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T'ket is telepathic? (spoilers)
deaftravis05
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So, T'ket is about to leave and turns to Sela to say he's going to destroy the Romulans.
I'm sorry, but unless T'ket is telepathic, the writers made a boo hoo right there and then. They could had worded it "I know not your species, but when I do, I will destroy your world!" They knew the Others were from the future or another time at the least. However they didn't know which species the Others were. However since T'ket said that, why didn't they scan the Others and realise they were here to kill the Iconians
I'm sorry, but unless T'ket is telepathic, the writers made a boo hoo right there and then. They could had worded it "I know not your species, but when I do, I will destroy your world!" They knew the Others were from the future or another time at the least. However they didn't know which species the Others were. However since T'ket said that, why didn't they scan the Others and realise they were here to kill the Iconians
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Considering Kagran was dumb enough to pointlessly try a head-on assault on the Sphere, I think he would have been that stupid.
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I'm trying to decide if this is head canon or the UT substituting 'Romulan' for 'pointy-ears' at this point.
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As you say, all that she needed to state was that she'd find out who Sela is and take her revenge.
Mind you, this isn't even getting into the fact that a) Sela is half human and b) Sela looks human.
Which becomes doubly confusing if the player Other is Romulan, because now we have a situation where T'ket takes punitive vengeance on Romulus (but not Vulcan because reasons) but not Earth. And nobody bothers to remember that the one who helped them was Romulan too. Even though they remember and revere the other!
I can buy that they don't recognise the Other, sure. But if T'ket can identify and remember the species, then so can the rest of them.
Edit: Oh yeah and during the time Sela was captured by the Iconians, are they seriously telling me that T'ket, holder of a 200,000 year old grudge didn't go "HOLY **** IT'S YOU!!" and disembowel her on the spot?
Sela being the trigger for Hobus is a nice idea that doesn't work when even the most basic thought is applied to it. Writing 101 Cryptic, come on.
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That only works for T'ket. It doesn't work for L'miren or M'tara or anyone else, if they can casually identify species, which they can because T'ket does.
Of course as we, the player know they are romulans, so as to avoid confusion, the devs -had- to let them say 'Romulans'
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Except, she didn't. And you cannot infer that.
What you're doing is known as inventing the narrative, and I don't particularly care to see poor writing defended this way. Especially when the line was completely superfluous and, honestly, insulting to the audience. We can in fact work out that Sela triggered T'ket's species ire without being told.
I'm not quite sure you followed what I meant. My point is that seeing herself above "lesser" species, L'Miren in her casual racism might not have bothered to pay attention to how to tell one Romulan from another. "They all look the same" is something said by racists. I'm saying basically that racism made L'Miren too unobservant and stupid to notice that the Other was also a Romulan--A mind-dulling effect racism is known to have.
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...and besides, this is pretty sad nitpicking even by the average sto forum goers standards in regards to FE storylines - I merely offered a reasonable suggestion to explain the discrepancy
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That idea of casual racism leading to such blind stupidity is ridiculous, and automatically contradicted by T'ket identifying and remembering Sela's species forever.
All so true.
This whole arc screams teenage fan fiction. I do hope they keep to simpler things in the future, the art of good sci-fi is far beyond them.
She says "No! This isn't the mission!" then "You took everything from me!"
And no, it's not nitpicking, it's a basic fundamental failure in the plot.
No, it is not a contradiction but since I'm not up for arguing with a brick wall today, moving on to other comments...
Regarding T'Ket not killing Sela on the spot, I can see a 200000 year old being with a different sense of time, wanting to torture Sela over a prolonged period...similar, actually, to Nero's rationalization for making Spock live through the destruction of Vulcan. I can see T'Ket not wanting to kill Sela until she realizes the truth that she is responsible for Hobus. AND even keeping her alive until every last Romulan besides her is dead. If I were a screwed up mind like T'Ket, I'd want Sela to see it all the way to the end right down to the last dead Romulan child.
(To be clear I consider that evil and I do not endorse it in any way. I only say it as how T'Ket might think.)
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Concession accepted.
Sela's already lost everything she's going to lose at that point.
Or is T'ket really so damn blind that she doesn't see that the Republic hates Sela, and Sela doesn't care about them?
Nor did this apparently factor in, in giving Taris sanctuary even after her usefulness to the Iconians was expended.
1) when did the schism begin on vulcan ( im not talking about the sundering the schism that began the divisions of vulcans and romulans)
2) After the schism would not the romulans want to be known as romulans and not vulcans?
3) The iconians were aware of all the "lesser" races around them i would think they knew of the vulcans and the new romulan faction emerging from within would they not?
now i know continuity and a vid game is almost impossible but this could explain some things cause we all know the sundering which is when the romulans left vulcan was around 100-150K years prior to the events in the game.
Therefore my idea is that 200K years prior to events the schism that started dividing vulcans from romulans had begun also remember there was a long and bloody war that was fought that eventuallt led to surak and his total logic movement that directly led to the sundering.
i do think t'ket knew what a romulan was because of thier interactions or observation with ancient vulcan and i think at the time of the destruction of ancient iconia t'ket was talking about the romulan faction ON vulcan only to return to find romulans had become thier own vibrant race.
well its food for thought anyways and knowing trekkie fanboys they will tear this apart and act like im a thief at market when im only showing a possibility for t'kets knowledge of what a romulan might be and how.
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You can either argue my point, or concede, or just leave. Don't try to weasel out of it by calling me a "brick wall".
Yeah. I don't agree with you. That's the whole point of a debate.
As for the whole "how does T'Ket know Sela is Romulans", maybe Kagran accidentally let it slip during a conversation to find her and the player's whereabouts, like how time travellers can ask a question before realizing the thing they're talking about doesn't exist in this time period, because they're so used to use that thing/name in their own time period.
For example:
"-time traveller from 2015, in 1995: OK, I'm gonna google the info.
-Native of the 20th century: Gonna what?
-TT: Well, I'm gonna use Google to... Aw, yes, that's right! Nevermind, forget what I said."
And, in my opinion, they never gave Taris sanctuary. I have always thought Taris just stole their technology and hide it in her gauntlets to use gateways.
Or T'Ket was desperate for an excuse to invade the galaxy, so she "helped" the heroes discover the Andromeda sphere by playing Taris like a puppet a second time (after using her for the Hobus supernova).
This is exactly what I think happened. Kagran was getting chummy with the Iconians for days. You don't think his companions would come up in conversation? You don't think the Iconians would inquire as to his, and his companion's species?
I think Kagran would have hid specific details, or falsified them. He was still hiding his ship in the magnetic pole of the planet and had it cloaked to boot. He handwaved their time travel by claiming he had passed through a chroniton-charged nebula. And unless he specifically described Sela as an example of all Romulans, she's lacking in some of the characteristics of a full-blooded Romulan. Plus, T'Ket didn't seem to think much of the other Iconians, let alone other races, I doubt she would have taken the time to talk to Kagran directly or hear about what Kagran was saying to the others.
1) The schism that truly separated the Vulcans and Romulans was the Time of Awakening which took place around 4th Century Earth, not even 2k years in the past.
2) They probably weren't called Romulans until they settled Romulus, but it wouldn't really matter because of point 1.
3) The Iconians may have been aware of the Vulcan ancestors (they are thought to have settled Vulcan about 600k years in the past) but they wouldn't be aware of the Romulans yet, see point 1, so T'Ket would be more likely to confuse Sela with a Vulcan than a Romulan, ignoring her Human/Romulan split heritage.
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I think Kagran had his brain replaced with week old cabbage when he was still in the Klingon Academy, and even I don't think he's that stupid.
In fact, the original plan was too extensive. We didn't need to prevent ALL Iconians from escaping, just T'Ket. And she wouldn't have left anyway, if we hadn't said, "Hey, T'Ket, honey, live and get REVENGE!!!!!!!!! Muahahaha!"
That is absolute revisionist weaksuace excuse. Someone could come to me and say "Have you seen my friend John? He's a Flikemian" and it would still mean squat.
IT a weaksauce excuse my brutha, and you know it. Nice try though, and I appreciate your loyalty to your colelagues.
Sheeeeeeit, I doubt 200k years ago the Vulcans/Romulans even had a form of written language to even describe themselves by name...