Of course it could be that our nice friendly klingon had asked them 'excuse me have you seen my friends a Romulan with pointy ears, blonde hair and bowl hair cut and <insert character description here>?'. No need to be telepathic if you have been forewarned days in advance.
This is exactly what I think happened. Kagran was getting chummy with the Iconians for days. You don't think his companions would come up in conversation? You don't think the Iconians would inquire as to his, and his companion's species?
I think Kagran had his brain replaced with week old cabbage when he was still in the Klingon Academy, and even I don't think he's that stupid.
Of course it could be that our nice friendly klingon had asked them 'excuse me have you seen my friends a Romulan with pointy ears, blonde hair and bowl hair cut and <insert character description here>?'. No need to be telepathic if you have been forewarned days in advance.
This is exactly what I think happened. Kagran was getting chummy with the Iconians for days. You don't think his companions would come up in conversation? You don't think the Iconians would inquire as to his, and his companion's species?
I think Kagran had his brain replaced with week old cabbage when he was still in the Klingon Academy, and even I don't think he's that stupid.
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Of course it could be that our nice friendly klingon had asked them 'excuse me have you seen my friends a Romulan with pointy ears, blonde hair and bowl hair cut and <insert character description here>?'. No need to be telepathic if you have been forewarned days in advance.
This is exactly what I think happened. Kagran was getting chummy with the Iconians for days. You don't think his companions would come up in conversation? You don't think the Iconians would inquire as to his, and his companion's species?
I think Kagran had his brain replaced with week old cabbage when he was still in the Klingon Academy, and even I don't think he's that stupid.
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What hope did the Klingons have being cast as anything but genetic trash of the galaxy to begin with when the devs themselves are as dead set against them as the Fed snobs?
Plus, T'Ket didn't seem to think much of the other Iconians, let alone other races, I doubt she would have taken the time to talk to Kagran directly or hear about what Kagran was saying to the others.
She thinks her people have grown weak and too trusting towards lesser species, then a never-seen-before being of an unknown species shows up out of nowhere, filled with misaligned time-related particles, maybe starting asking questions, wandering around, asking if the Iconian people have seen his friends...
And you think she wouldn't have kept an eye on him?
Plus, T'Ket didn't seem to think much of the other Iconians, let alone other races, I doubt she would have taken the time to talk to Kagran directly or hear about what Kagran was saying to the others.
She thinks her people have grown weak and too trusting towards lesser species, then a never-seen-before being of an unknown species shows up out of nowhere, filled with misaligned time-related particles, maybe starting asking questions, wandering around, asking if the Iconian people have seen his friends...
And you think she wouldn't have kept an eye on him?
I'd actually be kind of surprised if she even knew Kagran was there, given that some of the more direct enemies of the Iconians also had people wandering around. I think she wouldn't have cared about the small talk, which is mostly what it would have been with regards to his missing friends. Besides, she wasn't the information specialist, she was the warrior. She cared about the ways of battle, not espionage.
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Of course it could be that our nice friendly klingon had asked them 'excuse me have you seen my friends a Romulan with pointy ears, blonde hair and bowl hair cut and <insert character description here>?'. No need to be telepathic if you have been forewarned days in advance.
This is exactly what I think happened. Kagran was getting chummy with the Iconians for days. You don't think his companions would come up in conversation? You don't think the Iconians would inquire as to his, and his companion's species?
I think Kagran had his brain replaced with week old cabbage when he was still in the Klingon Academy, and even I don't think he's that stupid.
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What hope did the Klingons have being cast as anything but genetic trash of the galaxy to begin with when the devs themselves are as dead set against them as the Fed snobs?
Like I've said, the only way to fix it as far as STO is concerned would be a rewrite all the way back to the Path to 2409--and even then it would have to be a deliberate dev choice to evolve the Klingons past the damage due by TNG and DS9. As it was, they just followed established canon where it led. The lion's share of the blame belongs on the actual show writers.
(That said, in theory, the devs could have actually had a feasible excuse to defy stereotype if they'd decided to take the fact that we know from ENT by the 26th century the Klingons join the Federation, and really run with it.)
But if I'd had my way we'd be dealing with the Undiscovered Country smart Klingons with a heavy dose of John M. Ford, and not what we got in TNG/DS9. The writers really messed up there and it had repercussions into STO.
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I would not really say he is dumb in letting it slip, but more that he could have found a different reason for being there than to open Diplomatic relations. Diplomatic discussions do tend to demand a certain amount of openness but maybe he had no choice if they were on alert pending an imminent attack. If they were on alert there would also have been concerns about the PC fleet being potentially targeted as the invading force. Really in this, people should not judge reasons so harshly as there is an untold backstory to everything so just pick one which suits your version of events.
Of course it could be that our nice friendly klingon had asked them 'excuse me have you seen my friends a Romulan with pointy ears, blonde hair and bowl hair cut and <insert character description here>?'. No need to be telepathic if you have been forewarned days in advance.
This is exactly what I think happened. Kagran was getting chummy with the Iconians for days. You don't think his companions would come up in conversation? You don't think the Iconians would inquire as to his, and his companion's species?
I think Kagran had his brain replaced with week old cabbage when he was still in the Klingon Academy, and even I don't think he's that stupid.
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What hope did the Klingons have being cast as anything but genetic trash of the galaxy to begin with when the devs themselves are as dead set against them as the Fed snobs?
Like I've said, the only way to fix it as far as STO is concerned would be a rewrite all the way back to the Path to 2409--and even then it would have to be a deliberate dev choice to evolve the Klingons past the damage due by TNG and DS9. As it was, they just followed established canon where it led. The lion's share of the blame belongs on the actual show writers.
(That said, in theory, the devs could have actually had a feasible excuse to defy stereotype if they'd decided to take the fact that we know from ENT by the 26th century the Klingons join the Federation, and really run with it.)
But if I'd had my way we'd be dealing with the Undiscovered Country smart Klingons with a heavy dose of John M. Ford, and not what we got in TNG/DS9. The writers really messed up there and it had repercussions into STO.
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I wouldn't mind a complete rewrite of the entire game itself. Including how Klingons are portrayed. Not all Klingons are Kagran. I wouldn't even mind the idea of the Klingons being part of the Federation, though, given your opinion, why would you want it to happen?
Pardon me for being sore about the amount of legitimized bigotry being displayed here. Not just by people like you but the devs as well? That aint right.
Of course it could be that our nice friendly klingon had asked them 'excuse me have you seen my friends a Romulan with pointy ears, blonde hair and bowl hair cut and <insert character description here>?'. No need to be telepathic if you have been forewarned days in advance.
This is exactly what I think happened. Kagran was getting chummy with the Iconians for days. You don't think his companions would come up in conversation? You don't think the Iconians would inquire as to his, and his companion's species?
I think Kagran had his brain replaced with week old cabbage when he was still in the Klingon Academy, and even I don't think he's that stupid.
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What hope did the Klingons have being cast as anything but genetic trash of the galaxy to begin with when the devs themselves are as dead set against them as the Fed snobs?
Like I've said, the only way to fix it as far as STO is concerned would be a rewrite all the way back to the Path to 2409--and even then it would have to be a deliberate dev choice to evolve the Klingons past the damage due by TNG and DS9. As it was, they just followed established canon where it led. The lion's share of the blame belongs on the actual show writers.
(That said, in theory, the devs could have actually had a feasible excuse to defy stereotype if they'd decided to take the fact that we know from ENT by the 26th century the Klingons join the Federation, and really run with it.)
But if I'd had my way we'd be dealing with the Undiscovered Country smart Klingons with a heavy dose of John M. Ford, and not what we got in TNG/DS9. The writers really messed up there and it had repercussions into STO.
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I wouldn't mind a complete rewrite of the entire game itself. Including how Klingons are portrayed. Not all Klingons are Kagran. I wouldn't even mind the idea of the Klingons being part of the Federation, though, given your opinion, why would you want it to happen?
Pardon me for being sore about the amount of legitimized bigotry being displayed here. Not just by people like you but the devs as well? That aint right.
Major reform would be entailed in the Klingons joining the Federation; they wouldn't be admitted as we saw them at the end of DS9 and definitely not as we see them in STO. It would require putting a Gorkon-like figure in charge (now there was a wise man), as opposed to a moron like J'mpok (Gowron part II). I could respect such a visionary.
(Oh and on the Fed side, it wouldn't be about "making them human." I'd actually tell the humans to defer to the Andorians, as warriors who successfully adapted to the Federation. That could actually be a storywriting opportunity.)
But let's please note there's a sharp difference between IRL bigotry and saying that a fictional race was written poorly and written stupid, which is what I contend happened with the Klingons. I can think poorly of a fictional race as portrayed.
IRL even a single person has more depth than the most intricate work of fiction and should be treated in a manner respectful of that.
Please do avoid statements suggesting my personal character is otherwise, or it undermines the ability to have a civil conversation.
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So the developers are saying Kagan let it slip. Man, is Kagan one dumb klingon...
He's only dumb if he meant to keep the mission viable. The mission was out of the question to him at that point. I don't think he was trying to protect the mission anymore.
Also, I THINK the Iconians would have a vague idea that he arrived in a ship so I'm not sure what the point of hiding ships was.
So the developers are saying Kagan let it slip. Man, is Kagan one dumb klingon...
He's only dumb if he meant to keep the mission viable. The mission was out of the question to him at that point. I don't think he was trying to protect the mission anymore.
He may have had second thoughts on committing genocide on innocents, but that doesn't mean even he would be dumb enough to blab sensitive info like that.
Also, I THINK the Iconians would have a vague idea that he arrived in a ship so I'm not sure what the point of hiding ships was.
To not get shot at by the maniacs who were going to attack Iconia I imagine.
He may have had second thoughts on committing genocide on innocents, but that doesn't mean even he would be dumb enough to blab sensitive info like that.
Why would that information be sensitive? It's just a name of one of the countless of races the Iconians have never heard before. None of the Iconians would have remembered it, unless some representative did something stupid like destroying their only chance of restoring the civilization and TRIBBLE them off entirely.
More over, the original plan was to kill every Iconian. Doesn't matter what they know, as long as it doesn't threaten that plan. And teaching the Iconians the name of a species they have never encountered before and now will only encounter once (and pretty much like a sentence encounters a full stop) won't do that.
And he might have done us a favor, too. Not the Romulans, of course - but it means the Iconians went out of their way to hurt the Romulans specifically, which means extra resources devoted towards them, not available to kill Klingons and Humans, and might have also caused to a bunch of mistakes - like tricking incompetent people like Hakeev, Taris and Sela into helping them, rather than actually dangerous people. Imagine they had targeted Earth and gotten Franklin Drake...
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Of course it could be that our nice friendly klingon had asked them 'excuse me have you seen my friends a Romulan with pointy ears, blonde hair and bowl hair cut and <insert character description here>?'. No need to be telepathic if you have been forewarned days in advance.
This is exactly what I think happened. Kagran was getting chummy with the Iconians for days. You don't think his companions would come up in conversation? You don't think the Iconians would inquire as to his, and his companion's species?
I think Kagran had his brain replaced with week old cabbage when he was still in the Klingon Academy, and even I don't think he's that stupid.
Is there an actual canon (ingame) reason why Kagran went from moron to genius after 'Butterfly'? Was it the reboot?
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Of course it could be that our nice friendly klingon had asked them 'excuse me have you seen my friends a Romulan with pointy ears, blonde hair and bowl hair cut and <insert character description here>?'. No need to be telepathic if you have been forewarned days in advance.
This is exactly what I think happened. Kagran was getting chummy with the Iconians for days. You don't think his companions would come up in conversation? You don't think the Iconians would inquire as to his, and his companion's species?
I think Kagran had his brain replaced with week old cabbage when he was still in the Klingon Academy, and even I don't think he's that stupid.
Is there an actual canon (ingame) reason why Kagran went from moron to genius after 'Butterfly'? Was it the reboot?
Got it.
It's all down to the Krenim guy... after Butterfly... he all of a sudden has a beard. Got it. Solved Season 11.
Of course it could be that our nice friendly klingon had asked them 'excuse me have you seen my friends a Romulan with pointy ears, blonde hair and bowl hair cut and <insert character description here>?'. No need to be telepathic if you have been forewarned days in advance.
This is exactly what I think happened. Kagran was getting chummy with the Iconians for days. You don't think his companions would come up in conversation? You don't think the Iconians would inquire as to his, and his companion's species?
I think Kagran had his brain replaced with week old cabbage when he was still in the Klingon Academy, and even I don't think he's that stupid.
Is there an actual canon (ingame) reason why Kagran went from moron to genius after 'Butterfly'? Was it the reboot?
Because someone released the episode before taco or geko could veto it
Of course it could be that our nice friendly klingon had asked them 'excuse me have you seen my friends a Romulan with pointy ears, blonde hair and bowl hair cut and <insert character description here>?'. No need to be telepathic if you have been forewarned days in advance.
This is exactly what I think happened. Kagran was getting chummy with the Iconians for days. You don't think his companions would come up in conversation? You don't think the Iconians would inquire as to his, and his companion's species?
I think Kagran had his brain replaced with week old cabbage when he was still in the Klingon Academy, and even I don't think he's that stupid.
Is there an actual canon (ingame) reason why Kagran went from moron to genius after 'Butterfly'? Was it the reboot?
Kagran has been secretly taken over by the galaxy's only benevolent Bluegill, Gary.
Of course it could be that our nice friendly klingon had asked them 'excuse me have you seen my friends a Romulan with pointy ears, blonde hair and bowl hair cut and <insert character description here>?'. No need to be telepathic if you have been forewarned days in advance.
This is exactly what I think happened. Kagran was getting chummy with the Iconians for days. You don't think his companions would come up in conversation? You don't think the Iconians would inquire as to his, and his companion's species?
I think Kagran had his brain replaced with week old cabbage when he was still in the Klingon Academy, and even I don't think he's that stupid.
Is there an actual canon (ingame) reason why Kagran went from moron to genius after 'Butterfly'? Was it the reboot?
Kagran has been secretly taken over by the galaxy's only benevolent Bluegill, Gary.
Headcanon accepted .
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Of course it could be that our nice friendly klingon had asked them 'excuse me have you seen my friends a Romulan with pointy ears, blonde hair and bowl hair cut and <insert character description here>?'. No need to be telepathic if you have been forewarned days in advance.
This is exactly what I think happened. Kagran was getting chummy with the Iconians for days. You don't think his companions would come up in conversation? You don't think the Iconians would inquire as to his, and his companion's species?
I think Kagran had his brain replaced with week old cabbage when he was still in the Klingon Academy, and even I don't think he's that stupid.
Is there an actual canon (ingame) reason why Kagran went from moron to genius after 'Butterfly'? Was it the reboot?
Kagran has been secretly taken over by the galaxy's only benevolent Bluegill, Gary.
I think it just had been a while for him and during the time he was on iconia he did some kirk style diplomacy with a sweet relatively young iconian. it would better explain how he went from haha kill em for glory to singing their praises. he did come from the same direction as the distraught iconian.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
I'm thinking he was taken over by another race of brain slugs... the Yeerks. Better call Ax and the Animorphs in on this one.
He was on Iconia for two weeks with no Kandrona rays. Explain that one away .
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
It seems likely, in retrospect, that Kagran was an undine who arranged to replace T'ket with mirror universe T'ket because there was a high probability that doing so would in the future produce a viable klingon-tribble hybrid species, the fur of which could be used to make extremely comfortable fluidic space houseshoes, the manufacture and sale of which would make undine-Kagran rich beyond the dreams of avarice. Don't underestimate petty greed as a universe-altering motive.
This is exactly what I think happened. Kagran was getting chummy with the Iconians for days. You don't think his companions would come up in conversation? You don't think the Iconians would inquire as to his, and his companion's species?
You don't even have to blame it on Kagran. The explanation could be much more trivial. When they scanned us after we beamed down, they also got a good look at our clothes. I'm sure somewhere on Sela's ceremonial gear there was a badge naming her "Empress of the Romulan Star Empire".
The fact is we do not play all what we suppose to do. That isn't necessary. Plot holes will arise when the story is told in a rambling way.
Example. Two people are talking to each other. They are in New York. One (Hubert) says to the other, I see Karl tomorrow in Washington. Next scene. Hubert talks to Karl. Ohohoh, what happened here, New York is suddenly Washington, one person has changed into Hubert. How can that happen? Nothing weird has happened. The new scene is the next day. Hubert has gone to Washington and meets Karl.
Now back to the mission. When the team arrives on Iconia, back 200,000 years, the Iconians are at war. Suddenly a group of (time) travellers arrive. We may assume the Iconians do a thorough investigation in who we are and what we are. I see not much of a plot hole here.
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What hope did the Klingons have being cast as anything but genetic trash of the galaxy to begin with when the devs themselves are as dead set against them as the Fed snobs?
And you think she wouldn't have kept an eye on him?
I'd actually be kind of surprised if she even knew Kagran was there, given that some of the more direct enemies of the Iconians also had people wandering around. I think she wouldn't have cared about the small talk, which is mostly what it would have been with regards to his missing friends. Besides, she wasn't the information specialist, she was the warrior. She cared about the ways of battle, not espionage.
The universe has a wonderful sense of humor. The trick is learning how to take a joke.
Like I've said, the only way to fix it as far as STO is concerned would be a rewrite all the way back to the Path to 2409--and even then it would have to be a deliberate dev choice to evolve the Klingons past the damage due by TNG and DS9. As it was, they just followed established canon where it led. The lion's share of the blame belongs on the actual show writers.
(That said, in theory, the devs could have actually had a feasible excuse to defy stereotype if they'd decided to take the fact that we know from ENT by the 26th century the Klingons join the Federation, and really run with it.)
But if I'd had my way we'd be dealing with the Undiscovered Country smart Klingons with a heavy dose of John M. Ford, and not what we got in TNG/DS9. The writers really messed up there and it had repercussions into STO.
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I wouldn't mind a complete rewrite of the entire game itself. Including how Klingons are portrayed. Not all Klingons are Kagran. I wouldn't even mind the idea of the Klingons being part of the Federation, though, given your opinion, why would you want it to happen?
Pardon me for being sore about the amount of legitimized bigotry being displayed here. Not just by people like you but the devs as well? That aint right.
Major reform would be entailed in the Klingons joining the Federation; they wouldn't be admitted as we saw them at the end of DS9 and definitely not as we see them in STO. It would require putting a Gorkon-like figure in charge (now there was a wise man), as opposed to a moron like J'mpok (Gowron part II). I could respect such a visionary.
(Oh and on the Fed side, it wouldn't be about "making them human." I'd actually tell the humans to defer to the Andorians, as warriors who successfully adapted to the Federation. That could actually be a storywriting opportunity.)
But let's please note there's a sharp difference between IRL bigotry and saying that a fictional race was written poorly and written stupid, which is what I contend happened with the Klingons. I can think poorly of a fictional race as portrayed.
IRL even a single person has more depth than the most intricate work of fiction and should be treated in a manner respectful of that.
Please do avoid statements suggesting my personal character is otherwise, or it undermines the ability to have a civil conversation.
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He's only dumb if he meant to keep the mission viable. The mission was out of the question to him at that point. I don't think he was trying to protect the mission anymore.
Also, I THINK the Iconians would have a vague idea that he arrived in a ship so I'm not sure what the point of hiding ships was.
He may have had second thoughts on committing genocide on innocents, but that doesn't mean even he would be dumb enough to blab sensitive info like that.
To not get shot at by the maniacs who were going to attack Iconia I imagine.
More over, the original plan was to kill every Iconian. Doesn't matter what they know, as long as it doesn't threaten that plan. And teaching the Iconians the name of a species they have never encountered before and now will only encounter once (and pretty much like a sentence encounters a full stop) won't do that.
And he might have done us a favor, too. Not the Romulans, of course - but it means the Iconians went out of their way to hurt the Romulans specifically, which means extra resources devoted towards them, not available to kill Klingons and Humans, and might have also caused to a bunch of mistakes - like tricking incompetent people like Hakeev, Taris and Sela into helping them, rather than actually dangerous people. Imagine they had targeted Earth and gotten Franklin Drake...
Is there an actual canon (ingame) reason why Kagran went from moron to genius after 'Butterfly'? Was it the reboot?
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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It's all down to the Krenim guy... after Butterfly... he all of a sudden has a beard. Got it. Solved Season 11.
Because someone released the episode before taco or geko could veto it
Kagran has been secretly taken over by the galaxy's only benevolent Bluegill, Gary.
Headcanon accepted
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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I think it just had been a while for him and during the time he was on iconia he did some kirk style diplomacy with a sweet relatively young iconian. it would better explain how he went from haha kill em for glory to singing their praises. he did come from the same direction as the distraught iconian.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
He was on Iconia for two weeks with no Kandrona rays. Explain that one away
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Example. Two people are talking to each other. They are in New York. One (Hubert) says to the other, I see Karl tomorrow in Washington. Next scene. Hubert talks to Karl. Ohohoh, what happened here, New York is suddenly Washington, one person has changed into Hubert. How can that happen? Nothing weird has happened. The new scene is the next day. Hubert has gone to Washington and meets Karl.
Now back to the mission. When the team arrives on Iconia, back 200,000 years, the Iconians are at war. Suddenly a group of (time) travellers arrive. We may assume the Iconians do a thorough investigation in who we are and what we are. I see not much of a plot hole here.