BTW it seems like they misspoke when they called themselves energy beings. They are energiovores, it seems, sustaining themselves on energy as opposed to food, but M'Tara doesn't dissipate upon death, indicating she is still made of matter, even if something very different than before.
So theyre inspired by the Caeliar. Since thats how the Caeliar were, they were essentially immortal and were kept alive by the devices operating their cities. Shut off the devices, blow the city up or starve the Caeliar of those devices and they lost cohesion and died. No wonder the Iconians seemed so familiar during that mission.
M'Tara didn't totally dissipate like a dead Caeliar, and they were less insular (unfortunately). That said a comparison did cross my mind.
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Three pages of nonsense hardly related to what the OP was getting at. Yes, if you compare the Iconians in 'Midnight' to let's say M'Tara in 'Surface Tension' one would think that they have been visiting a Beverly Hills Plastic Surgeon. But everyone has to be oblivious to the original point of the thread to make generally unrelated or metaphysical comments about evolution, or firing squads, or blah blah blah.
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The Iconians were explicitly labeled in-game as "partially energy beings). This can even be further evidenced when T'Ket's severed arm literally dissolved into thin air once it was separated from her body, but when M'Tara burned out, she left a withered body.
The mission "Broken Circle" also actually revealed a critical weakness to an Iconian's power: namely, they seem to draw their phenomenal cosmic powers from their starship's Omega reactors. Without the relay's that you disabled working, they seemed limited to using the energy that partially comprises their body, which weakens them (and can ultimately kill them if they burn too much of it).
The Devidians, like the Krenim, are actually one of the few species the Iconians IMO would have had to think twice about tangling with, due to their powerful time travel capabilities. I would actually not be surprised if the Devidians were antagonistic towards the Iconians because they are one of the few who could tell the Iconians what to do with themselves and get away with it.
There's a nice Foundry 2-parter from the Iconian War Anthology that deals with that issue.
M'Tara didn't totally dissipate like a dead Caeliar, and they were less insular (unfortunately). That said a comparison did cross my mind.
So it wasn't just me. There are some striking parallels between Destiny and the Iconian War. Ancient Type II Civilization with floating cities, predestination paradoxes, "accidental" war, catastrophic damage to the quadrant, peaceful resolution at the last minute...
As for the topic:
What I would like to know is why an inredibly advanced race of energy beings cannot regrow limbs...
I mean, it's not just T'Ket. L'Mirren never recovered from having her legs crippled by Sela.
L'Mirren never recovered from having her legs crippled by Sela.
Well, the present Iconians can float, so legs are kinda pointless at this point. Plus, she could use her cooler-looking floating device as a weapon: hover over your foe, stop floating, let gravity and pointy tip do the rest.
As for the topic:
What I would like to know is why an inredibly advanced race of energy beings cannot regrow limbs...
I mean, it's not just T'Ket. L'Mirren never recovered from having her legs crippled by Sela.
Likely for the same absurd reason an advanced race of...anything can be so bad at reproduction: The plot demands it.
Likely for the same absurd reason an advanced race of...anything can be so bad at reproduction: The plot demands it.
It's a trope. Immortal races rarely reproduce. Reproduction is the mortals' way of "getting around" the mortality clause.
If you're immortal, you don't need kids.
It's a trope. Immortal races rarely reproduce. Reproduction is the mortals' way of "getting around" the mortality clause.
If you're immortal, you don't need kids.
Tell that to Zeus.
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Did anyone else notice that the ancient Iconians were rail-thin and androgynous, but the modern Iconians have womanly figures? Most noticeable is that T'ket had a masculine voice 200,000 years ago but her present form sounds like an angry woman. What gives?
Just pure...science fiction created by a bunch of horny dudes with no social life whatsover
Did anyone else notice that the ancient Iconians were rail-thin and androgynous, but the modern Iconians have womanly figures? Most noticeable is that T'ket had a masculine voice 200,000 years ago but her present form sounds like an angry woman. What gives?
Just pure...science fiction created by a bunch of horny dudes with no social life whatsover
Here's a true energy being depiction:
Your idea of a "true" energy being is Badly Photoshopped Dr. Manhattan, is it?
But seriously, why do so many people assume that the energy which makes up energy beings would be shaped like a primate, or whatever form they may have had as a physical being?
So in spite of what Cryptic tells us, this leads me to believe that Iconians and Heralds are actually the same species, and they are a matriarchal society. That is the only way their existence makes any sense.
Uhh... but Iconians were already evolved and mastered genetic engineering when Heralds were still animals, as from various dialogues in the mission (with L'Miren, M'Tara and even the one with a wounded Herald). So it can't be that way.
Not exactly what they dialogue says. It only implies they were more primitive. Which could still could mean and male female divide in the development.
^^I think you should update your sig and replace L'Mirren with Sela.
Not seen: the second part of the LCARS cup which displayed "thanks to Sela" a few seconds afterwards.
And the other unseen messages:
-"Sis is a b**ch"
-"#1 Iconian"
-"Sela's tears"
-"I World "
-"The Other's BFF"
They are characters in a game marketed to NERDS, TRIBBLE are a requirement. Even my wife made the comment when seeing them, "It must be a good episode, the enemy has TRIBBLE."
And since reproduction requires a male and female, that means either the Iconians are hermaphroditic, or the Heralds provide the male part of the DNA.
So in spite of what Cryptic tells us, this leads me to believe that Iconians and Heralds are actually the same species, and they are a matriarchal society. That is the only way their existence makes any sense.
Actually, reproduction doesn't require males. Embryos start off as female and I believe scientists have now cracked reproduction without men.
That said, who says they have two genders? The Andorians have five. Or that genders and sexes have to be aligned. T'Ket could be a transexual male-to-female. Being trans doesn't mean you can't be a warlord poised to bring the lagaxy to ruin.
The Iconians were intended to not have genders at all. When making modern, ethereal Iconians, we tried really hard to balance male and female features, to keep it androgynous, but obviously things ended up on the feminine side.
The Past Iconians were made afterward, and thus, got some extra refinement to their look.
I just figured they all looked female because sex sells and most programmers are guys.
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So theyre inspired by the Caeliar. Since thats how the Caeliar were, they were essentially immortal and were kept alive by the devices operating their cities. Shut off the devices, blow the city up or starve the Caeliar of those devices and they lost cohesion and died. No wonder the Iconians seemed so familiar during that mission.
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l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
The mission "Broken Circle" also actually revealed a critical weakness to an Iconian's power: namely, they seem to draw their phenomenal cosmic powers from their starship's Omega reactors. Without the relay's that you disabled working, they seemed limited to using the energy that partially comprises their body, which weakens them (and can ultimately kill them if they burn too much of it).
So it wasn't just me. There are some striking parallels between Destiny and the Iconian War. Ancient Type II Civilization with floating cities, predestination paradoxes, "accidental" war, catastrophic damage to the quadrant, peaceful resolution at the last minute...
As for the topic:
What I would like to know is why an inredibly advanced race of energy beings cannot regrow limbs...
I mean, it's not just T'Ket. L'Mirren never recovered from having her legs crippled by Sela.
Well, the present Iconians can float, so legs are kinda pointless at this point. Plus, she could use her cooler-looking floating device as a weapon: hover over your foe, stop floating, let gravity and pointy tip do the rest.
If you're immortal, you don't need kids.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Just pure...science fiction created by a bunch of horny dudes with no social life whatsover
Here's a true energy being depiction:
Your idea of a "true" energy being is Badly Photoshopped Dr. Manhattan, is it?
But seriously, why do so many people assume that the energy which makes up energy beings would be shaped like a primate, or whatever form they may have had as a physical being?
Not exactly what they dialogue says. It only implies they were more primitive. Which could still could mean and male female divide in the development.
And the other unseen messages:
-"Sis is a b**ch"
-"#1 Iconian"
-"Sela's tears"
-"I
-"The Other's BFF"
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Actually, reproduction doesn't require males. Embryos start off as female and I believe scientists have now cracked reproduction without men.
That said, who says they have two genders? The Andorians have five. Or that genders and sexes have to be aligned. T'Ket could be a transexual male-to-female. Being trans doesn't mean you can't be a warlord poised to bring the lagaxy to ruin.
Yeah people! 'Does' they?
I just figured they all looked female because sex sells and most programmers are guys.