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What if the Krenim weapon ship is just a universe-hopping ship?
leviathan99
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From the perspective of the person using the weapon ship, it appears that you're deleting timelines, people, whole civilizations.
But wouldn't it be funny if the ship was just sending you to an alternate timeline where that thing naturally didn't exist and you weren't changing anything at all, just navigating the multiverse?
But wouldn't it be funny if the ship was just sending you to an alternate timeline where that thing naturally didn't exist and you weren't changing anything at all, just navigating the multiverse?
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I did see the episode. But that might be how it looked to hop universes if the perspective of the episode wasn't entirely straight with us. You fire the beam at something and it takes you to a universe where the thing doesn't exist.
I'm suggesting a kind of sideways retcon. I KNOW it isn't what Brannon Braga intended when he wrote the episode but I also bet Brannon Braga would like the idea based on what we know about his taste in plot twists and alternate realities.
Also, the manuscript said it "removed the item/species" and not "Shifted the Temporal ship to another dimension".
I'm saying it could be retconned, not that it was the intent.
As for the beam, maybe that's what it looks like to cross universes in the ship.
The idea would be that maybe Annorax misunderstood what his device was doing (and , yes, you'd be going against Braga's original intent which even Braga did at times).
You set a target and maybe the beam propels you into a reality where that object doesn't exist and the shockwave would just be what it looks like for the ship crossing realities, as you see the realities you're passing through along the way towards one where the target object doesn't exist.
So the beam would actually be a kind of propulsion that bounces the weapon ship off the "personal timeline" of the object or event being targeted and you'd see "shockwave" of realities inbetween.
Meh, the stupid time ship bores me. I wouldn't have thought that one episode that wasn't even as bad would start to annoy me this much because some game referenced it.
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Sorry... Sounds like an explanation designed only to make your idea seem like it could work.
I am not convinced though.
Of course, then it might also make sense that you could use the device to travel to parallel universes that are different in some other way.
Temporal Shielding just means that you are also affected by the drive's engine, if you happen to be in the same universe.
I wonder how that could be, if it's a retroactive change that alters the complete timeline? How can there even be a "shockwave" of the change?
How fast does that shockwave transfer the "change" (if we can actually see the shockwave, it is likely not even faster than light!)? Does that mean there is a spot outside the shockwave where I can still observe the original universe, unaffected by the change? WHat happens if I have a ship that moves faster than the wave? Does that mean I could (accidentally) drop out of the alteration and realize that the universe has changed? Or might I disappear if my ship didn't happen to travel at that location in the original timeline?
The VFX are artistic license - if one can even call it that, since that might imply there is a "real" effect that could be modeled.
I am not convinced they made sense for the original concept, so I think them not making sense for an alternate one is not a problem either.
(In fact, the idea of a memory alteration shockwave might make more sense here than either.
- To universe hop.
- To self-modify.
So you turn your temporal shielding inside out, right? And you focus the weapon at things inside your bubble. That's KINDOF like Wesley's static warp bubble which had the shrinking universe Beverly was trapped in.
But you position yourself in a lab. You are contained inside temporal shielding that prevents anything in the lab from influencing the rest of the universe which would mean anything deleted in there is only deleted from the perspective of the lab.
Husband and wife enter the lab. The temporal shielding is inside out. The husband gets deleted. Inside the bubble, the wife never knew the husband. Outside the bubble, they remember the husband. Because the timeline changes are confined to the physical area of the lab. You could also conceivably now have woman's alternate husband be her lab partner even though from the outside POV, that guy never set foot in the lab. This is just covering how it works. You have a zone that has its own timeline and causally de-linked from the outside world.
So you do weapons research, right? And then you use the Krenim weapon immediately after a failed experiment to delete the the failed experiment. We know when you delete something, it doesn't just happen again. So a different experiment happens. And so on.
The net result being that you now have a lab where anything it is even infinitesimally possible to create in 24 hours, you can now create in 24 hours. The inside out temporal shields for the 24 hours mean it can't influence the rest of the timeline and you only fire the Krenim weapon when the T-shields are up. Once the shields go up, scientists devise an experiment. If the experiment fails, the weapon destroys the blueprints for the experiment from ever having existed (the effects contained by the inside out temporal shields). This repeats until a success condition has been established.
From the outside world's perspective, you now have a machine that can create anything or solve any problem in 24 hours that can be solved in 24 hours.
Now, you take that a step further and design the machine to improve its process for improving everything. Faster calculations. A better design. Devising a better version of own directive for what it should be doing.
An AI focused on retroactively improving itself in a continuous 24 hour series of revisions.
The bubble goes up. The AI goes to work improving itself. At the end of the 24 hours, the AI decides on some factor that was sub-optimal in hindsight and uses the Krenim beam to reshape its 24 hour development to exclude that element. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. It's recursive. And outside the bubble, we're not influenced by it but when we drop the bubble, we will effectively see what the result is after infinite self-corrective recursions.
It would be cool to have a ship that can hop dimensions in the multiverse like Ace Rimmer. Would this mean however that we will run into our own equivalents in this alternate dimension? I imagine it would play out a lot like the Mirror Universe episodes.
Which would also be a lot like Worf's journey in the TNG episode "Parallels"? Or that pilot that wound up on Netflix, "Parallels"?
For those that haven't seen the show, there's a building that appears to exist in all universes or in multiple universes. It's identical in every universe it exists in. In a futuristic universe, there's this one building that looks different from everything else on the block because it looks like a run down, abandoned office building. In a war torn universe, everything else might be leveled but it's still standing. A group of people enter the building. Every 36 hours, there's an earthquake and they can exit the building but the exits lead to a different world. The upper levels of the building are bricked off and the elevator is locked. There are people from alternate universes living in the building or have lived in the building as well and they've filled it with graffiti clues. The pilot was like Sliders meets Lost.
A brother, a sister, and a young lawyer whose life sucks (and who has a crush on the sister) enter the building looking for the brother and sister's father. They encounter several timelines and their group makeup gets changed a bit by the end of the pilot. A lot like Sliders but the building has a weird mythology to it and anyone in the building can stow away for the next shuffle. And you have the mystery of who's on the top floors of the building.
Even as a fan of Sliders, I really liked the pilot. There's been lobbying to turn it into a series likely with a new cast and remade pilot since several of the actors have hit it big since then.
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