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Overwhelming Force, Coordinated Assault, Superweapon Ingenuity synergy?

Is OW limited to player Overload?
Is SWI Overload able to trigger CA?

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  • tom61stotom61sto Member Posts: 3,673 Arc User
    Overwhelming Force is triggered by [Over] procs, so it's not limited just player BOff usage, but was not triggered by pet overloads last I checked (at least on the Swammers, not gotten the new Trait). I doubt that the second overload will trigger an overload on your pets.
  • reynoldsxdreynoldsxd Member Posts: 977 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    superweapon ingenuity only triggers once every 30 sceonds on palyer activated BO's.
    Coordinated Assault does not proc from SWI.

    Coordinated Assault also does not proc Overwhelming, nor does it trigger on [OVER] procs.
    CA does trigger on a player's BO activation.

    Overwhelming procs on Player BO, SWI BO and [OVER] BO.
    The Particle charge does not deliver doff effects that are activated via particle charge. However, they do trigger the shield bypass proc.


    For fun abuse:

    Overwhelming's photonic shockwave triggers everytime your torpedo salvo hits.
    Concentrated firepower (command boff skill) lets you chain rattle High yields.

    Best of all: Overwhelming's effect triggers on every target hit by that high yield. So if you had a torpedo that dealt large area damage... like. .say.... the undine rep photon or the neutronic qantum...
    you could spam photonic shockwaves like a cackling madman. Since CE does reset cooldowns... having your neutronic or undine torp just spam HY... is fun to watch.

    For pure single target bombardment... try 7 OVER Beam arrays and a wide angle torpedo combined with concentrate firepower...
  • orion0029orion0029 Member Posts: 1,122 Bug Hunter
    edited August 2015
    I actually have a couple of questions about Overwhelming Force:

    Can the Photonic Shockwaves/Charged Particle Bursts crit under the Particle Manupulator R&D trait? (I doubt the Charged Particle Bursts would since it's a drain not damage... figured I'd ask anyway)

    Will Inhibiting Secondary Deflectors proc off of Overwhelming Force's Photonic Shockwaves?

    Edit: Will Deteriorating Secondary Deflectors proc off of Overwhelming Force's Charged Particle Bursts?
  • reynoldsxdreynoldsxd Member Posts: 977 Arc User
    so far, the particle bursts of OF do not seem to trigger any other abilities or effects.
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    Overwhelming Force had serious issues when it released with the Matha Raptor. The "Charged Particle Burst" effect from Beam Overload use did not occur. The visuals were there. But the shield damage didn't occur. Cryptic tried to fix this back in January or February but it didn't work. I haven't seen any attempts by them to fix it since.

    Also, the "Photonic Shockwave" effect from High Yield Torpedo use had an interesting effect that's the same as the PSW ability. It knocks targets around in every compass direction for several kilometers. That is caused by Graviton Generator Skill. The higher the bigger a knockback effect. Not sure if Aux Power plays a role. But Particle Generator determines damage. Anyways, people really need to know the finer points of PSW/Overwhelming Force + HYT. Having NPCs bunched up by my Grav Well for easier killing, only for them to be scattered 5-8km away in every direction is really damn annoying.

    Also, last time I used Overwhelming Force, it also is applied to your hangar units. So hangar units that use HYT will do the same effect as a player was doing it. "Fixed."

    Lastly from my PSW experimenting days years ago, there is the Duty Officer for PSW aftershocks.
    http://sto.gamepedia.com/Specialization:_Photonic_Studies_Scientist

    But all this talk about PSW however runs into the core issue. It's Kinetic Damage and easily resisted by shields and this must be taken into account before dreams of PSW Death can become reality.
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  • tom61stotom61sto Member Posts: 3,673 Arc User
    Hangar units are fixed to no longer trigger either proc this patch it seems. Overwhelming Force Beam Overload was fixed a few patches ago when I was playing my Mat'ha... but buying it for my Galaxy just recently it doesn't seem to have the effect working, or it scales much more aggressively with Flow Caps than I would've thought (Mat'ha is skill'd for Plasmonic Leech, whereas my Galaxy is not).
  • orion0029orion0029 Member Posts: 1,122 Bug Hunter
    tom61sto wrote: »
    Hangar units are fixed to no longer trigger either proc this patch it seems. Overwhelming Force Beam Overload was fixed a few patches ago when I was playing my Mat'ha... but buying it for my Galaxy just recently it doesn't seem to have the effect working, or it scales much more aggressively with Flow Caps than I would've thought (Mat'ha is skill'd for Plasmonic Leech, whereas my Galaxy is not).

    Yup, can confirm this. My Elite scorps no longer send enemies flying with their HY torpedoes, that's a real shame.

    Having Overwhelming Force work with my hangar pets was awesome, and actually made me enjoy playing a carrier captain... while it lasted. :(
  • orion0029orion0029 Member Posts: 1,122 Bug Hunter
    Ok, got a few more questions...

    Can the Photonic Shockwaves and Charged Particle Bursts created from Overwhelming force make use of Doffs?
    Like:
    Darrak - Gravimetric Scientist [Space] Improved Repel for Photonic Shockwave, but removes Disable component.
    Various names - Photonic Studies Scientist [Space] Chance to trigger a Photonic Aftershock.
    Various names - Research Lab Scientist [Space] Chance to Placate when using Charged Particle Burst.
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    orion0029 wrote: »
    Ok, got a few more questions...

    Can the Photonic Shockwaves and Charged Particle Bursts created from Overwhelming force make use of Doffs?
    Like:
    Darrak - Gravimetric Scientist [Space] Improved Repel for Photonic Shockwave, but removes Disable component.
    Various names - Photonic Studies Scientist [Space] Chance to trigger a Photonic Aftershock.
    Various names - Research Lab Scientist [Space] Chance to Placate when using Charged Particle Burst.

    From Overwhelming Force, I don't know if CPB gets the DOFF benefits. But when I toyed with this trait months and months ago, the PSW certainly did. Not sure if Cryptic "fixed" or tweaked it since then.
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