I've been reading a lot of books that take place in the 2370's and 2380's and it doesn't seem like the game matches up. For example the existence of the Typhon Pact or the fact that in the Mirror Universe they've founded the Galactic Commonwealth and done away with the Terran Empire completely. I mean, a lot of the game was written before the books but you'd think they could retcon some of the stuff.
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I disagree about it sucking, because following the story of the novels would tie the hands of the devs and kill their freedom to tell their own original stories. That is what would truly suck.
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It makes sense...considering from what little snippets I've seen about some of the books...how wild and crazy they are...I mean one of the verse completely ignores canon...the one with the new DS9...and Sisko is around instead of being taken by the Prophets?
Plus the Typhon Pact always sounded farfetched to me...I could never see some of those races being aligned...especially the Tholians with anyone.
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The series and movies (except the bad robot trek) are canon for me. While I was sceptical back in 2010 if a future setting of the prime universe would be a cool place to set this mmopg all doubts have been eliminated after 3,5 years playing sto.
For me this game is canon and it quiet good at that. Aside from financial aspects as well as recent quality issues cryptic did a pretty good job to deliver Star Trek. I accept it totally as only legitimate continuation of the prime universe…
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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Anything else is outside that.
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He's canon in all the various Trek's in some way or another.
In my head-canon, the Animated Trek is just Season Four of TOS.
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STOis written as a branch of the prime universe, as are novels.... but Novels and STO are on separate branches. In fact, a lot of Novels are on separate branches. from even each other, story wise from the prime universe.
My impression both are expected to roughly follow from the alternate futures shown on DS9, Voyager, and TNG. Both have to acknowledge the destruction of Romulus although the books get to avoid that by being set several years before it happens for the most part.
Both CAN get away with changes but only changes they agree to have a built in reset button for. Meaning the novels killed on Janeway and eliminated the Borg ONLY on the condition they could come back. And they already brought Janeway back. Likewise, I'm sure the destruction of DS9, building of a new DS9, and return of Sisko were done contingent on the idea that novel universe architects are willing to to restore the original DS9 and write out Sisko on request.
Technically, there's nothing about the Novelverse and STO that couldn't be fused together but it would involve some rapid changes, including destroyed planets getting restored. But it could happen.
There are also the comics, which generally straddle the fence and have shifted to focus more on the J.J.verse. The only major interactions they've had with the Prime universe are:
- They showed us Spock and Nero's departure as well as a resurrected Data (which the novels and STO agree on).
- They've had a few minor incidents post-Nemesis.
- They showed us Ambassador Picard mourning Spock in a Q story that had a Picard/Q conversation that led Q to mess with the J.J.-verse.
- Brannon Braga wrote a miniseries set post-Nemesis that doesn't seem to tie in much with anything that had Andoria getting destroyed, the Borg seemingly defeated, and Seven of Nine dying. Granted, again, Andoria could always get restored, Seven of Nine could have come back a month later, and the Borg could always come back.
Yep. Neither STO nor the novels are canon. If a future TV series or movie is set in the prime timeline, and uses any of the story elements from STO or a novel, then those specific story elements will be canon. But even if specific story elements are used, that does not mean STO as a whole or the novels as a whole are canon, only the specific details mentioned on screen.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
The books suck more than STO TBH...
I despised that comic more than any other EU work ever. Puerile insanity.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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I thought the dialogue was some of the best at capturing the character voices I'd seen and that makes sense because Braga created or helped develop many of those voices.
The plot wasn't what I would have done and the execution of the plot wasn't what I would have done.
I like Braga's dialogue. I like the very broad strokes of his ideas. I think he often works best when working with other writers who ask him to dial it back or who question him on how the specifics of those ideas work.
I liked the idea in that of Data coming back from a future where he was resurrected and interacting with people who thought he was dead. I've always wanted to play with that idea myself because when you have a time portal to the future open up, you want a surprise to pop out and the best surprise is a future version of a person who is dead in the present. It was not as effective as it could have been as surprises go, seeing as how we'd seen Data come back across media at that point.
For me, the scenario was completely insane. The characters were the most authentic for me that they'd felt in years. Little things. The Vash subplot, I think? But the scenario was insane.
I think had it been a film, Picard as the Borg King would have been an acting triumph for Stewart but it's a nutty concept that doesn't have quite the same power behind it without an actor working to make sense out of it all.
I might expand on why later, but I'll just say now, my problem with it was the Borg, or rather everything the Borg have become, especially after VOY (ENT not withstanding, that was a good episode). This comic encapsulates all that decay and triples it.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Like the books STO is not canon, so its just another "fanfic"-level of story.
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