Romulus is never destroyed; New Romulus is never founded and its gateway is never found.
Species 8472 is never agitated into aggressiveness against the beta-quadrant species (just the Borg).
EDIT (thanks, happyhappyj0yj0y): The KDF never withdraws from the Khitomer Accords over 8472 infiltration, so no war with the UFP.
The Vaadwuar and Elachi never become servitors. The Solanae might not either, but we'd never see their spheres anyway. So we'd never go to the Delta Quadrant, either.
The Delta Alliance never forms.
Our fleets loose every holding except the dilithium mine.
The Krenim are restored as the Vaadwar and Heralds were never sent to destroy them. We never met them and have no access to the Delta Quadrant, but they still have the temporal weapon.
Did I miss anything? (probably, but I think I hit all the high notes)
In short, even limiting the temporal incursion to literally just the surviving Iconians themselves, the entire game becomes a paradox. Ergo, either the plot will ignore the consequences, the weapon will NOT be used, or the weapon will fail.
Which could make sense. After all, if Iconians can't time travel, why should we think the temporal weapon even COULD erase them?
It really is a giant pain, and removing anything large will have consequences. Even if we were to go and save the iconians on their homeworld two hundred thousand years ago we have to deal with all you have said. Ergo to do the least damage, the Iconians must do everything they have done right up to the point they show up with their sphere. I'm not sure what we can remove from the timeline that would cause them to not attack.
Perhaps the fish dinner that M'Tara had before attacking so she has to eat the under cooked chicken meal and calls the attack off on account of tummy ache?
The time weapon is like having an issue with the end of a string in a scarf, and pulling the entire string out. It might fix the problem, but it will probably also unravel the scarf.
Dude... I'll say it now... The only reason for this Krenim weapon is for us to **** up the timeline... I'll gamble an Elachi Monbosh and three Beagles... the plot for the next mission will be...
"Fire weapon.. Krenim Imperium is restored... battle the Krenim... Destroy Timeship... Time restores itself... back to square 1."
Or maybe the Borg, Romulans w/e get it... either way I think it'll blow up... thus returning us to the origonal timeline.
I saw a suggestion that a player made earlier... and it kind of makes sense. There is a critical point in the entire war that which the Iconian's victory pretty much screwed us over. It's the destruction of the Preserver's world. If we were to simply go back in time to just before the battle and when the flagship arrives, we remove it from the timeline from THAT point on... it could stop the war. The Preservers would then have the time they need to act.
Annorax taught us the dangers of wiping out homeworlds... temporal incursions are very tricky things. Wipe out the species, but retain the world itself so it can be inhabited by other beings.
I saw a suggestion that a player made earlier... and it kind of makes sense. There is a critical point in the entire war that which the Iconian's victory pretty much screwed us over. It's the destruction of the Preserver's world. If we were to simply go back in time to just before the battle and when the flagship arrives, we remove it from the timeline from THAT point on... it could stop the war. The Preservers would then have the time they need to act.
While I have no proof... It's possible... M'Tara was on that ship observing the destruction of the Preservers.
So... if we take her out... it could mean T'Ket is incharge.
I saw a suggestion that a player made earlier... and it kind of makes sense. There is a critical point in the entire war that which the Iconian's victory pretty much screwed us over. It's the destruction of the Preserver's world. If we were to simply go back in time to just before the battle and when the flagship arrives, we remove it from the timeline from THAT point on... it could stop the war. The Preservers would then have the time they need to act.
While I have no proof... It's possible... M'Tara was on that ship observing the destruction of the Preservers.
So... if we take her out... it could mean T'Ket is incharge.
From that point on, yes. M'Tara wouldn't be killed, just removed from the timeline. Once the Preservers are able to do something to stop the Iconians, we bring M'Tara back.
If it turns out that the "Other" isn't us, I think we should just hand them over to the Iconians before they attack. For all I know this "Other" might be T'ket's husband, or maybe the preservers didn't think ahead and only made one male? Either way, the whole would be as one and they could go off and have a life that does not include killing us.
If they only made one male who proceeded to colonise an entire planet and many colonies... Damn, lucky guy... Or maybe not... I suppose by then it would be a chore...
If they only made one male who proceeded to colonise an entire planet and many colonies... Damn, lucky guy... Or maybe not... I suppose by then it would be a chore...
I don't really know. I don't think you could have one male for a civilization of possible millions. So if the "Other" is a male Iconian, I can only hope that it is a designation, and not really just one guy.
On the other hand if you never die, then even one male is enough for population growth. It just takes a really long time.
On the Snu snu front, I think Iconians predate the preservers deciding that the stuff they make should be able to interbreed. There is not going to be a featured episode called "Iconia Needs Men!" Or "Amazon Aliens from Andromeda!".
Temporal chroniton particle temporal destruction attack, wipe Iconian from current time, do nothing to the past?
Hast thou not gone against sincerity
Hast thou not felt ashamed of thy words and deeds
Hast thou not lacked vigor
Hast thou exerted all possible efforts
Hast thou not become slothful
I think the whole war story and the Iconians themselves have been handled badly. Story wise I have stopped caring and even if it had a story there are too many glitches and problems that would stop any enjoyment.
It really is a giant pain, and removing anything large will have consequences. Even if we were to go and save the iconians on their homeworld two hundred thousand years ago we have to deal with all you have said. Ergo to do the least damage, the Iconians must do everything they have done right up to the point they show up with their sphere. I'm not sure what we can remove from the timeline that would cause them to not attack.
Perhaps the fish dinner that M'Tara had before attacking so she has to eat the under cooked chicken meal and calls the attack off on account of tummy ache?
The time weapon is like having an issue with the end of a string in a scarf, and pulling the entire string out. It might fix the problem, but it will probably also unravel the scarf.
The best target for the weapon IS the weapon. Just set it to fire and abandon ship. Get rid of the one thing more dangerous than the iconians.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
Temporal chroniton particle temporal destruction attack, wipe Iconian from current time, do nothing to the past?
that may be the plan. It'd be a weapon that could kill Iconians. Remove them from the timestream without erasing them from time
What would be the point of this? If you aren't erasing them from time, then why build a time weapon? We can already kill them. We already HAVE weapons that can kill them. Building a super duper time destroying weapon, just to kill them is, well, its cryptic writing...aka, terrible.
If you just want to kill an Iconian, send 3 pakled ensigns to play with the power supply and you win. No need for a time destroying weapon just to kill one.
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The second was caused by the first, so without 8472 infiltration there'd be no UFP/KDF war...
Perhaps the fish dinner that M'Tara had before attacking so she has to eat the under cooked chicken meal and calls the attack off on account of tummy ache?
The time weapon is like having an issue with the end of a string in a scarf, and pulling the entire string out. It might fix the problem, but it will probably also unravel the scarf.
"Fire weapon.. Krenim Imperium is restored... battle the Krenim... Destroy Timeship... Time restores itself... back to square 1."
Or maybe the Borg, Romulans w/e get it... either way I think it'll blow up... thus returning us to the origonal timeline.
That darn Sela and her being an actually competent villain! I guess that is why she is still out there.
Snark aside, I do think that keeping it out of the hands of Sela is good a reason as any to scrap it.
While I have no proof... It's possible... M'Tara was on that ship observing the destruction of the Preservers.
So... if we take her out... it could mean T'Ket is incharge.
From that point on, yes. M'Tara wouldn't be killed, just removed from the timeline. Once the Preservers are able to do something to stop the Iconians, we bring M'Tara back.
I laughed... hard... and then thought of this!
On the other hand if you never die, then even one male is enough for population growth. It just takes a really long time.
On the Snu snu front, I think Iconians predate the preservers deciding that the stuff they make should be able to interbreed. There is not going to be a featured episode called "Iconia Needs Men!" Or "Amazon Aliens from Andromeda!".
Hast thou not felt ashamed of thy words and deeds
Hast thou not lacked vigor
Hast thou exerted all possible efforts
Hast thou not become slothful
that may be the plan. It'd be a weapon that could kill Iconians. Remove them from the timestream without erasing them from time
The best target for the weapon IS the weapon. Just set it to fire and abandon ship. Get rid of the one thing more dangerous than the iconians.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
What would be the point of this? If you aren't erasing them from time, then why build a time weapon? We can already kill them. We already HAVE weapons that can kill them. Building a super duper time destroying weapon, just to kill them is, well, its cryptic writing...aka, terrible.
If you just want to kill an Iconian, send 3 pakled ensigns to play with the power supply and you win. No need for a time destroying weapon just to kill one.