I have been looking over various threads and their seems to be a great contempt for using the Krenim weaponship. This spurred the idea of what fun devices, tools, races with advanced powers, and Dues ex machinas have we not used yet in the war with the Iconians?
TOS:
Trelane
Melkotians
Excalibans
Organians
Guardian of Forever
The Original Doomsday Machine (In the novels, Seven got it working again, planet killers are fun)
Slingshot Effect
Spock's Brain
Anti-Matter Bombs (Obsession)
Genesis Device
TOS/TNG:
The Nexus
TNG:
Q
Kevin Uxbridge
Trilithium Torpedoes
DS9:
The Prophets
Voyager:
"Threshold" (Space slugs could always be a super secret weapon right?)
ENT:
Temporal Cold War Factions
So what other fun things can we use against the Iconians?
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oh that'd be epic
Indeed
Another point to add to the list: TNG - Wesley and the Traveler and TNG - "Brain Barclay" aka. the alien mind probe technology or TNG - Barclay's Protomorphosis Syndrome (also known as the intron virus) - just devolve the Iconians to... whatever they evolved from
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It's over in JJ-verse now, remember?
But do we have to stop at one planet killer? Get Seven's (aka the original), B'Vat's, and the "B'Vat Control System" together and throw a party...
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The Planet Killer is an inadequate weapon, by the way. It can be destroyed or disabled with a ship flying into its mouth. The Iconian ship was still flying after a ship collided with it! It would be trivial for the Heralds to disable a Planet Killer. And it was never particularly effective at fighting ships - it was good against planets. Ships only get into trouble if they were dumb enough to fly in front of its mouth, basically.
But the Iconians have Dyson Spheres, not planets.
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You forgot about the Phase Cloaking device from the USS Pegasus, Stardate 47457.1 in season 7 of STNG. Which can phase through solid matter while cloak, add the Genesis device with a Phase cloak ship and fly it into the Iconian Sphere and then set it off, no more Heralds' fleet.
Better yet, equip Dr. Soran's trilithium missile with a phasing cloak and launch it into the star at the heart of the Andromeda Sphere. Then sit back (from a safe distance) and watch said Sphere go boom.
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Nope. The planet's still there, and more or less in one piece.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I dare you to do better.
The Borg?
The Borg were already on their way. In TNG, outposts in the Neutral Zone are destroyed by the Collective before Q throws the Enterprise into the way of that cube.
in ENT, it is explained how the Borg were informed about Earth and the local Alpha-/Beta-Quadrant powers.
So Q did not cause the Borg dilemma, he indeed prepared the Federation by turning the Borg into a clear and present threat the flagship itself encountered. There was no way the Federation could ignore the Borg after that event.
Still, Q did not intervene directly. He just set the Feds on their path. If he helps us with the Iconians, it won't be something like just flicking them out of the galaxy - if he is even able to do so.
And even when you are inside the Nexus, you'll still end up TRIBBLE around with time. Which we are going to be doing anyway, so you are just suggesting a different avenue.
You know, I would hope that it is because of us in STO that the whole Time War actually happens. The amount of **** we do time traveling wise seems to suggest we're like the opening act of it.
While I agree that specific episode of ENT sucked, the fact that the Borg were already on the move against Federation and Romulan targets before Q threw the Enterprise into the path of that cube was established in TNG. Point stands.
Actually the JJ verse is merely a hallucination caused by Bendii syndrome, and Spock is secretly convalescing on Vulcan.
*nods*
I'd like to see any piece of technology that operates at peak performance after several million years of constant operation.
If they bothered to retrofit the thing with some defences, upgrade it's computers and so on it just might do the job.
Hell if an 8472 attack can bust open a Dyson sphere door, I'm sure the doomsday machine could too, then burn them from the inside.
2. Enterprise establishes what drew the Borg to Earth and why they came. They got a part of a transmission so they were curious and came raiding.
Its quality is, of course, your opinion. That episode was written specifically to address the aftermath of the events of First Contact, though.
And to address this^, because despite whether you enjoyed ENT or not, the fact remains that the Borg were already moving against the Alpha Quadrant before the events of "Q Who" which had been shown as the first contact between the Federation and the Borg.
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Enterprise is Riker's holodeck program, nothing seen within can be taken as 100% accurate.
Especially not Starfleet encountering the Borg and not saving any records for future reference.
who says there were no records? Is not the time between Qwho and when annita went into the DQ less than 18 years? How do we not know that there were some files? Perhaps Starfleet buried the engagement with the borg on Enterprise and when the service merged, the files got lost? There were some reports of the Borg before Q who, but the Federation didn't know what they were.
And you don't think Shelby's task force would've actively searched for and gotten any records on weird cyborgs and such so they wouldn't have been caught with their pants down over Picard's assimilation?
Deus ex machina ... the plural is Dei ex machina (or, depending on how many "machines" there are in mind, Dei ex machinis) ... is not something we can use; it's only a tool for the writer(s), not the player(s). Anyway, I'm going to go down your list and make comments.
TOS:
Trelane -- Some claim he was a young member of the Q Continuum, which seems dubious, as he obviously relied upon machinery to accomplish his feats, and we've never seen a Q do likewise; at any rate, the suggestion that he was a Q is not from hard canon. If he were a young Q, then he must be considered in connection with the Q and not separately. If he were not a young Q (and I believe he wasn't), then his power is, based on what we witnessed in "The Squire of Gothos," considerably more limited than would be necessary for dealing with the Iconians.
Melkotians -- The Melkotians' power is psionic. I have doubts that their psionic ability is sufficient to deal with the Iconians, who seem to have some psionic abilities of their own.
Excalibans -- Have they even developed an understanding of ethics yet? In "The Savage Curtain," they seemed entirely amoral.
Organians -- Do not generally meddle in outside affairs and probably don't consider the Iconians a threat (and the Iconians probably are not a threat to them, since they are an advanced species).
Guardian of Forever -- Likely classified "Above Top Secret" if not even more classified than that, very few personnel of any of the three factions would know about this (our Federation characters are included, having done the mission), but as has been pointed out, this is still mucking about with time, and as demonstrated in the TOS episode "City on the Edge of Forever," it's rather easy to TRIBBLE the entire timeline up with this.
The Original Doomsday Machine (In the novels, Seven got it working again, planet killers are fun) -- And it was destroyed again by our (Federation) characters. It's also, like, uncontrollable, so it might not be particularly well-suited to being used as a weapon against a specific foe, and even if we somehow managed to get it to slice and dice the Iconian/Herald Sphere, we'd have to destroy the blasted thing again afterwards.
Slingshot Effect -- More mucking about with time. Make no mistake, we're going to muck about with time somehow, as was made obvious when Sela let slip information which she apparently thought was of no strategic importance.
Spock's Brain -- I don't even know what to say to this.
Anti-Matter Bombs (Obsession) -- How exactly would this be used to deal with the Iconians?
Genesis Device -- Yeah, this one has been suggested already, and I thought the person who suggested it was on to something interesting, but would the Federation want this technology in anyone's hands but their own?
TOS/TNG:
The Nexus -- Coming soon, regardless. It may already be on the table at Cryptic for a means of tackling the Iconians; it's certainly something we should deal with in 2410, as that's when it's supposed to return to our area of the universe.
TNG:
Q -- As has been pointed out, the Q generally have little interest in us, with one (or two, counting STO's "Q Junior") exception(s), and don't typically pull our bacon out of the fire unless they dropped us in the fire to begin with.
Kevin Uxbridge -- That guy is probably still Angst-ridden and not too keen on doing anything that might require him to kill again.
Trilithium Torpedoes -- Could probably be used in the same manner as the Genesis Device.
DS9:
The Prophets -- We've already talked to the Prophets about the Iconians; they're the ones who first told us about "The Other." Remember? They don't seem particularly interested in getting involved, either.
Voyager:
"Threshold" (Space slugs could always be a super secret weapon right?) -- Ugh.
ENT:
Temporal Cold War Factions -- You mean like, oh, I don't know, could it be, maybe ... the Krenim?
It's a shame Cryptic can't do the same here. It still sort of works. Andromedas, Iconians... I bet people would be all over an I.S.C. lockbox..