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The Krenim Weapon Ship DOES NOT "TIME TRAVEL"

gradiigradii Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
Every time I see someone suggest we use it to do so I facepalm. that is NOT what it does. the most it "moves" itself in time is to use the temporal shielding.

The Ship REMOVES THINGS FROM ALL TIME. That means THEY NEVER EXISTED, and anything which interacted with them never interacted with them.

It is the Ultimate universe F*ck up Machine. Only Q has ever messed with the universe more than this does, and he was punished by the continuum for causing chaos (Deja' Q episode, TNG)

It's a danger to everything which exists.

"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."

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  • arachnaasarachnaas Member Posts: 118 Arc User
    There are other ways to travel back in time, night of the comet is a good example. I think people are trying to come up with time related ideas due to the fact we have the krenim, and the stated inability of Iconians to deal with time travel.

    But no the Krenim time ship has not been shown to go back and forth in time. It might as well be the deathstar, and you don't build one of those to start a military invasion, you build it to blow up planets.
  • makocallowaymakocalloway Member Posts: 455 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    arachnaas wrote: »
    There are other ways to travel back in time, night of the comet is a good example. I think people are trying to come up with time related ideas due to the fact we have the krenim, and the stated inability of Iconians to deal with time travel.

    But no the Krenim time ship has not been shown to go back and forth in time. It might as well be the deathstar, and you don't build one of those to start a military invasion, you build it to blow up planets.

    Ive thought of that too....why arnt we just using the gateway of forever or the trusty slingshot around the sun?
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  • arachnaasarachnaas Member Posts: 118 Arc User
    arachnaas wrote: »
    There are other ways to travel back in time, night of the comet is a good example. I think people are trying to come up with time related ideas due to the fact we have the krenim, and the stated inability of Iconians to deal with time travel.

    But no the Krenim time ship has not been shown to go back and forth in time. It might as well be the deathstar, and you don't build one of those to start a military invasion, you build it to blow up planets.

    Ive thought of that too....why arnt we just using the gateway of forever or the trusty slingshot around the sun?

    Wouldn't involve the voyager cast.
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited July 2015
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    You are right OP, it isn't a proper Time Machine. But it tampers with it. I mentioned before in a different thread that the Krenim weapon, Annorax, the alteration of past events to try to come up with a favorable future reminds me of the comedy, "The Butterfly Effect." Which was supposed to be a serious movie, BTW >:) The thing is, something gets altered to what one believed to be a favorable outcome, but in the end, it GETS ALL F**KED UP, despite the best of attentions. The VOY episode was like that :p
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    Actually... Annorax's ship didn't time travel.... THIS ship? well, it might have a few upgrades courtesy of our Borg friend.
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,919 Arc User
    It's a poor solution at best..

    The potential damage from using this time ship are much worse then anything the Iconians can possibly do. This 'solution' is like shooting yourself in the head to make sure you don't get a stomach ache.​​
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  • a3001a3001 Member Posts: 1,132 Arc User
    Are we REALLY going to argue semantics over the internet?
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,016 Arc User
    The only way you can time-travel via the timeship is to enter it and sit in there for whatever time you like since you stop aging inside of it and then after a certain amount of time passed (which you experience in real-time, however) step out of it again.​​
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  • gradiigradii Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    a3001 wrote: »
    Are we REALLY going to argue semantics over the internet?

    It's not semantics, its about WHAT function the ship performs. not what to call said function.


    "He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
    Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
    he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
    In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
    He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
    He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
    He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
    He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
  • isthisscienceisthisscience Member Posts: 863 Arc User
    It does make very little sense that we'd put all this effort into changing the timeline in a far more dangerous way than we would do if we used technology we've had since the 23rd century! Erasing something from the timeline we can't go back and fix and will have massive knock on effects if aimed at anything remotely useful considering how ancient the Ionians are. On the other hand, a quick jaunt back in time every now and then using a slingshot or such like could turn the tide of the war by knowing when to engage, when not to engage, what to try and what won't work. Changing time through small cuts (Max Caufield style). The fight should not be to build the Kremlin weapon, it should be an internal struggle with Temporal Affairs - past, present and future.
  • medalionemissarymedalionemissary Member Posts: 612 Arc User
    I want to know who actually thought this ship actually time travelled in the "traditional sense". People who think this, either never saw the episode, or forgot how it worked. It was clearly spelt out in the show's main plot device point, the thing shoots a beam to remove elements from the Timeline... and that the ship can exist outside the space-time continuum.
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  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,376 Arc User
    Wait... what if we took this ship... flew it around the Bepi Star a few hundred times... wiped out the Iconians/Heralds/Elachi/Deferi and wherever the Tovan Khev bloodline is at this point... went into Stassis for 200k years... Boom... done!
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  • mrspidey2mrspidey2 Member Posts: 959 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    thay8472 wrote: »
    Wait... what if we took this ship... flew it around the Bepi Star a few hundred times... wiped out the Iconians/Heralds/Elachi/Deferi and wherever the Tovan Khev bloodline is at this point... went into Stassis for 200k years... Boom... done!
    If you want to erase someone from the timeline, it doesn't matter when you do it. They won't have existed either way. The slingshot would be utterly pointless.

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  • gradiigradii Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    I do not understand the hate for Tovan Khev.
    I mean, aside from how he's always somehow the first to die in ground missions regardless of how you gear him..

    "He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
    Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
    he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
    In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
    He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
    He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
    He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
    He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    gradii wrote: »
    I do not understand the hate for Tovan Khev.
    I mean, aside from how he's always somehow the first to die in ground missions regardless of how you gear him..

    I think it mostly has to do with the fact, that he never leaves, even after he has accomplished what he set out to do in the first place.

    He's more annoying, than a Tic!
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    I think people in general look at it wrong...

    NO! The ship does not move through time. It stops the effects of time internally, and shields itself from the effects of any changes made in the timeline, much like Voyagers temporal shielding did.

    However, they won't be using the ship to remove the Iconians... 200,000 years of history? That would be impossible to predict... WAY too many factors, and lets not even forget that they'd have to re-write all Star Trek history from before the destruction of Romulus... and that means removing the Klingon war, the Romulan republic...

    The ship will most likely be used for some kind of massive screwup, that we will then have to correct.
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    The Krenim ship might not be able to, but the new T7 El-Aurian ship can...

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  • willamsheridanwillamsheridan Member Posts: 1,189 Arc User
    Now something i thought about, since the Krenim ship does really not time travel,: If we use the ship to wipe out the iconians completely, that would change history so that the Galaxy-Class USS Yamato could still exist, the Jem'Hadar never found the Gate and, more Importantly for STO, we never made Peace with the Klingons, found the Krenim, build the ship. So after we use it, the whole Galaxy would be different, maybe the Krenim are extinkt and the ones on our ship are the only survivors, or they have a huge Empire. No one outside the ship would know what happened. And even Romulus could still exist/exist again. But it could be populated with Remans, or Borg ( connection to the new ST films with the borgified Nerada and to theSTO missions where the Romulans experiment on Borg Tech)
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