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  • svindal777svindal777 Member Posts: 856 Arc User
    People couldn't keep there mouths shut about it. So they had to shut it down.
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,921 Arc User
    People like you...
  • berginsbergins Member Posts: 3,454 Arc User
    Despite warnings about such things, people kept mentioning them by name here...

    Oh look...
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  • khan1000khan1000 Member Posts: 264 Arc User
    the leaks are gone there no harm to be done anymore
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  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    Apparently, people still can't keep silent about it. Seriously, when something is a violation of the EULA, posting about it in the official fora, and especially in the most heavily trafficked of the fora (this hyar "General Discussion" forum), is a sure way to get someone in trouble. Tact is all too rare these days, I suppose.

    I have mixed feelings about it myself. On the one hand, it was a useful source of information (even if it sometimes got things wrong, since things can change significantly from design to implementation). On the other hand, it was a violation of the End-User License Agreement.
  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,708 Arc User
    If we're lucky it will return in 3-6 months when blabbermouths have largely forgotten about them, but for now we have to do without our sneak preview source.​​
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  • groomofweirdgroomofweird Member Posts: 1,045 Arc User
    THIS is why we cant have nice things...
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  • leceterleceter Member Posts: 196 Arc User
    Sto is not worth the afford of hacking/leaking.
  • sheldonlcoopersheldonlcooper Member Posts: 4,042 Arc User
    leceter wrote: »
    Sto is not worth the afford of hacking/leaking.

    They could no longer afford to make the effort :(
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  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    It hasn't actually gone I don't think. It's just locked behind closed doors now (whereas before, it was open to the public).
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  • leceterleceter Member Posts: 196 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    I'd rather create an unbelievable horrible foundry mission, than stupidly wasting time on extracting some info, that is outdated in a week. No matter if public or closed.
  • vegeta50024vegeta50024 Member Posts: 2,336 Arc User
    leceter wrote: »
    I'd rather create an unbelievable horrible foundry mission, than stupidly wasting time on extracting some info, that is outdated in a week. No matter if public or closed.

    Some of the stuff on there wasn't quite outdated. We've known about some of the stuff for a while.

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  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    Snitches get stitches.
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  • sirmaydaysirmayday Member Posts: 535 Arc User
    Y'know, in a way, it was a beautiful thing, EULA violation non-withstanding. They got to practice datamining (itself a valuable skill with legitimate uses), and we got neat sneak peaks at stuff. I don't see how it hurt Cryptic (though it may've in some way I don't see), and they seemed to let it slide as an 'open secret' of the community. You don't see developer and community... tolerate each others foibles like that too often, and it's sad to see this case get pushed too far.
  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    People can't keep doing bad things and don't expect to get caught. Sooner or later it will finally catch up to you.
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  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    sirmayday wrote: »
    I don't see how it hurt Cryptic (though it may've in some way I don't see)

    There are people at PWE/Cryptic who get paid for releasing information to the playerbase. There's department called "Marketing" that has employees who are both loathed and loved (kind of like lawyers, since the game can't function without them). That is really the only harm these leaks do.

    They are doing for free what people get a paycheck to do. I have no opinion on it one way or the other, I'm just saying that's the harm, and other game developers are the same way when it comes to data mining and leaks.

    The IQ Fleet cut out the Middle Man, and Middle Men don't take kindly to being cut out.
    and they seemed to let it slide as an 'open secret' of the community.

    Apparently, that's not the case.
    You don't see developer and community... tolerate each others foibles like that too often, and it's sad to see this case get pushed too far.

    I think they tolerated it as best as they could. But instead of players remembering that these leaks are against the EULA and that they should remember to at least pretend -- they decided to brag about it and talk about it on the STO forums at great length.

    It's kind of like stealing office supplies. Sure, people can get away with stealing a coffee mug or a pen here and there, but when you start getting employees putting office supplies on fork lifts and putting it in the back of their pick-up truck and asking management to help strap it down, you've completely disregarded the idea that what you're doing is wrong.

    We've had threads about leaks and slamming Cryptic over unreleased information brought about by datamining. That's the equivelant of asking management to help you steal office supplies.

    People decided to be dumb. There's no other way to put it.
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  • cidjackcidjack Member Posts: 2,017 Arc User
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  • sirmaydaysirmayday Member Posts: 535 Arc User
    You're right, Iconians, it did theoretically pose a threat to marketing. I, for one, got a kick out of seeing just how close to right IQ could get by checking it against the dev blogs, but I could see leaks meaningfully impacting marketing efforts.
  • sunfranckssunfrancks Member Posts: 3,925 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    It is really simple, people just would not shut up about them, despite clear instructions on the site to "not mentioning them on these forums" so they closed it down.

    Hoping it comes back, but somehow I doubt it.

    So now we have to go back to being at the whim of the Cryptic devs, never letting any info out about anything, until 2 days before release.

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  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    sunfrancks wrote: »
    So now we have to go back to being at the whim of the Cryptic devs, never letting any info out about anything, until 2 days before release

    Yes, but that information is always subject to change. Cryptic can always massively alter the thing in the dev blog as a result of 2 days of player feedback before it gets rel- BWAHAHAHAAHAHAHA. Oh man, I can't finish that with a straight face.
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  • litchy74litchy74 Member Posts: 417 Arc User
    There goes all your informed buying decisions, I personally stayed away from the episode leaks, wanted it to be a nice surprise but the ship package leaks I welcomed as money doesn't grow on trees and to buy certain ship upgrades only to find a better T6 item the next day with no warning (yes devs you have burned us) just makes me want to hold onto my money and not risk it on the game.

    BTW bought the alot of c-store items/ships, but now not knowing whats on the horizon I'll hold off.

    Funny thing is all the devs have done is shoot themselves in the foot, now I wont spend anything incase theres something better.

    What we need is a trailer/coming soon even a teaser about c-store (cost you money) items other wise no one spends while waiting for the 'what if next'......
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  • sirmaydaysirmayday Member Posts: 535 Arc User
    litchy74 wrote: »
    There goes all your informed buying decisions... What we need is a trailer/coming soon even a teaser about c-store (cost you money) items other wise no one spends while waiting for the 'what if next'......

    There's a good point, on both sides. Unauthorized C-Store previews undermined Cryptic's sales model (in practice if not theory), but Cryptic's model is arguably unfair to consumers. I know it's affected my plans for how to spend my zen, and without sufficient advance previews, I may wait quite some time before committing to a purchase.
  • sunfranckssunfrancks Member Posts: 3,925 Arc User
    iconians wrote: »
    sunfrancks wrote: »
    So now we have to go back to being at the whim of the Cryptic devs, never letting any info out about anything, until 2 days before release

    Yes, but that information is always subject to change. Cryptic can always massively alter the thing in the dev blog as a result of 2 days of player feedback before it gets rel- BWAHAHAHAAHAHAHA. Oh man, I can't finish that with a straight face.

    Lol, we both know how it is. ;)

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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,919 Arc User
    sunfrancks wrote: »
    It is really simple, people just would not shut up about them, despite clear instructions on the site to "not mentioning them on these forums" so they closed it down.

    Then they're idiots.

    You don't go and find this information, buy a domain, build a web site and post it for everyone to see if you don't want people to talk about it. If that's true then it's absolutely ridiculous. If I find something about the game and I don't want the public to know, the last thing I'm going to do is post it on a web site. I would tell people I know. or at most post it on a site that only my friends/guild/fleet/etc could see.

    IQ Fleet gets the bulk of their information from dissecting updates like the Season 10.5 pre-load.. that's where the information comes from. So right now, they simply have nothing to report. They're gone until they have something relevant to say, no other reason. People who talked about it on this forum did exactly what anyone with any sense would expect them to do. If IQ didn't want their stuff going public, then they shouldn't have put it on Twitter and a publicly viewable web page.

    To blame people for discussing information decimated to them in a public forum makes no sense.​​
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  • lsegnlsegn Member Posts: 594 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    For the love of God stop bringing them up!
  • lsegnlsegn Member Posts: 594 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    One thing I don't understand is why Cryptic gets so pissed off when theoretically they could just not patch things until they are released. I'm pretty sure it's not rocket science...

    I may get pissed if I get robbed but if leave my doors unlocked and put a 'Welcome Robbers' sign on the porch I shouldn't expect anything less. From what I understand all they do is read game files from the latest patches... Anyone who can read can do that.

    Put a lid on the TRIBBLE cookie jar Cryptic!
  • sirmaydaysirmayday Member Posts: 535 Arc User
    lsegn wrote: »
    One thing I don't understand is why Cryptic gets so pissed off when theoretically they could just not patch things until they are released....

    Put a lid on the... cookie jar Cryptic!

    Then we'd complain about how heavy the metaphorical lid was. Without some level of pre-patching, we'd be looking at some pretty hefty downloads.
  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    sunfrancks wrote: »
    It is really simple, people just would not shut up about them, despite clear instructions on the site to "not mentioning them on these forums" so they closed it down.

    Then they're idiots.

    You don't go and find this information, buy a domain, build a web site and post it for everyone to see if you don't want people to talk about it. If that's true then it's absolutely ridiculous. If I find something about the game and I don't want the public to know, the last thing I'm going to do is post it on a web site. I would tell people I know. or at most post it on a site that only my friends/guild/fleet/etc could see.

    IQ Fleet gets the bulk of their information from dissecting updates like the Season 10.5 pre-load.. that's where the information comes from. So right now, they simply have nothing to report. They're gone until they have something relevant to say, no other reason. People who talked about it on this forum did exactly what anyone with any sense would expect them to do. If IQ didn't want their stuff going public, then they shouldn't have put it on Twitter and a publicly viewable web page.

    To blame people for discussing information decimated to them in a public forum makes no sense.​​

    1: It's not that they were talking about it. It's that they were talking about it in the official STO forums. I sincerely doubt PWE or Cryptic would care or do much about people discussing data leaks in another forum.

    Talking about information leaks on the official forums is just plain stupidity.

    2: This isn't a public forum, it's a private forum owned by PWE. They set the rules.

    3: The IQ Fleet are also idiots if that was their actual fleet name. You are right about giving them partial blame. If I were to do something like IQ Fleet, I would A: Not use my in-game fleet name on the website used for information leaks. B: Not advertise who I was or what fleet I belonged to on that website OR the STO forums.

    If Cryptic sent them a cease-and-desist letter, that's really on them for bragging about who they were. They should have used a fleet pen name and anonymous names that couldn't be tied to their PW account or in-game organization.

    Smartest fleet, indeed.
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  • vegeta50024vegeta50024 Member Posts: 2,336 Arc User
    sunfrancks wrote: »
    It is really simple, people just would not shut up about them, despite clear instructions on the site to "not mentioning them on these forums" so they closed it down.

    Then they're idiots.

    You don't go and find this information, buy a domain, build a web site and post it for everyone to see if you don't want people to talk about it. If that's true then it's absolutely ridiculous. If I find something about the game and I don't want the public to know, the last thing I'm going to do is post it on a web site. I would tell people I know. or at most post it on a site that only my friends/guild/fleet/etc could see.

    IQ Fleet gets the bulk of their information from dissecting updates like the Season 10.5 pre-load.. that's where the information comes from. So right now, they simply have nothing to report. They're gone until they have something relevant to say, no other reason. People who talked about it on this forum did exactly what anyone with any sense would expect them to do. If IQ didn't want their stuff going public, then they shouldn't have put it on Twitter and a publicly viewable web page.

    To blame people for discussing information decimated to them in a public forum makes no sense.​​

    Actually, they say they're closing it down due to a couple of recent scares they have had. They may come back once the situation dies down a bit.

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