos earlier, all of whom had horrid, unplayable rubberbanding- but only in one instance. Something's fishy.
  • tempus64tempus64 Member Posts: 806 Arc User
    sinn74 wrote: »
    tempus64 wrote: »
    To be frank, any player that always has lag and issues like that should start looking at their computer system, ISP and especially their drivers.
    Tell that to everyone on Qonos earlier, all of whom had horrid, unplayable rubberbanding- but only in one instance. Something's fishy.
    Yes. You said "everyone" though and what I said was for those that are experiencing constant issues when most others don't.

    The everyone issues is obviously a different thing. During the DDOS thing, the day before it started, instance 3 on Qo'nos was lagging for everyone. Think the next day it changed to instance 5. But that was for everyone, so obviously it wouldn't have been anyones computer or ISP problem but something over towards the Cryptic side of things.

  • pottsey5gpottsey5g Member Posts: 4,326 Arc User
    tempus64 wrote: »
    Maybe you have not logged into the game for a long time. Today was lag, rubberbanding, disconnect, lag, lag, rubberbanding, lag, lag, disconnect, rubberbanding, lag, lag, lag, disconnect, lag, lag, lag, lag, rubberbanding, rubberbanding, zone crash to desktop, can't login, can't login, can't login, login but zone still crashed to desktop, login verrrrrrrrrrrrry sloooooooooowly, lag, lag, lag, lag, lag, lag, rubberbanding, rubberbanding, rubberbanding, rubberbanding, rubberbanding, lag, lag, lag, lag, disconnect, lag, lag, rubberbanding, lag, rubberbanding, lag, disconnect.
    None of that for me when I was playing a few hours ago. To be frank, any player that always has lag and issues like that should start looking at their computer system, ISP and especially their drivers. I run this thing on an old system and other than the couple times in the last couple months where it was bad for pretty much everyone in the game, I rarely have any major issues.
    Done all that and its very clear the lag is caused by Kemocite+ Torp Spread. I bet I can cause you lag if you fly with me just by using those two skills together.
  • tempus64tempus64 Member Posts: 806 Arc User
    pottsey5g wrote: »
    tempus64 wrote: »
    Maybe you have not logged into the game for a long time. Today was lag, rubberbanding, disconnect, lag, lag, rubberbanding, lag, lag, disconnect, rubberbanding, lag, lag, lag, disconnect, lag, lag, lag, lag, rubberbanding, rubberbanding, zone crash to desktop, can't login, can't login, can't login, login but zone still crashed to desktop, login verrrrrrrrrrrrry sloooooooooowly, lag, lag, lag, lag, lag, lag, rubberbanding, rubberbanding, rubberbanding, rubberbanding, rubberbanding, lag, lag, lag, lag, disconnect, lag, lag, rubberbanding, lag, rubberbanding, lag, disconnect.
    None of that for me when I was playing a few hours ago. To be frank, any player that always has lag and issues like that should start looking at their computer system, ISP and especially their drivers. I run this thing on an old system and other than the couple times in the last couple months where it was bad for pretty much everyone in the game, I rarely have any major issues.
    Done all that and its very clear the lag is caused by Kemocite+ Torp Spread. I bet I can cause you lag if you fly with me just by using those two skills together.
    I've been in red alerts etc where people are using both those and I've not seen any noticeable lag. Perhaps it's something far more specific like stacking multiple copies or other powers in conjunction with it.
  • seansamurai1seansamurai1 Member Posts: 634 Arc User
    Not everyone sees or gets lag.
    Just because you don't, doesn't mean everyone else isn't.

    I rarely get lag but when I do, it hits hard.
  • sarosssaross Member Posts: 248 Media Corps
    Run with people who use 2-3 versions of Kemocite. Then you can see lag. If you want I can point you to a direction of players who do have and use multiple versions who can demostrate the lag caused by Kemocite.​​
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  • tinkerstormtinkerstorm Member Posts: 853 Arc User
    tempus64 wrote: »
    Maybe you have not logged into the game for a long time. Today was lag, rubberbanding, disconnect, lag, lag, rubberbanding, lag, lag, disconnect, rubberbanding, lag, lag, lag, disconnect, lag, lag, lag, lag, rubberbanding, rubberbanding, zone crash to desktop, can't login, can't login, can't login, login but zone still crashed to desktop, login verrrrrrrrrrrrry sloooooooooowly, lag, lag, lag, lag, lag, lag, rubberbanding, rubberbanding, rubberbanding, rubberbanding, rubberbanding, lag, lag, lag, lag, disconnect, lag, lag, rubberbanding, lag, rubberbanding, lag, disconnect.
    None of that for me when I was playing a few hours ago. To be frank, any player that always has lag and issues like that should start looking at their computer system, ISP and especially their drivers. I run this thing on an old system and other than the couple times in the last couple months where it was bad for pretty much everyone in the game, I rarely have any major issues.
    Yes, you've solved it! Of course, that does not explain why this is only a problem with STO and not with any of the 6 other MMOs I currently play. But you're a genius! The problem is all on my end and has nothing to do with the problems at Cryptic THAT THE DEVS HAVE ADMITTED THEY HAVE!

  • sheldonlcoopersheldonlcooper Member Posts: 4,042 Arc User
    They should take it out of the game until they can fix it :)
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  • tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    solution remove KLW1 and 2 from game and delete it from all players who have them... give anyone with KLW1 or 2 version 3... no more stacking of KLWs anymore and no more lag. Yes it'll only be on the Lt Cmd slot so most folks probably wont ever slot it... even more lag issues prevented.
  • aurigas7aurigas7 Member Posts: 488 Arc User
    Since fixing it is obviously beyond their capabilities, they should remove it.
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  • scarlingscarling Member Posts: 708 Arc User
    They should take it out of the game until they can fix it :)

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  • darkknightucfdarkknightucf Member Posts: 1,546 Media Corps
    Hmm, by this logic, they should remove the plasma embassy consoles....
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  • sheldonlcoopersheldonlcooper Member Posts: 4,042 Arc User
    Hmm, by this logic, they should remove the plasma embassy consoles....

    I thought they did? I removed mine anyway.
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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,573 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    Maybe I haven't played in a while, ha, that is funny. A couple to three hours on weekdays and up to six or more hours per day on weekends. No I guess I don't have recent play time at all. ;)
    Post edited by ltminns on
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  • darkknightucfdarkknightucf Member Posts: 1,546 Media Corps
    Hmm, by this logic, they should remove the plasma embassy consoles....

    I thought they did? I removed mine anyway.

    touche..

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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,573 Arc User
    I guess I will have to play my Krenim Warship with DHCs, Radiant Transphasic, TS3, KLW2, and will switch out CRF3 with CSV3 and try it out tomorrow in a Tholian Red Alert and CCA. I will throw in a GW1 for good measure.
    'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
    Judge Dan Haywood
    'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
    l don't know.
    l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
    That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
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  • tempusmagustempusmagus Member Posts: 107 Arc User
    tigeraries wrote: »
    solution remove KLW1 and 2 from game and delete it from all players who have them... give anyone with KLW1 or 2 version 3... no more stacking of KLWs anymore and no more lag. Yes it'll only be on the Lt Cmd slot so most folks probably wont ever slot it... even more lag issues prevented.
    They should take it out of the game until they can fix it :)

    Thing is, this is a lockbox item that equates to revenue for them. If they go the same route as the plasma consoles and just nerf them rather than fix them, it's probably going to make some people wary about opening boxes. This will be a revenue loss for Cryptic.

    The thing I'm looking for is them to turn off the visuals or turn them down, same with drb. Yeah, I get that flashy stuff sells more, but if you keep lagging the hell out of the game, the fun goes away and so do people.
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,573 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    Did as I said above with the Krenim, TS3, KLW2, etc. Went into a Tholian and Borg Red alert and CCA. Fired off KLW and TS3 as much as I could. Fireworks, but no lag or rubber banding. Maybe a different combo, or KLW1?
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    'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
    Judge Dan Haywood
    'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
    l don't know.
    l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
    That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
    Lt. Philip J. Minns
  • xapocalypseponyxxapocalypseponyx Member Posts: 577 Arc User
    I hope they have the next game-breaking, lag inducing, ridiculously over powered ability ready to go. Because God help us if we go a month without any of that.
  • tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    ltminns wrote: »
    Dis as I said above Krenim, TS3 KLW2, etc. Went into a Tholian and Borg Red alert and CCA. Fired off KLW and TS3 as much as I could. Fireworks, but no lag or rubber banding. Maybe a different combo, or KLW1?

    From reports you need to stack KLWs... not just use KLW2. But use KLW2 with 3 or 1 or use ALL 3 at the same time. Actually you may not even need to "use" all 3... just have the abilities slotted on your bridge officers.
  • borticuscrypticborticuscryptic Member Posts: 2,478 Cryptic Developer
    I can acknowledge there is an issue with Kemocite-Laced Weaponry, and a few other powers that were recently updated in our server performance patches. It's under investigation and is a high priority. Reviewing/fixing the issue has been a bit slow due to a primary focus on getting S11 ready for a clean launch.
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  • e30erneste30ernest Member Posts: 1,794 Arc User
    I can acknowledge there is an issue with Kemocite-Laced Weaponry, and a few other powers that were recently updated in our server performance patches. It's under investigation and is a high priority. Reviewing/fixing the issue has been a bit slow due to a primary focus on getting S11 ready for a clean launch.

    I'm happy to read that. I'm really hoping this gets fixed. :smile:
  • bobs1111bobs1111 Member Posts: 471 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    I can acknowledge there is an issue with Kemocite-Laced Weaponry, and a few other powers that were recently updated in our server performance patches. It's under investigation and is a high priority. Reviewing/fixing the issue has been a bit slow due to a primary focus on getting S11 ready for a clean launch.

    Bort I want to give you the benifit of the doubt here. You should perhaps talk to the people that make the decisions and let them know that this one is a little bit game breaking and if S11 is to be a smooth launch perhaps it should get taken care of Now... cause waiting to fix it until they have the next broken item ready to sell with S11 looks a lot like this was done on purpose. I don't mean that to sound harsh... however the optics of constantly waiting to fix major bugs (that are always on items and skills that make Cryptic money) until the next new shiny thing is ready for sale are poor.

    If that isn't 100% the intention perhaps you should pass it up the chain that more and more people are starting to see it that way... which doesn't help the long term cause.
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  • alcyoneserenealcyoneserene Member Posts: 2,414 Arc User
    Parsing ISA runs is no longer possible suddenly as the frame rates just enter slide show and the windows STO task reports hanging when it is bad enough but so far has not crashed. Doesn't always happen but it is severe and recurrent enough that I can't risk losing the pug ISA (as the only one doing CC). I'm assuming this is related to kemo impacting server problem despite behaving as though it were a FPS issue and hope it clears up once that's resolved. It is also just the fact of turning on combatlog itself and not the actual program that analyses the parse.
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  • lucho80lucho80 Member Posts: 6,600 Bug Hunter
    bobs1111 wrote: »

    Bort I want to give you the benifit of the doubt here. You should perhaps talk to the people that make the decisions and let them know that this one is a little bit game breaking and if S11 is to be a smooth launch perhaps it should get taken care of Now... cause waiting to fix it until they have the next broken item ready to sell with S11 looks a lot like this was done on purpose. I don't mean that to sound harsh... however the optics of constantly waiting to fix major bugs (that are always on items and skills that make Cryptic money) until the next new shiny thing is ready for sale are poor.

    If that isn't 100% the intention perhaps you should pass it up the chain that more and more people are starting to see it that way... which doesn't help the long term cause.

    The Kemocite bug report came too close to S11 launch so it's not that they're trying to "sell more shinies", it's just that they have no time to fix it right now. Every time they're about to release a season, bug fixing takes a back seat for anywhere between a month and two depending of how big the update is. Don't worry, they'll get back to fixing bugs as soon as S11 launches. They're doing a fine job since the bug hunting group went live. Just look at all the system fixes in the latest Tribble patch.
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