You're very very optimistic about that number. I say less than 5% of all players put out proper DPS. Rest is just there to drag down any run lol...
And who is to say what is proper DPS? A dead target is a dead target, some of us just take longer to make them die. I'm fairly certain you have dragged down a few groups in your time and were carried through so you can get nice gear, and I am genuinely glad for you, but a lot of us are limited to the time we can spend gearing up so we are not here to impress you or anyone else with that kind of attitude. We enjoy how we play. If you don't like the dps of the "dragdowners" just stick top the elitist groups so they can make fun of your dps.
while i dont think dps has anything to do with lag, i do think dps is slowly killing this game.. since cryptic is a one hit wonder and only knows how to support dps centric builds.. honestly, i just built a steamrunner, that steam runner has 2 heals on it only, the rest is all to boost dps, and i have no problems..
this is a problem in an mmo when you only have to think about one way of playing.. at least in other games when you go for big dps, you still have to worry about surviveability. in this game you do not. nearly every special console is all about dps.. it either increases crit hit, crit dmg, or accuracy, or other types of dmg increases..
there is no real need for crowd control anymore as a good team can just bulldoze through everything in a matter of seconds. there is no need to trick npc's as they are so predictable you know exactly how they will react.. there is no need for heals as everything dies before it can kill you.
a good example is the gateway to greathor. basically they rewrapped the crystaline catastrophy and made it a slightly longer instance.. you warp in, waite a few seconds, and the first optional is a dps race.. (shocker). then, you have to make sure the landing parties get to the planet, which is half a dps race, half needing to close rifts. than you go and spank the dreadnaught completely ignoring all its minions. and again, its another dps race.
at least in other mmos, they would make the minions more noticeable, make you use an offtank to kite them around, or keep them busy. but no, in this we just hurry up and kill the boss, than clean up.
cryptic is probably one of the least imaginative developer of boss fights, and just regular fights in general.. i mean, they still havnt broken away from the warp in, destroy 5 ships, beam down, kill 5 mobs, beam up, kill 3 more waves of ships, the end..
Things killing the game.
1) Completely out of control DPS (And they added even more with S10.5)
2) New zombie mode (Combine ship traits Invincible+Tactical Retreat+Desperate Repairs)
3) There is absolutely no need for placates to exist in the game, yet they insist on adding them
4) Cooldowns are pretty much irrelevant given all the CD reductions in the game.
Right before DR, things weren't balanced, but they weren't completely out of control. Balance got thrown out the window and left behind forever given all the changes since then.
DPS isn't causing the lag in this game. And contrary to what some say that it's always the player's ISP when the lag is bad, I'd like to bring one piece of shining history for STO.
You guys remember the last Winter Event? When the Breen Sarr Theln was released? The Sarr Theln's mastery trait in conjunction with one of the DR-release Fed T6 ships' traits caused serious issues. To the extent that when the effects of those 2 traits combined, EVERYONE in that instance would lag out, get "Server Not Responding" and the eventual Disconnect. It took Cryptic a few weeks to figure out how to fix it, but it did get taken cared of.
And that's just one group of additions since DR hit. With all the traits, bonuses that are now lying underneath STO's hood, it doesn't surprise me there's lag issues with STO that's gotten worse after DR. Even Cryptic has said themselves some of these traits are guilty of causing these lag issues and are continuously trying to figure it out.
Some of us do play this game for fun, you know. Making it effective in content is secondary, but it's a close secondary.
As for me, I'm chasing improvements on what I fly, not the #1 DPS spot. The lessons I learn help other people build their theme ships AND do well in the content that they're playing, making it more fun for them.
Yeah i think,your game can handle all this damage,no need for 100k dsp,if you can do 100 k or more game is boring as hell..
No one needs to do 100k. 100k+ DPS is optional. Doing it is like spending your time in ESD rather than doing missions or spending time dressing your toon changing the design of your uniform. Optional.
I'm not in it for DPS. My Fed and KDF ships don't have the gear for it. I still take out my targets, and I do red alerts / enemy encounters for fun. This is my only group action I get other than ground zones. So at least I have fun. Even though my ships don't pound out the DPS. At least I can hold my own. Now my Romulan ship is different since she is a tac in a D'Deridex. So I got a full Romulan Rep set. She can pound out some serious damage. But I had to do that, since the D'Deridex isn't a good ship for tac.
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Some of us do play this game for fun, you know. Making it effective in content is secondary, but it's a close secondary.
As for me, I'm chasing improvements on what I fly, not the #1 DPS spot. The lessons I learn help other people build their theme ships AND do well in the content that they're playing, making it more fun for them.
Same here. My goal is to be the best Ambassador pilot I can be and hopefully use that to eventually help others. Someday. Its still a learning process.
Same here. My goal is to be the best Ambassador pilot I can be and hopefully use that to eventually help others. Someday. Its still a learning process.
I'm in the Ambassador club as well. I'm still learning my ship. And showing others the old girl can still get the job done.
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Some of us do play this game for fun, you know. Making it effective in content is secondary, but it's a close secondary.
As for me, I'm chasing improvements on what I fly, not the #1 DPS spot. The lessons I learn help other people build their theme ships AND do well in the content that they're playing, making it more fun for them.
Same here. My goal is to be the best Ambassador pilot I can be and hopefully use that to eventually help others. Someday. Its still a learning process.
I think a lot of us are in the same boat. In my case, I want to know how far I can push a Pathfinder torpedo platform. I don't care about how much higher or lower others are in relation to me in the charts. If I wanted top DPS, I won't be flying an Intrepid. In fact, there was even a thread in the forums a few weeks ago calling the seating of the Pathfinder "objectively bad". However, I'm a Voyager fan so I just find enjoyment in tinkering and experimenting with item and skill combinations to squeeze out performance from my little Intrepid.
Not everyone who chases DPS is there to compete in the top tier. Some just like to fly the ships they loved from the shows and improve their ships and piloting in the process. Their rise in DPS is just the end result of that.
What might cause server lag is the various abilities you have, that need calculated. If your client says the server that you clicked on Emergency Power to Shields, the server must check: Can he do that, or is the power still on cooldown. If it is allowed to happen, what special abilities are triggered? Can they be triggered, or are they on a cooldown. And that is for any ability you do.
Aye, any lag on the server is caused by crossreferencing calculations, where millions of calculations have to run against millions of other calculations multiplying quickly into trillions of possible outcomes.
People who don't program probably don't understand that it's usually the seemingly simplest little line of code- and not the flashy graphical interface- that will wreck your day.
yeah you got me dr freud..i like pvp..:D and i use space bar..all the time, even now...:D
I just know how some dps people play ..yeah for sto you need maaad skils:D
game is so hard you can watch tv in the same time when you play..
do you realize theres no real tactics in this game anymore becouse dps,becouse powercreep..thats not playing..but for you maybe it is..
You doing PvP has nothing to do with this thread. It is you spewing misinformation and fallacies. Space bar mashing is one of the worst ways of getting of DPS.
If you have an easy time doing normal start doing advance. if you have an easy time doing advance start doing elite. Dont choose easy elites, choose the hardest elites. There are quite a handful of people who can faceroll the hardest elite STFs in this game. And your not one of them.
If you want something more difficult than what you are doing, you go more for difficult content. Dont come here in this forum and spew lies and tell us everything is easy except what you have done is only the normal, advance or easiset elites but totally avoided the hardest elite in the game.
If you were a player who can faceroll the hardest elites I might believe you that the game is too easy for your tastes. But you arent one of those players who can finish the hardest elites without sweat nor is your information factual or accurate.
With dps thingy sto lost 50% or more population ,do you know that??
The whole point is you cannot spew numbers out of the blue attach it as fact which you have done in this thread multiple times. 15% now 50%. Get your numbers from official numbers. If you dont have any information, then whatever you said is not factual but lies.
Im playing for more then 30 years,yeah maybe i know some things..
So? The game doesnt care about many years you have played. It only cares if you know the mechanics or not.
There are damage minimum requirements in any game. I dont see anything bothersome to have minimum damage requirements in this game especially if the minimum damage requirement for advance is less than 5% of maximum potential.
actually i be happy if sto remove binding options...i dont need them..im not scared if i dont bind some keys mi dps will drop for 3% and all other uber dps guys will see this later in combat log:D
The Uber DPS guys has nothing to do with the lag nor your success or failure in this game. Blame yourself for your failures in the game.
You're very very optimistic about that number. I say less than 5% of all players put out proper DPS. Rest is just there to drag down any run lol...
And... this is the kinda idiot which ends up on ignore lists instantly in game.
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Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
LOl, its a shame that some players link DPS achievements with fun.. omg.. thats so pathetic... im not surprised this game is what it is.. a dps race. For players who dont want to have fun, but to "feel" important and "cool" its the perfect excuse lol.
LOl, its a shame that some players link DPS achievements with fun.. omg.. thats so pathetic... im not surprised this game is what it is.. a dps race. For players who dont want to have fun, but to "feel" important and "cool" its the perfect excuse lol.
Its as if fun is a subjective opinion that varies from captain to captain. Fascinating.
LOl, its a shame that some players link DPS achievements with fun.. omg.. thats so pathetic... im not surprised this game is what it is.. a dps race. For players who dont want to have fun, but to "feel" important and "cool" its the perfect excuse lol.
Its as if fun is a subjective opinion that varies from captain to captain. Fascinating.
it's also as if some people can't wrap their heads around the idea that others can have different preferences in what they like or consider fun. Like the poster you quoted.
I'd go as far as say it's selfish and narcissistic; they don't consider "X" to be fun, so anyone who goes after "X" must not be playing for fun. the world revolves around them you know.
LOl, its a shame that some players link DPS achievements with fun.. omg.. thats so pathetic... im not surprised this game is what it is.. a dps race. For players who dont want to have fun, but to "feel" important and "cool" its the perfect excuse lol.
Its as if fun is a subjective opinion that varies from captain to captain. Fascinating.
it's also as if some people can't wrap their heads around the idea that others can have different preferences in what they like or consider fun. Like the poster you quoted.
I'd go as far as say it's selfish and narcissistic; they don't consider "X" to be fun, so anyone who goes after "X" must not be playing for fun. the world revolves around them you know.
Agreed. It's also another form of elitism too, the kind of elitism they accuse DPS players of.
TBH I don't know what all the animosity is about. They don't want to chase DPS and that's fine if that's what they want to do. They don't need to hit 100k++, nobody does. However, if someone else finds chasing numbers fun, they start calling them names...
What is fascinating is, the biggest problem of the game is the dps race and some guys "enjoy" it.. lol. But watever.. i just dont understand why people complain about the "dps race", when are the players emselves who are making it.
Non DPS elitists? I won't say you're mistaken, but this is the first I've heard of it. I have seen thread after thread of "nOOb" flaming and there is certainly more elitism, and more to the point, venomous hate from DPS trolls (not all DPSers, just the trolls). I don't find this putrid behavior anywhere near fascinating.
how old you are 16,you are playing star trek and chasing numbers?? you are real troll mi friend..im not saying dps is bad ,but dps as only plastyle for any game is bad .If game has a name star trek it cant be just about damage.you are stupid ,blind or just not old enuff to see real problem..
I see no problem but created by your imagination.
Have you actually done elite STFs? Because if it is justs damage, you wont be able to finish any of the hard elites. Its just like any other game. You die, you dont survive you cannot DPS nor deal damage. You dont do hard counters vs NPCs, you stop doing anything, you die, you dont deal damage.
The same can be said of advance queues except in lower forms of magnitudes than the hardest elite. You need to survive and deal damage like any other game except lower than elites. We can go on with normal which is lower than advance.
Its just in this game, people like yourself create anti-DPS stigma before even understanding the mechanics of the game or even being actually competent in the game.
And yeah game has gone from high number of players to medium player base maybe low..thats the fact .any fool can see that..but not you ..which is kinda sad and funny.
Where is your fact coming from? your imagination? Give proof and we will talk back rather than basing this from your self created "facts" and self importance of your personal views which have no basis of facts.
LOl, its a shame that some players link DPS achievements with fun.. omg.. thats so pathetic... im not surprised this game is what it is.. a dps race. For players who dont want to have fun, but to "feel" important and "cool" its the perfect excuse lol.
DPS race is a figment of imagination. The game is not forcing to do DPS race. A player doing 5k DPS or 100k DPS or 200k DPS will still finish an advance queue.
DPS is one of the communities in the game, if you dont like doing 100k or 200k DPS, then dont do 100k or 200k DPS. Those who do it are having fun.
It is no different from the role playing community. Nor people staying in ESD 24/7.
Except players create DPS hatred or anti-propaganda like yourself and the OP. Seems to me the problem comes from players like you and the OP.
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You're very very optimistic about that number. I say less than 5% of all players put out proper DPS. Rest is just there to drag down any run lol...
And who is to say what is proper DPS? A dead target is a dead target, some of us just take longer to make them die. I'm fairly certain you have dragged down a few groups in your time and were carried through so you can get nice gear, and I am genuinely glad for you, but a lot of us are limited to the time we can spend gearing up so we are not here to impress you or anyone else with that kind of attitude. We enjoy how we play. If you don't like the dps of the "dragdowners" just stick top the elitist groups so they can make fun of your dps.
this is a problem in an mmo when you only have to think about one way of playing.. at least in other games when you go for big dps, you still have to worry about surviveability. in this game you do not. nearly every special console is all about dps.. it either increases crit hit, crit dmg, or accuracy, or other types of dmg increases..
there is no real need for crowd control anymore as a good team can just bulldoze through everything in a matter of seconds. there is no need to trick npc's as they are so predictable you know exactly how they will react.. there is no need for heals as everything dies before it can kill you.
a good example is the gateway to greathor. basically they rewrapped the crystaline catastrophy and made it a slightly longer instance.. you warp in, waite a few seconds, and the first optional is a dps race.. (shocker). then, you have to make sure the landing parties get to the planet, which is half a dps race, half needing to close rifts. than you go and spank the dreadnaught completely ignoring all its minions. and again, its another dps race.
at least in other mmos, they would make the minions more noticeable, make you use an offtank to kite them around, or keep them busy. but no, in this we just hurry up and kill the boss, than clean up.
cryptic is probably one of the least imaginative developer of boss fights, and just regular fights in general.. i mean, they still havnt broken away from the warp in, destroy 5 ships, beam down, kill 5 mobs, beam up, kill 3 more waves of ships, the end..
1) Completely out of control DPS (And they added even more with S10.5)
2) New zombie mode (Combine ship traits Invincible+Tactical Retreat+Desperate Repairs)
3) There is absolutely no need for placates to exist in the game, yet they insist on adding them
4) Cooldowns are pretty much irrelevant given all the CD reductions in the game.
Right before DR, things weren't balanced, but they weren't completely out of control. Balance got thrown out the window and left behind forever given all the changes since then.
You guys remember the last Winter Event? When the Breen Sarr Theln was released? The Sarr Theln's mastery trait in conjunction with one of the DR-release Fed T6 ships' traits caused serious issues. To the extent that when the effects of those 2 traits combined, EVERYONE in that instance would lag out, get "Server Not Responding" and the eventual Disconnect. It took Cryptic a few weeks to figure out how to fix it, but it did get taken cared of.
And that's just one group of additions since DR hit. With all the traits, bonuses that are now lying underneath STO's hood, it doesn't surprise me there's lag issues with STO that's gotten worse after DR. Even Cryptic has said themselves some of these traits are guilty of causing these lag issues and are continuously trying to figure it out.
For nostalgia regarding the Sarr Theln's trait that used to be broken:
http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums#/discussion/1174557/carrier-tier-5-trait-bug
http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums#/discussion/1175464/crippling-instance-lag-results-from-interaction-between-the-2-nanite-starship-traits
http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums#/discussion/1176571/combination-of-traits-reactive-repair-nanites-and-radiant-nanite-cloud-broken
Relive the good times folks! It's never the game's fault for lag!
As for me, I'm chasing improvements on what I fly, not the #1 DPS spot. The lessons I learn help other people build their theme ships AND do well in the content that they're playing, making it more fun for them.
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Sorry, but you need less than half of that for minimum requirement dps for Advance content ingame.
This is pure imagination. Troll bait. Baseless anti DPS propaganda.
Where did you get that number? The minimum DPS requirement for advance requirement and below is very low compared to the maximum potential.
All here are star trek fans. The main difference is competence. Certain players are not competitive by choice or really incompetent.
No one needs to do 100k. 100k+ DPS is optional. Doing it is like spending your time in ESD rather than doing missions or spending time dressing your toon changing the design of your uniform. Optional.
Sorry subjective. Every game has a damage requirement. You go to other MMO you still have a damage requirement.
It tells me what kind of player you are. Space bar really? is that the level of your knowledge in game that Space bare=DPS?
In game, Space bar mashing = noob/lazy player
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Same here. My goal is to be the best Ambassador pilot I can be and hopefully use that to eventually help others. Someday. Its still a learning process.
I'm in the Ambassador club as well. I'm still learning my ship. And showing others the old girl can still get the job done.
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I think a lot of us are in the same boat. In my case, I want to know how far I can push a Pathfinder torpedo platform. I don't care about how much higher or lower others are in relation to me in the charts. If I wanted top DPS, I won't be flying an Intrepid. In fact, there was even a thread in the forums a few weeks ago calling the seating of the Pathfinder "objectively bad". However, I'm a Voyager fan so I just find enjoyment in tinkering and experimenting with item and skill combinations to squeeze out performance from my little Intrepid.
Not everyone who chases DPS is there to compete in the top tier. Some just like to fly the ships they loved from the shows and improve their ships and piloting in the process. Their rise in DPS is just the end result of that.
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Aye, any lag on the server is caused by crossreferencing calculations, where millions of calculations have to run against millions of other calculations multiplying quickly into trillions of possible outcomes.
People who don't program probably don't understand that it's usually the seemingly simplest little line of code- and not the flashy graphical interface- that will wreck your day.
You doing PvP has nothing to do with this thread. It is you spewing misinformation and fallacies. Space bar mashing is one of the worst ways of getting of DPS.
If you have an easy time doing normal start doing advance. if you have an easy time doing advance start doing elite. Dont choose easy elites, choose the hardest elites. There are quite a handful of people who can faceroll the hardest elite STFs in this game. And your not one of them.
If you want something more difficult than what you are doing, you go more for difficult content. Dont come here in this forum and spew lies and tell us everything is easy except what you have done is only the normal, advance or easiset elites but totally avoided the hardest elite in the game.
If you were a player who can faceroll the hardest elites I might believe you that the game is too easy for your tastes. But you arent one of those players who can finish the hardest elites without sweat nor is your information factual or accurate.
The whole point is you cannot spew numbers out of the blue attach it as fact which you have done in this thread multiple times. 15% now 50%. Get your numbers from official numbers. If you dont have any information, then whatever you said is not factual but lies.
So? The game doesnt care about many years you have played. It only cares if you know the mechanics or not.
There are damage minimum requirements in any game. I dont see anything bothersome to have minimum damage requirements in this game especially if the minimum damage requirement for advance is less than 5% of maximum potential.
The Uber DPS guys has nothing to do with the lag nor your success or failure in this game. Blame yourself for your failures in the game.
And... this is the kinda idiot which ends up on ignore lists instantly in game.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
I play the game for fun. MY fun.
What you consider to be fun or boring? http://giant.gfycat.com/TimelyScaredBellsnake.gif
Its as if fun is a subjective opinion that varies from captain to captain. Fascinating.
it's also as if some people can't wrap their heads around the idea that others can have different preferences in what they like or consider fun. Like the poster you quoted.
I'd go as far as say it's selfish and narcissistic; they don't consider "X" to be fun, so anyone who goes after "X" must not be playing for fun. the world revolves around them you know.
Agreed. It's also another form of elitism too, the kind of elitism they accuse DPS players of.
TBH I don't know what all the animosity is about. They don't want to chase DPS and that's fine if that's what they want to do. They don't need to hit 100k++, nobody does. However, if someone else finds chasing numbers fun, they start calling them names...
Fascinating indeed.
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I see no problem but created by your imagination.
Have you actually done elite STFs? Because if it is justs damage, you wont be able to finish any of the hard elites. Its just like any other game. You die, you dont survive you cannot DPS nor deal damage. You dont do hard counters vs NPCs, you stop doing anything, you die, you dont deal damage.
The same can be said of advance queues except in lower forms of magnitudes than the hardest elite. You need to survive and deal damage like any other game except lower than elites. We can go on with normal which is lower than advance.
Its just in this game, people like yourself create anti-DPS stigma before even understanding the mechanics of the game or even being actually competent in the game.
Where is your fact coming from? your imagination? Give proof and we will talk back rather than basing this from your self created "facts" and self importance of your personal views which have no basis of facts.
DPS race is a figment of imagination. The game is not forcing to do DPS race. A player doing 5k DPS or 100k DPS or 200k DPS will still finish an advance queue.
DPS is one of the communities in the game, if you dont like doing 100k or 200k DPS, then dont do 100k or 200k DPS. Those who do it are having fun.
It is no different from the role playing community. Nor people staying in ESD 24/7.
Except players create DPS hatred or anti-propaganda like yourself and the OP. Seems to me the problem comes from players like you and the OP.