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Red Matter

picard51picard51 Member Posts: 56 Arc User
in Star Trek Online General Discussion
I just watched the first JJ Trek today and had a brainwave. Why aren't we using red matter on the Iconians? Like, just open up gates to their spheres, toss a red matter bomb through, and watch the chaos ensue. No time travel, no nasty paradoxes. It's pretty much an "I Win" button for the war. No amount of super high tech, magic staff carrying, herald nonsense can trump an artificial black hole.
Thoughts?

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  • azniadeetazniadeet Member Posts: 1,871 Arc User
    Because starfleet didn't pre-order the collector's edition.
  • thomaselkinsthomaselkins Member Posts: 575 Arc User
    Probably the same reason we don't use Trilithium Torpedoes. We don't want to use weapons so powerful we destroy ourselves in the process. Then again we're willing to use the Krenim Weapon...
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,669 Community Moderator
    The only instance of Red Matter in the game is the ship device Red Matter Capacitor.
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  • jbmaverickjbmaverick Member Posts: 935 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    I believe It's been stated that if they wanted to, the Iconians could warp a star to any location they wanted via their gates, though they wouldn't likely do so due to the catastrophic damage it would cause to the originating system (the Iconians want to rule, not destroy). Potentially they could do the same with a Red-Matter-initiated black hole.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    what did the Vulcans do with their notes on creating Red Matter?
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  • jackmorgan1149jackmorgan1149 Member Posts: 111 Arc User
    azniadeet wrote: »
    Because starfleet didn't pre-order the collector's edition.

    This was a tickler.
  • sirmaydaysirmayday Member Posts: 535 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    The cost in lives and materiel of the Iconian War has been catastrophic; Millions (billions?) dead, hundreds or thousands of ships and stations destroyed, planets razed (perhaps irrevisibly). The goal is no longer to end the war, but prevent it altogether.

    I'm not necessarily defending use of the Krenim Weapon (used irresponsibly, it could still do more damage than the entirety of the Iconian War), but I do understand why it's preferrable to red matter bombs or trilithium torpedoes in the characters' eyes; pock-marking a ruined galaxy with hundreds of massive new gravitational anomalies would be the bitterest of phyrric victories.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,669 Community Moderator
    markhawkman wrote: »
    what did the Vulcans do with their notes on creating Red Matter?

    Maybe the Jellyfish had ALL the Red Matter they were able to produce and they can't make anymore?
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  • bernatkbernatk Member Posts: 1,089 Bug Hunter
    picard51 wrote: »
    JJ Trek

    Stop right there mister. That's why.

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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    azniadeet wrote: »
    Because starfleet didn't pre-order the collector's edition.

    Hehe.
    bernatk wrote: »
    picard51 wrote: »
    JJ Trek

    Stop right there mister. That's why.

    No it's not. We already have Red Matter ingame. For the same reason we have the Romulan head tattoos, Sierra 1 uniforms, assimilated Romulan ships, the Vault, and if we so desired the Jellyfish. They all appeared in the 'Countdown' comic which Cryptic has rights to reproduce the content from. ​​
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  • gradiigradii Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    Because were being railroaded blindly into the worst plot device, and whoever wrote iconian war made up their mind about it.

    I am glad that we are getting a new writer.
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  • woodwhitywoodwhity Member Posts: 2,636 Arc User
    Because its a typical case of forgotten Phlebotinum. Its the same with trilithium bombs.​​
  • gradiigradii Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    woodwhity wrote: »
    Because its a typical case of forgotten Phlebotinum. Its the same with trilithium bombs.​​

    some of the same forgotten Phlebtonium I keep pointing out as alternatives to this ridiculous weapon. We have options, we just refuse to recognize them.
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  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan
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    gradii wrote: »
    and whoever wrote iconian war made up their mind about it.

    that would be geko, who is still here if i may point out, so a new writer isn't going to change anything​​
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  • tinead51tinead51 Member Posts: 449 Arc User
    azniadeet wrote: »
    Because starfleet didn't pre-order the collector's edition.

    Interwebz winner of the day :D
  • breadandcircusesbreadandcircuses Member Posts: 2,355 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    azniadeet wrote: »
    Because starfleet didn't pre-order the collector's edition.

    Maybe they tuned into the Livestream instead, and are still trying to decide how to use the only one they have access to amongst all those possible recipients...

    Are you sure we should use it on that Iconian Sphere?
    What if using it on a different Iconian Sphere would be more effective?
    You know we can't ever reclaim it, right?

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  • themetalstickmanthemetalstickman Member Posts: 1,010 Arc User
    Didn't Path to 2409 address this? I thought there was something in there about banning red matter research.​​
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,669 Community Moderator
    I'm surprised no one mentioned the Genesis Device. Granted it probably doesn't have the power to take out a Dyson Sphere, but still... someone hasn't mentioned this little piece of tech powered by Protomatter.
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