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Really again with the nerfs???

So let me get this straight, Because people are crying AGAIN you are gonna nerf the consoles im using for my buiild thus making it weaker? What is the point in having a build if you just keep messing with it?! Im tired of this BS and hope you know this is why you never get any money from me.

You have already nerfed the consoles I dont see any reason to nerf them.

Remember only LOSERS cry for a nerf, You never hear winners complain about anything.

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  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    cncshade wrote: »
    So let me get this straight, Because people are crying AGAIN you are gonna nerf the consoles im using for my buiild thus making it weaker? What is the point in having a build if you just keep messing with it?! Im tired of this BS and hope you know this is why you never get any money from me.

    You have already nerfed the consoles I dont see any reason to nerf them.

    Remember only LOSERS cry for a nerf, You never hear winners complain about anything.

    To which consoles are you referring? Surely you don't mean the 300 Billion DPS hilarity that we just went through.
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  • mainamaina Member Posts: 430 Arc User
    cncshade wrote: »
    So let me get this straight, Because people are crying AGAIN you are gonna nerf the consoles im using for my buiild thus making it weaker? What is the point in having a build if you just keep messing with it?! Im tired of this BS and hope you know this is why you never get any money from me.

    You have already nerfed the consoles I dont see any reason to nerf them.

    Remember only LOSERS cry for a nerf, You never hear winners complain about anything.

    Is this a post about a Tribble patch, that has had several threads created about how screwed up the original power is?

    Maybe you want to add a good amount of data and arguments about how this is a nerf (what the hell you are talking about) and other things?
    dark4blood wrote: »
    ^They know how to nerf better than they know how to patch, oh well I guess the trend continues.

    Maybe since you are a genius you can explain how, WHAT, and why, this is a nerf? You could just ride the "look I'm cool, I complained about the game" thing, but neither of you have a case, a argument, or even a frame of reference (even though I know what you are complaining about).

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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,919 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    The issue is the fact they didn't fix anything, they just broke it for everyone. No doubt the consoles needed a fix, but they didn't fix it, they just broke it universally.

    Welcome to STO, the home of the laziest Dev team on earth. My best advice is get used to it, they don't care about anything other then releasing T6 re-hash ships.

    Fixing bugs doesn't generate revenue, that simple.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    I honestly don't know what the OP is talking about, as he never specifies. He just goes off about how his build is now weaker and expects us to know what's going on.

    If its the consoles that enabled oneshotting the gate in Infected even with both transformers alive... that was so broken it wasn't even funny and HAD to be fixed.
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  • tempus64tempus64 Member Posts: 806 Arc User
    cncshade wrote: »
    Remember only LOSERS cry for a nerf, You never hear winners complain about anything.
    If you consider yourself a "winner", then you should have no problem with the change. You should be so knowledgeable and skilled that you can adapt and still be a winner without whining about inevitable change. Or perhaps you just copy and paste what others do and pat yourself on the back for being such a winner.
  • SanoSano Member Posts: 101 Arc User
    I'm guessing its about embassy
    Consoles loosing crit ability?

    At this point getting rid of some powercreep is actually a good thing and they dont cost much to upgrade so no big loss there.
  • seriousdaveseriousdave Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    Sano wrote: »
    I'm guessing its about embassy
    Consoles loosing crit ability?

    At this point getting rid of some powercreep is actually a good thing and they dont cost much to upgrade so no big loss there.

    And they also lose about 25% base damage additionally to losing their ability to crit at all (which was the bug to begin with).

    The "fix" should have been to enable them to crit with anything (beams, cannons, CRF,CSV, BO, BFAW) and an adjustment of their crit damage but as seaofsorrows said, that's not the kind of devs we have.
  • risingwolfshadowrisingwolfshadow Member Posts: 619 Arc User
    The consoles weren't working as intended before and was providing people with a stupidly high advantage.
    I don't use them and I manage fine in STFs.
    All the anti nerf lot will just have to learn how to fight without them.
  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,919 Arc User
    The "fix" should have been to enable them to crit with anything (beams, cannons, CRF,CSV, BO, BFAW) and an adjustment of their crit damage but as seaofsorrows said, that's not the kind of devs we have.

    Exactly.

    Or, if they were unable to fix it for other weapons, then remove the crit for all and give the consoles a flat damage boost to compensate.

    Instead, they broke it for beams, and hit everyone with a nerf. Our Devs are completely and totally clueless.
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  • lsegnlsegn Member Posts: 594 Arc User
    As already stated by the Devs it will be an enormous investment of time and resources to redesign the powers and they simply can't do it right now. They WILL attend to it in the future and this is a stop gap measure. Maybe you TRIBBLE can go take a few courses in Computer Porgramming and then come back and complain about how lazy and stupid our DEV's are.

    I hate people like this with an indescribable passion, you idiots have no idea what your asking them to do but you expect it done overnight.

    Goddam you all.
  • risingwolfshadowrisingwolfshadow Member Posts: 619 Arc User
    Why is everyone so worried about fighting without the ludicrous advantage of plasma consoles? It's not like PvE is difficult. It's a laughing stock! There's no challenge at all. I don't struggle to do decent damage in mk12 gear and I know how to stay alive without having to one shot everything so it doesn't hit me first.
    What is the problem!?
    You're making yourselves sound like crybabies because you don't want to have to do anything to complete STFs. A 5 man team with 10k Dps can complete advanced STFs. Are you that bad at this game that you think you can't win without 100k??
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    Let's see. The Plasma Explosion Consoles let you do more damage than your shipboard weapons.

    On top of it, ONLY Beam Fire At Will benefits with critting with it. Everything else has 0% chance to crit with Plasma Explosions.

    ... And this was fine for you guys? :D
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  • mosul33mosul33 Member Posts: 836 Arc User
    cncshade wrote: »
    So let me get this straight, Because people are crying AGAIN you are gonna nerf the consoles im using for my buiild thus making it weaker? What is the point in having a build if you just keep messing with it?! Im tired of this BS and hope you know this is why you never get any money from me.

    You have already nerfed the consoles I dont see any reason to nerf them.

    Remember only LOSERS cry for a nerf, You never hear winners complain about anything.

    But... you just complained... right here...

    So, by your OWN standards, you are a LOSER.

    LOL
  • risingwolfshadowrisingwolfshadow Member Posts: 619 Arc User
    cncshade wrote: »
    So let me get this straight, Because people are crying AGAIN you are gonna nerf the consoles im using for my buiild thus making it weaker? What is the point in having a build if you just keep messing with it?! Im tired of this BS and hope you know this is why you never get any money from me.

    You have already nerfed the consoles I dont see any reason to nerf them.

    Remember only LOSERS cry for a nerf, You never hear winners complain about anything.

    To be fair, you're a LOSER if you're so afraid of fighting without your plasma dopping.
  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,919 Arc User
    lsegn wrote: »

    I hate people like this with an indescribable passion, you idiots have no idea what your asking them to do but you expect it done overnight.

    Goddam you all.

    Aww.. is the little kiss TRIBBLE getting mad? You poor little baby.
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  • darkbladejkdarkbladejk Member Posts: 3,883 Community Moderator
    cncshade wrote: »
    So let me get this straight, Because people are crying AGAIN you are gonna nerf the consoles im using for my buiild thus making it weaker? What is the point in having a build if you just keep messing with it?! Im tired of this BS and hope you know this is why you never get any money from me.

    You have already nerfed the consoles I dont see any reason to nerf them.

    Remember only LOSERS cry for a nerf, You never hear winners complain about anything.

    What you fail to understand, either because at best you legitimately don't understand it, or at the worst because you choose not to, is that the consoles were already in a broken state. I'll explain it from a programming perspective so you can get it. Most of my programming experience extends to small time modding but only difference between that and game design is the scale of which they're both done, especially if you're creating new content. With that said lets get started.

    First and foremost when a level or encounter is designed it's designed with a purpose in mind no matter how minor and its intended to be played a certain way with a certain amount of damage in mind. In a game like STO they don't want any particular captain type or weapon type to have an unfair advantage over the others ideally. In other words they want things to be as balanced as can be. lets say for example you're in a space mission and there are 3 packs of ships between you and the objective. If an engineer and tac captain are able to get through them stupid easy but science captains get kicked in the "fleet modules" then they're going to look at buffing science captains. If engineers and tacs have some type of unfair advantage then they may be nerfed. That's just the nature of the beast.

    When there are game breaking things in their game Cryptic or any other mmo will call attention to it. It was never intended for the plasma consoles to deal just as much damage or more than your regular 8 ship weapons combined. From the start you should have known that it wasn't intended for them to deal that much damage. Yet you choose to invest resources into building up those consoles when you knew at some point they would most likely get nerfed. it's sad when there are new guys to the game that I know who recognized those consoles were broke when he saw them in action.

    Now you like many others are complaining because it's going to make plasma doping alot harder or hopefully better yet, outright impossible. When one thing does just as much damage as all of your 8 ship weapons combined then there needs to be attention called to it. A dev for another game summed it up best awhile back, "in games it's fun to be a one man army wiping out your enemies and just being an unstoppable juggernaut. While that can be fun it's not fun to be on the receiving end of that one man army." The plasma console boosted damage to levels it was never intended to do so and essentially gave you a second set of weapons. It was never intended to be that strong and Cryptic even made this clear with their nerf the first time. Yes it sucks when your favorite toy is nerfed but sometimes it's going to happen. You don't have to like it and are free to voice your opposition to it, but just keep it in perspective. Sometimes like it or not, you will get hit with the nerf bat. If not, then you've not played mmos long enough.

    Now all I see is someone complaining that their favorite toy isn't going to be as good and complaining that they can't just steam roll stuff and people with little to no effort.
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  • gradiigradii Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    To be fair, you're a LOSER if you're so afraid of fighting without your plasma dopping.

    I'm just wondering which rep console would best go in the slot which is going to be freed up.

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  • e30erneste30ernest Member Posts: 1,794 Arc User
    gradii wrote: »
    To be fair, you're a LOSER if you're so afraid of fighting without your plasma dopping.

    I'm just wondering which rep console would best go in the slot which is going to be freed up.

    TBH, the embassy consoles are still going to be well worth slotting. It'll still deal bonus damage, it'll still boost your chosen science stat and it will still boost your plasma exotic damage (if you use these). On top of that, it'll give you either -Th or +Th to either let you avoid damage, or soak it for the team. IMO the consoles are still great.
  • SanoSano Member Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    lsegn wrote: »
    As already stated by the Devs it will be an enormous investment of time and resources to redesign the powers and they simply can't do it right now. They WILL attend to it in the future and this is a stop gap measure. Maybe you TRIBBLE can go take a few courses in Computer Porgramming and then come back and complain about how lazy and stupid our DEV's are.

    I hate people like this with an indescribable passion, you idiots have no idea what your asking them to do but you expect it done overnight.

    Goddam you all.

    I hate ppl expecting others to be as clueless as they are themselves.

    I know full well what this entails and "its too complicated now" is nothing but a lazy excuse.

    I mean of course they dont have time because their schedule is overflowing with useless stuff noone cares about like fixing some stuff about holo letha when the game is lagging for over 8 month now.

    Also just nerfing everything someone complained about to total uselessness every single time is just a well visible sign for design-incompetence.

    How about you build a shrine for them where you can do your dev-prayers every morning and keep the forums and therefore us free of all the bs you posted.
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  • risian4risian4 Member Posts: 3,711 Arc User
    cncshade wrote: »
    Remember only LOSERS cry for a nerf, You never hear winners complain about anything.

    Only losers need OP stuff to perform in a mission and therefore only losers will defend broken stuff. Besides... did you even notice you're complaining yourself?
  • midniteshadow7midniteshadow7 Member Posts: 787 Arc User
    Too many people saying others are losers on this thread which a duplicate thread any way. Closing!

    Please use this thread: http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums#/discussion/1197379/no-plasma-explosions-arent-op-edit-cryptic-has-now-fixed-them-by-breaking-them-further-ugh/p1

    /Closed
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