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Accomodations and comforts on Klingon starships

goodscotchgoodscotch Member Posts: 1,680 Arc User
I know in various Star Trek episodes it was mentioned that Klingon ships were never built for comfort. I recall in one episode when data and Picard were on board a BOP, the bed was a metal grate with no blanket or pillows. So, do Klingon ships have food replicators? If so, hypothetical situation, could someone walk up to it and order a banana split? I saw on one episode that Klingons prefer their food either freshly killed or alive, as in the case of Gagh, but would that rule out food replicators?
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  • picard51picard51 Member Posts: 56 Arc User
    pre-STO, probably. Now that non-klingons serve in the KDF that's likely changed.
  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    In soft canon, especially Keith DeCandido's books, it has been specifically mentioned on several ocassions that Klingon ships were equipped with food replicators although Klingons prefer their food alive or freshly killed. The food replicators would most often be used during long term missions without docking at space stations when the stockpiles of fresh/alive food have been depleted or by strict orders of the ship's Captain/Commanding Officer for food rationing in order to maintain troop and crew morale by providing freshly killed food at certain points in the voyage.
    In the I.K.S. Gorkon novels it has been particulary noted that due to having Kurak on board as Chief Engineer and her awesome work, the Gorkon's food replicators were fine tuned to perfection resulting with a number of the crew chosing and even prefering the replicated meals due to their flavor being indistinguishable from the real stuff.

    In canon, my memory is a bit foggy, but I think that I recall Klingons using food replicators at times onboard their ships in ST:DS9.
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  • tacofangstacofangs Member Posts: 2,951 Cryptic Developer
    edited July 2015
    Humans (for the most part) don't exactly PREFER to eat MREs, but that doesn't stop soldiers from eating them when needed.

    I imagine it's similar for Klingons and Replicators. i.e. Replicators on board, eat anything else if/when available.
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  • lordgyorlordgyor Member Posts: 2,820 Arc User
    In STO ships are modular so if say you have an Orion who like his/her comforts, no reason that the ship could have upgraded "comforts".
  • captainoblivouscaptainoblivous Member Posts: 2,284 Arc User
    tacofangs wrote: »
    Humans (for the most part) don't exactly PREFER to eat MREs, but that doesn't stop soldiers from eating them when needed.

    I imagine it's similar for Klingons and Replicators. i.e. Replicators on board, eat anything else if/when available.

    When it comes to MREs, no-one who has ever had to live on them more than a few days likes them. They don't taste too horrific, but they sure as hell block you up. Troops have actually been hospitalised and medically discharged due to internal injuries sustained while trying to take a dump after living on MREs for a long period of time.
    Combine that with the fact that they don't have toilets in trek and you have a recipe for disaster! :P
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  • lizweilizwei Member Posts: 936 Arc User
    I'm sorry, that bit of that episode you cite was downright stupid, and part of the descent of the Klingons from a noble, martial species to the psychotic, primitive barbarians they became in DS9 and Enterprise.

    It really makes no sense for any people, ESPECIALLY a warrior, empire building culture to forgot basic ameneties for it's soldiers.
    For one thing your enemies would be flying circles around you when all they have to stock up on is generic goo for replicator conversion and your ships are still waiting delivery of several tons of live worms.
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    tacofangs wrote: »
    Humans (for the most part) don't exactly PREFER to eat MREs, but that doesn't stop soldiers from eating them when needed.

    I imagine it's similar for Klingons and Replicators. i.e. Replicators on board, eat anything else if/when available.

    When it comes to MREs, no-one who has ever had to live on them more than a few days likes them. They don't taste too horrific, but they sure as hell block you up. Troops have actually been hospitalised and medically discharged due to internal injuries sustained while trying to take a dump after living on MREs for a long period of time.
    Combine that with the fact that they don't have toilets in trek and you have a recipe for disaster! :P

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  • deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
    Klingon ships do carry stores of food, as do the federation ships. It's just that the replicators make for storage easier. I think I read the manual saying foods were held in stasis until needed.
  • lizweilizwei Member Posts: 936 Arc User
    Klingon ships do carry stores of food, as do the federation ships. It's just that the replicators make for storage easier. I think I read the manual saying foods were held in stasis until needed.

    That'd be impractical. What ships in Trek have is tanks of organic paste which replicators form into whatever food they have the data for.
    Now I'm sure replicators could at least simulate live food. If not.. well, it's ironic that it seems that the advocates for spartan Klingon warriors think they should have such luxury. In this context, live food would be a luxury to Klingons after all.
  • deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
    They do also carry organic materials and recycle our waste.
  • goodscotchgoodscotch Member Posts: 1,680 Arc User
    They do also carry organic materials and recycle our waste.

    So...at some point...one of your meals really could be made up of half digested meals from the latrine? This sounds dangerous.
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    tacofangs wrote: »
    Humans (for the most part) don't exactly PREFER to eat MREs, but that doesn't stop soldiers from eating them when needed.

    I imagine it's similar for Klingons and Replicators. i.e. Replicators on board, eat anything else if/when available.

    As a former military guy, yes, this is 100% true. A fresh cooked meal, even prepared out in the middle of nowhere goes a long way.
    goodscotch wrote: »
    They do also carry organic materials and recycle our waste.

    So...at some point...one of your meals really could be made up of half digested meals from the latrine? This sounds dangerous.

    This is already being done. Lots of things get recycled. Not just cardboard and aluminum cans.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reclaimed_water
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wastewater_treatment

    Sorry to be the one to break it to you** >:) I can imagine with the tech in Star Trek that waste recycling must be amazing. Otherwise more space on a ship has to be taken up by tanks to be dumped off at the nearest starbase. Or some technologically TRIBBLE-backwards civilization that doesn't know any better :D




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  • deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
    goodscotch wrote: »
    They do also carry organic materials and recycle our waste.

    So...at some point...one of your meals really could be made up of half digested meals from the latrine? This sounds dangerous.

    not really. the matter is reorganised. Meaning it's broken down at the subatomic level.
  • kyrrokkyrrok Member Posts: 1,352 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    Replicators for rations instead of live gagh over long excursions without a convenient starbase around? Perhaps. But I'm not turning my Klingon warship into the I.K.S. Luxury Liner. :D
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    goodscotch wrote: »
    They do also carry organic materials and recycle our waste.

    So...at some point...one of your meals really could be made up of half digested meals from the latrine? This sounds dangerous.

    not really. the matter is reorganised. Meaning it's broken down at the subatomic level.
    Which, of course, realistically should be an extremely energy-intensive process.
    Maybe there is really a valid reason why the VOY crew had to eat Neelix food to limit replicator usage... ;)

    Of course, that kinda means that the Klingon's preference for live food (or at least live Gagh) is probably effectively an energy-saving measure. Keeping a large amount of worms alive is not going to cost as much as disassembling and reassembling matter on a subatomic level. But of course, the energy you an get from 1 kg of anti-matter might vastly exceed the energy a bunch of Klingons can get out of 1 kg of Gagh, so it is also a question of available cargo space.
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  • lizweilizwei Member Posts: 936 Arc User
    goodscotch wrote: »
    They do also carry organic materials and recycle our waste.

    So...at some point...one of your meals really could be made up of half digested meals from the latrine? This sounds dangerous.

    not really. the matter is reorganised. Meaning it's broken down at the subatomic level.
    Which, of course, realistically should be an extremely energy-intensive process.
    Maybe there is really a valid reason why the VOY crew had to eat Neelix food to limit replicator usage... ;)

    Of course, that kinda means that the Klingon's preference for live food (or at least live Gagh) is probably effectively an energy-saving measure. Keeping a large amount of worms alive is not going to cost as much as disassembling and reassembling matter on a subatomic level. But of course, the energy you an get from 1 kg of anti-matter might vastly exceed the energy a bunch of Klingons can get out of 1 kg of Gagh, so it is also a question of available cargo space.

    Personally I find the idea that the Voyager somehow lacked energy for replicators preposterous, especially given their use of holodecks (bulk forcefield and replicator device) and transporters with reckless abandon.
    Also, ship power comes from it's fuaion reactors, not the warp core I believe.

    To me, it's more logical to say that the organic matter used to replicate food is relatively hard to acquire when out alone without access to a starbase, or something like that. Granted using logic on Voyager is like using a hammer on jelly.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    lizwei wrote: »
    goodscotch wrote: »
    They do also carry organic materials and recycle our waste.

    So...at some point...one of your meals really could be made up of half digested meals from the latrine? This sounds dangerous.

    not really. the matter is reorganised. Meaning it's broken down at the subatomic level.
    Which, of course, realistically should be an extremely energy-intensive process.
    Maybe there is really a valid reason why the VOY crew had to eat Neelix food to limit replicator usage... ;)

    Of course, that kinda means that the Klingon's preference for live food (or at least live Gagh) is probably effectively an energy-saving measure. Keeping a large amount of worms alive is not going to cost as much as disassembling and reassembling matter on a subatomic level. But of course, the energy you an get from 1 kg of anti-matter might vastly exceed the energy a bunch of Klingons can get out of 1 kg of Gagh, so it is also a question of available cargo space.

    Personally I find the idea that the Voyager somehow lacked energy for replicators preposterous, especially given their use of holodecks (bulk forcefield and replicator device) and transporters with reckless abandon.
    Mission-Critical stuff like transporters make sense to me. (And considering how many shuttles they lost and had to somehow replace, transporters might often really have been the only option. :) )
    But the holodeck thing was always handwaved away with some "special form of energy" or some such, but why the heck would Starfleet build a special power source only for the Holodecks that cannot be fed into the rest of the system? No sane person would design it that way.

    Unless they knew how unreliable holodeck technology was and didn't want it to interface with the ship in any way. Maybe a reaction to the Moriaty-Enterprise incident? ;) Except, of course, that such interfacing was definitely possible.
    Considering they build their own shuttle craft and developed a transwarp drive, I can't believe they couldn't have found a way to convert the energy. ;)
    Also, ship power comes from it's fuaion reactors, not the warp core I believe.
    Star Trek is never quite clear on these things. At least not on-screen. It hink logically, both serve as energy source for everything, but the warp core is really only needed for the warp engine. But if that was true, then the would have a lot of reserve energy for shields and weapons at impulse, wouldn't they?

    To me, it's more logical to say that the organic matter used to replicate food is relatively hard to acquire when out alone without access to a starbase, or something like that. Granted using logic on Voyager is like using a hammer on jelly.
    Ultimately, this. ;)
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  • crypticarmsmancrypticarmsman Member Posts: 4,115 Arc User
    tacofangs wrote: »
    Humans (for the most part) don't exactly PREFER to eat MREs, but that doesn't stop soldiers from eating them when needed.

    I imagine it's similar for Klingons and Replicators. i.e. Replicators on board, eat anything else if/when available.

    When it comes to MREs, no-one who has ever had to live on them more than a few days likes them. They don't taste too horrific, but they sure as hell block you up. Troops have actually been hospitalised and medically discharged due to internal injuries sustained while trying to take a dump after living on MREs for a long period of time.
    Combine that with the fact that they don't have toilets in trek and you have a recipe for disaster! :P
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  • deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
    voyager and power generation should not be taken seriously
  • gradiigradii Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    Well, I play a Klingon-at-heart KDF Orion (who wears plenty of clothes TYVM,) and while she doesn't mind eating live Gagh, she actually prefers cooked klingon octopus with grapok sauce, much to the dismay of her klingon bridge officers.

    They approve of her uncanny ability to drink large amounts of bloodwine without becoming sick or drunk however. B)

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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    tacofangs wrote: »
    Humans (for the most part) don't exactly PREFER to eat MREs, but that doesn't stop soldiers from eating them when needed.

    I imagine it's similar for Klingons and Replicators. i.e. Replicators on board, eat anything else if/when available.
    When it comes to MREs, no-one who has ever had to live on them more than a few days likes them. They don't taste too horrific, but they sure as hell block you up. Troops have actually been hospitalised and medically discharged due to internal injuries sustained while trying to take a dump after living on MREs for a long period of time.
    Combine that with the fact that they don't have toilets in trek and you have a recipe for disaster! :P
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  • captainoblivouscaptainoblivous Member Posts: 2,284 Arc User
    Been there, done that.... it's not that bad.

    Ah, but it can be. Also "Been there, done that".
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  • bluedarkybluedarky Member Posts: 548 Arc User
    Whilst it may be a matter of course onboard smaller klingon vessels that they don't carry much live food if they're going on a long range mission away from starbases for easy restocking. I can easily see larger ships containing facilities to breed a supply of live food, especially Gagh if it breeds as fast as earth worms.
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