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devs, i really missed "random" exploration zones.

clusters used to have those random missions for lost ships, investigate what cause it, ruins to explore for artifacts or virus, or local races revert to primal origins, discover any "distress" signals, or to harvest resources, and locate crash sites.

i am at the point of getting tired of most of newer epidoses with heavy combats and clicky-fest, my fingers are little sore from almost non-stop combat clickings.
that why i am in mood for relaxing and to explore strange worlds or find lost ships, and little bit of some clicking but not too excessive, maybe puzzle themes.

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  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    I missed it too. But when I thought about how often I actually played those missions, I realized that I easily went over a year without entering the exploration clusters on more than 1 occasion. It's true what they say. People want what they don't have.

    Hopefully Season 11 will include a revamped system that isn't as repetitive. Something similar with way more variation and a much larger scale would be nice. Rather than a small cluster with the same 2-3 repeating missions.
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  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,167 Arc User
    I actually played those missions pretty often. Not because they were high quality, but because they were pretty much the only randomized content in the game. It was also something simple and quick you could do to complete a daily. Both of those things combined made them kind of fun, for me. And here is the thing: if someone else didn't enjoy them, they didn't have to do them. No one forced anyone to play those missions. And yet, the devs decided to remove them for everyone. Yay.

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  • orion0029orion0029 Member Posts: 1,122 Bug Hunter
    I used to hit up those clusters almost daily, it was part of my 'daily routine' when I was saving up for my Vesta. Continued to hit those clusters after I got it because it felt more like 'Trek' than most of the game, it wasn't "True" exploration, but it was close and I enjoyed it.

    Since their removal I find myself more and more dissatisfied with the un-trekkiness of STO, sure it is obviously Star Trek, but it just doesn't feel quite right...
  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,167 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    orion0029 wrote: »
    I used to hit up those clusters almost daily, it was part of my 'daily routine' when I was saving up for my Vesta. Continued to hit those clusters after I got it because it felt more like 'Trek' than most of the game, it wasn't "True" exploration, but it was close and I enjoyed it.

    Since their removal I find myself more and more dissatisfied with the un-trekkiness of STO, sure it is obviously Star Trek, but it just doesn't feel quite right...

    "Exploration" was always a misnomer for the star clusters. You weren't *exploring* anything. They were really patrols, because you were patrolling known areas and fighting known enemies. And yet, like you, I enjoyed the randomness and simplicity of it. When it comes to video games, I support giving people the CHOICE to play content if they enjoy it, and to not play it if you don't. Cryptic took that choice away from us, which is a shame.

    The-Grand-Nagus
    Join Date: Sep 2008

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  • wylonuswylonus Member Posts: 471 Arc User
    too much combat and load of clicky make more stressfull, need something to play that is easy and relax while doing something else in the game.
    i know the exploring can be boring, but it help taking a break from que'ings and heavy combat epidoses or missions.
  • captainoblivouscaptainoblivous Member Posts: 2,284 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    I just miss the third Borg dynasty! :P
    But no really, I liked the old exploration system, warts and all. Yes, there were warts. Things like badly placed buildings allowing npcs the ability to go up into them from below so they can shoot at you while you can't even see them or your boffs might go up into them and get hopelessly stuck.
    Even so, I'd love to see that stuff come back in some form.
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  • mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    To paraphrase Tommy Callahan... I could take a dump in a box and mark it "exploration," but that's really what we had passing for "exploration" in this game.

    Glad it's gone. More interested in what Season 11 will have in store for exploration.
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  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,167 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    Might as well take this opportunity to advertise my foundry mission "Nagus Academy Daily". It is similar in style(defeat several enemy groups) to the old star cluster missions, consisting of 2 space maps and 2 ground maps, and actually lets you select what type of enemies you will fight. It takes about 20 mins to complete and gives you some dilithium =P

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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    Eh... while the old Exploration Clusters had promise, the execution was lacking big time. Buggy as hell and even repetitive at times. I swear I once went in there and got several "defeat 5 enemy groups" in a row... in space. NO ground at all. Also... as someone already mentioned, NPCs falling under the map and making it impossible to finish the mission since you can't shoot back. While I did enjoy the bit of randomness it provided... the cons outweighted the pros in this instance.

    And then there was the Third Borg Dynasty. WTF? Who wrote that in when the Borg never had a Dynasty! Especially if it was in like Delta Volanis which was practically RIGHT NEXT DOOR to Sol System.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    what I miss most are the ground exterior maps. some of those were GREAT! the associated missions bored me, but the scenery was awesome.
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  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,167 Arc User
    what I miss most are the ground exterior maps. some of those were GREAT! the associated missions bored me, but the scenery was awesome.

    Yeah, that was cool. And to the folks saying the missions sucked, I get it. But like I said earlier, no one forced you to play them if you didn't like them. I have no problem with someone not liking something I like. But I do have a problem with someone saying I shouldn't be able to do something just because they don't like it.

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  • foxrockssocksfoxrockssocks Member Posts: 2,482 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Eh... while the old Exploration Clusters had promise, the execution was lacking big time. Buggy as hell and even repetitive at times. I swear I once went in there and got several "defeat 5 enemy groups" in a row... in space. NO ground at all. Also... as someone already mentioned, NPCs falling under the map and making it impossible to finish the mission since you can't shoot back. While I did enjoy the bit of randomness it provided... the cons outweighted the pros in this instance.

    And then there was the Third Borg Dynasty. WTF? Who wrote that in when the Borg never had a Dynasty! Especially if it was in like Delta Volanis which was practically RIGHT NEXT DOOR to Sol System.


    Borg history is completely unexplained in canon. We really don't know anything about them. Who is to say they weren't different in the past and have since changed?
  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    I actually played those missions pretty often. Not because they were high quality, but because they were pretty much the only randomized content in the game. It was also something simple and quick you could do to complete a daily. Both of those things combined made them kind of fun, for me. And here is the thing: if someone else didn't enjoy them, they didn't have to do them. No one forced anyone to play those missions. And yet, the devs decided to remove them for everyone. Yay.

    This might as well have been said by me, word by word. My sentiments exactly.
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  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    I also miss these, and yes, the ground scenery was incredible. There were also unique-to-Cryptic species in there which had a lot of potential. And getting to smite Starfleet personnel for attempting to extort native species was exquisite (Fed-only players have no idea why the KDF hates the Federation so much, lol, but that's because they never visited the T'Ong Nebula and did those missions; there were a few like that in other clusters, but the T'Ong was full of Federation-being-naughty). That said, yes, as noted, there were many bugs and the potential was not sufficiently developed. However, rather than doing away with them entirely, the Devs could have replaced them with a less buggy system.
  • wylonuswylonus Member Posts: 471 Arc User
    new "exploration" format than the original clusters zone, should be less buggy, just mostly shipwreaks, tunnels, smoother land zones, abandoned mines/labs, or research that went wrong.

    less rough terrain mean better pathings for BoFFs, yes, i have encounter some bad rough landscapes that break or fell thru also.
  • captainoblivouscaptainoblivous Member Posts: 2,284 Arc User
    wylonus wrote: »
    new "exploration" format than the original clusters zone, should be less buggy, just mostly shipwreaks, tunnels, smoother land zones, abandoned mines/labs, or research that went wrong.

    less rough terrain mean better pathings for BoFFs, yes, i have encounter some bad rough landscapes that break or fell thru also.

    Nah, it'll probably be "EXPLORE this EXCITING rep system!" and/or "CHART this UNKNOWN lockbox!"
    I.e, the same as before, but without any details being released before.
    I need a beer.

  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    Borg history is completely unexplained in canon. We really don't know anything about them. Who is to say they weren't different in the past and have since changed?

    Yea... but there's a difference between not knowing about their past and knowing an artifact is from the Thrid Dynasty, which implies knowing they even had Dynasties.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,167 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Borg history is completely unexplained in canon. We really don't know anything about them. Who is to say they weren't different in the past and have since changed?

    Yea... but there's a difference between not knowing about their past and knowing an artifact is from the Thrid Dynasty, which implies knowing they even had Dynasties.

    Why wouldn't they know such a fact? I mean, that's just data, and they are part machine/computer. So why wouldn't they have a full history of their origins?

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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    For one thing... they orginated from the Delta Quadrant, not the Alpha or Beta Quadrants. Second... Borg don't make artifacts. Unless it has a function, its irrelevent. Nothing that has been found indicates otherwise, and even if there was... would it be identifiable as Borg? Third... Don't think anyone has been able to identify the origins of the Borg, even any of the liberated Borg that are among the major superpowers. Heck... even Seven of Nine doesn't seem to know squat about where the Borg came from.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,167 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    rattler2 wrote: »
    For one thing... they orginated from the Delta Quadrant, not the Alpha or Beta Quadrants. Second... Borg don't make artifacts. Unless it has a function, its irrelevent.

    You are talking about the "modern day" Borg, in the hive-mind collective form. Any artifact would be from their ancient history, prior to the creation of the hive mind collective. While it hasn't been put down in canon, some ancient species originally became the Borg, and that ancient species may have had a Third Dynasty and various artifacts. Now, why would the modern day Borg collective be interested in such an artifact? I have no idea. I never said it was good writing or made sense, I was only answering your question of how the Borg could hypothetically know about a Third Dynasty.

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  • captainoblivouscaptainoblivous Member Posts: 2,284 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    For one thing... they orginated from the Delta Quadrant, not the Alpha or Beta Quadrants. Second... Borg don't make artifacts. Unless it has a function, its irrelevent.

    You are talking about the "modern day" Borg, in the hive-mind collective form. Any artifact would be from their ancient history, prior to the creation of the hive mind collective. While it hasn't been put down in canon, some ancient species originally became the Borg, and that ancient species may have had a Third Dynasty and various artifacts. Now, why would the modern day Borg collective be interested in such an artifact? I have no idea. I never said it was good writing or made sense, I was only answering your question of how the Borg could hypothetically know about a Third Dynasty.

    That's assuming that the "third borg dynasty" thing is real. Perhaps the borg that say this are crazy, damaged or otherwise compromised that makes them think of the tbd?
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  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,167 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    For one thing... they orginated from the Delta Quadrant, not the Alpha or Beta Quadrants. Second... Borg don't make artifacts. Unless it has a function, its irrelevent.

    You are talking about the "modern day" Borg, in the hive-mind collective form. Any artifact would be from their ancient history, prior to the creation of the hive mind collective. While it hasn't been put down in canon, some ancient species originally became the Borg, and that ancient species may have had a Third Dynasty and various artifacts. Now, why would the modern day Borg collective be interested in such an artifact? I have no idea. I never said it was good writing or made sense, I was only answering your question of how the Borg could hypothetically know about a Third Dynasty.

    That's assuming that the "third borg dynasty" thing is real. Perhaps the borg that say this are crazy, damaged or otherwise compromised that makes them think of the tbd?

    In reality, it is a "bug"/mistake. Those missions were made to have interchangeable enemies. One time you have Klingon, another time you have Romulan, etc. The dialog about the "third dynasty" can make sense for most species(if you stretch if really hard), but always stood out of the Borg, and became a running joke about the star clusters.

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    Join Date: Sep 2008

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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    In reality, it is a "bug"/mistake. Those missions were made to have interchangeable enemies. One time you have Klingon, another time you have Romulan, etc. The dialog about the "third dynasty" can make sense for most species(if you stretch if really hard), but always stood out of the Borg, and became a running joke about the star clusters.

    I think its STILL the running joke.
    ^^
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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