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Kremin Weapon - Will it Even be used ?

Do you think the Alliance will even get to use this weapon ?
Or do you think it'll be like the Super weapon in Mass Effect 3, constructed but never used ?

I get the feeling we wont even use this weapon... Just a hunch I have.


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  • mrspidey2mrspidey2 Member Posts: 959 Arc User
    A certain little bird showed me a screenshot of the finished ship, so yes.
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  • gradiigradii Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    We'll never use it because it's as dangerous to us as the Iconians, and it goes against everything we stand for.
    But the Krenim will use it. After they steal it.

    At least if cryptic had a half decent writer anyway.

    "He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
    Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
    he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
    In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
    He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
    He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
    He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
    He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
  • taylor1701dtaylor1701d Member Posts: 3,099 Arc User
    gradii wrote: »
    We'll never use it because it's as dangerous to us as the Iconians, and it goes against everything we stand for.
    But the Krenim will use it. After they steal it.

    At least if cryptic had a half decent writer anyway.

    ^ Now that would be a pretty interesting twist. And would let the Alliance off the hook for using an unethical weapon.

    Still I don't like that the Alliance is even considering this.
    *But during the latest FE, you're captain does have the option to voice their disapproval of the plan.
    Wonder if that may come into play somehow.






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  • dareaudareau Member Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    Considering the following:

    Timeship = "plot reset" allowing the war to end and the game to move onto the next "war"
    "Human" nature - nobody builds a toy like that with the intent of never using it. Someone's going to use it.

    However, the game has an issue (yes, I'm going meta here). If it's used as everyone expects (ie, wipe Iconians, or watch Krenim wipe Vaadwaur) - we generate a paradox - say the Krenim do their thing to the Vaadwaur, how do you "justify" the continued existence of Vaadwaur oriented patrols / queues in the DQ if they never existed to generate that portion of the storyline?

    Thusly, I'm starting to see a very "limited" use of the time weapon. Say, wipe that Dreadnought which visited Laenas III. Suddenly, with the Preserver(s) to "aid" us, the Iconians are "convinced" to end the war and we move on. Timeship gets stolen by whoever's going to be the "big bad" of S11 on, and onward the game goes...

    Paradoxing away a 5-6 mission arc is "much better" than paradoxing away entire chunks of the game (aka seasons)

    And for those who wonder about the rationale for going so small with the target? Lesser ripples through the timestream and therefore less chance of needing to go all Annorax in an attempt to rebuild the universe "in the right way"... Holodeck simulations back this up...​​
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  • coupaholiccoupaholic Member Posts: 2,188 Arc User
    gradii wrote: »
    We'll never use it because it's as dangerous to us as the Iconians, and it goes against everything we stand for.
    But the Krenim will use it. After they steal it.

    At least if cryptic had a half decent writer anyway.

    ^ Now that would be a pretty interesting twist. And would let the Alliance off the hook for using an unethical weapon.

    Still I don't like that the Alliance is even considering this.
    *But during the latest FE, you're captain does have the option to voice their disapproval of the plan.
    Wonder if that may come into play somehow.

    Could be a chance to see some Alliance friction. With Captain Kagran and his decision making up to now I'm sure he's all for using the weapon if it means victory over the enemy. Seems happy enough to waste entire fleets after all.

    The Krenim complicating matters would be an interesting twist, but what would the Iconians be doing in the meantime? Happily depleting the entire universe of all life while we and the Krenim have our squabble?

    I think it will be used personally. No comment on the situation and the target, but purely from an MMO gameplay perspective the universe has to emerge from this arc more or less unscathed.​​
  • mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    First of all, OP... your hunch will be wrong, LOL.

    Second of all... I am curious as to how far down this rabbit hole we'll go. I don't think the Krenim will be "the bad" in S11 and beyond, because we have a fleet holding with them... unless the Krenim splinter into a Republic/Tal Shiar civil war. Also, temporal resets will be tricky in this game (as dareau pointed out), so I don't think that's the endgame plan for the war. You might get a mission that screws up the timeline, but we fix it in the same mission... that's about it.
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  • taylor1701dtaylor1701d Member Posts: 3,099 Arc User
    mhall85 wrote: »
    First of all, OP... your hunch will be wrong, LOL.

    Second of all... I am curious as to how far down this rabbit hole we'll go. I don't think the Krenim will be "the bad" in S11 and beyond, because we have a fleet holding with them... unless the Krenim splinter into a Republic/Tal Shiar civil war. Also, temporal resets will be tricky in this game (as dareau pointed out), so I don't think that's the endgame plan for the war. You might get a mission that screws up the timeline, but we fix it in the same mission... that's about it.

    May very well end up that way.. That would be terrible writing though.
    Since when does the Federation condone temporal warfare ?
    If anything (apart from a few examples) we see in the television series, The Federation has many rules against temporal tampering.

    That's why I figured there may be another way. And the fact that your captain can voice disagreement to the plan several times during the FE's, makes me wonder why that would even be a dialog option (if its going to be used - no matter what).
    Wishful thinking maybe for an MMO. Maybe it is all as simple as it seems.

    But, the solution seems "to easy", I dunno, I guess I'm having a hard time coming to grips with it.


    Another option could've been to recruit a Mirror universe Alliance to help even the odds. In the vein of, "what threatens us, threatens you" scenario, or even, using Mirror universe Iconians in some way against prime universe Iconians...
    ^ either of those seems reasonable to me, vs erasing a species from the time line.
    Just ideas here...just thinking aloud. I'm sure there is other viable options.








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  • gofasternowgofasternow Member Posts: 1,390 Arc User
    May very well end up that way.. That would be terrible writing though.
    Since when does the Federation condone temporal warfare ?
    If anything (apart from a few examples) we see in the television series, The Federation has many rules against temporal tampering.

    That's why I figured there may be another way. And the fact that your captain can voice disagreement to the plan several times during the FE's, makes me wonder why that would even be a dialog option (if its going to be used - no matter what).
    Wishful thinking maybe for an MMO. Maybe it is all as simple as it seems.

    But, the solution seems "to easy", I dunno, I guess I'm having a hard time coming to grips with it.

    Another option could've been to recruit a Mirror universe Alliance to help even the odds. In the vein of, "what threatens us, threatens you" scenario, or even, using Mirror universe Iconians in some way against prime universe Iconians...
    ^ either of those seems reasonable to me, vs erasing a species from the time line.
    Just ideas here...just thinking aloud. I'm sure there is other viable options.

    That's the problem you and just about everyone else is having with this plot, it feels like: you see a weapon being built, the first thing you guys think is "It's going to be used, it's going to be used on the bad guys and the story's gonna end there."

    Let's rattle off some counterpoints here:

    1) "That would be terrible writing though". Terrible writing when something futzes up and we have to fix it? No, that's not terrible writing. Terrible writing would be what everyone is saying will happen - that we essentially erase the entire season away by shooting the Iconians or something. THAT'S terrible writing. You guys don't want to think of other things because you're just so certain it'll end this way.

    2) "If anything (apart from a few examples) we see in the television series, The Federation has many rules against temporal tampering." You're right. Even more, there's a member of DTI there (your Delta Recruit contact) who is saying the Federation is keeping a close eye on this thing. They want the war to end, but they don't want the war to end if it's going to futz with time/space to a massive degree. If they're going to aim it at someone that would mess up time big time, then they're going to say "no".

    3) "And the fact that your captain can voice disagreement to the plan several times during the FE's, makes me wonder why that would even be a dialog option (if its going to be used - no matter what)." And you could speak your dissenting opinion to Tuvok in "A Step Between Stars" over opening the Iconian gateway into the Jenolan Dyson Sphere, but he had to do it.

    This is another problem everyone seems to have - despite the fact that you're a Fleet Admiral/Dahar Master, you're part of a team and there are other leaders chosen and it's not you because you're needed out there to kick TRIBBLE and survive. Yes, it would be neat for you to take over these teams. So, yes, even though you can speak up with how things are, you're going to be overruled because you're not the leader of the group.

    4) "Another option could've been to recruit a Mirror universe Alliance to help even the odds." The Terran Empire wouldn't give two craps about what's going on here. Neither would the Cardassian/Klingon Alliance. If the Terran Empire did, they would just focus on plowing through what's left of the Delta Alliance and the Iconians and take over here.

    As it stands, it seems that Sela's trying to recruit the Dominion, which is just as worse, if not more so, than the Iconians.
  • banatinebanatine Member Posts: 250 Arc User
    Why cant we just ask Q to deal with them? It would probably be less dangerous, and over all less stupid, that trusting the Krenim with a Temporal Weapon...

    That said, in this time line, i guess the temporal weapon hasnt existed yet for people to understand exactly what it will do, and why it is such an atrocity? But i havent played the FEs so i dunno, just my 2 EC.
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  • gradiigradii Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User

    Let's rattle off some counterpoints here:
    1) "That would be terrible writing though". Terrible writing when something futzes up and we have to fix it? No, that's not terrible writing. Terrible writing would be what everyone is saying will happen - that we essentially erase the entire season away by shooting the Iconians or something. THAT'S terrible writing. You guys don't want to think of other things because you're just so certain it'll end this way.

    No, the terrible writing is the possibility of the alliance condoning the use of this weapon. Are you paying any attention to the arguments or just repeating your own points constantly?
    This is another problem everyone seems to have - despite the fact that you're a Fleet Admiral/Dahar Master, you're part of a team and there are other leaders chosen and it's not you because you're needed out there to kick TRIBBLE and survive. Yes, it would be neat for you to take over these teams. So, yes, even though you can speak up with how things are, you're going to be overruled because you're not the leader of the group.

    And then you can rip off your pips and do what's right. Considering using the weapon would just most likely wipe out yourself along with the Iconians, that's what I'd do.

    the ONLY justification for going along with the plan is not knowing how the weapon works.


    "He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
    Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
    he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
    In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
    He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
    He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
    He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
    He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
  • taylor1701dtaylor1701d Member Posts: 3,099 Arc User
    You know what is interesting here, the fact that this dilemma is so controversial.
    Like many Trek episodes, there are no clear answers on the right thing to do.
    I kind of like this, as it's creating some debate/discussion on ethics.


    Wonder if that was the goal of the Devs.. (if so well done Devs)
    People have been asking for scenarios like this to be included in STO for a while now.
    I'm eagerly waiting to see what happens next, hoping we find another way, before there is no choice, but to use the weapon.



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  • dareaudareau Member Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    banatine wrote: »
    Why cant we just ask Q to deal with them? It would probably be less dangerous, and over all less stupid, that trusting the Krenim with a Temporal Weapon...

    That said, in this time line, i guess the temporal weapon hasnt existed yet for people to understand exactly what it will do, and why it is such an atrocity? But i havent played the FEs so i dunno, just my 2 EC.

    Points in inverse order:
    Nog and some of his staff/crew are cognizant of the potential of the weapon, holodeck simulations are being run "non stop" to see what erasure leads to the best result for the Alliance Power(s)

    Some people are. Now, the question will be is how the "standard plot trick of variable X not performing as expected / being forgotten about" will lead to a massive muck-up in the plot requiring much more repairs.

    As to Q? Considering his tendency to "muck with humanity", who's to say that he didn't "ring up" the Iconians and say that now would be a great time to reclaim the Milky Way? Or "our" Q / Q Jr. has been "blocked" by others in the Continuum from interfering because this is their test of "their pet race"? And anyway, the Q, for all their "lets mess with reality" etc., never do anything to really muck up reality - so other than information (which would be in the form of a Cryptic Riddle, anyway) if the Q were going to get involved, they'd have done so already. Unless the sign of "poor design" - not poor writing - aka use of the "this is just a dream" trope, is in play

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  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    I'd bet it'll get used to undesireable outcome, leading the player to put things back the way they were (=erasing the weapon just like was done in Voyager). That's just the way the timey-wimey ball works in Trek. Someone screws with the timeline, by accident or on purpose, and then the main characters have to fix it.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    gradii wrote: »
    We'll never use it because it's as dangerous to us as the Iconians, and it goes against everything we stand for.
    But the Krenim will use it. After they steal it.

    At least if cryptic had a half decent writer anyway.

    ^ Now that would be a pretty interesting twist. And would let the Alliance off the hook for using an unethical weapon.
    Sure, but does that seem like good writing to you?

    "OH, look, all the agony about the moral dilemma of using this weapon - and someone went out and just did it. Great, now let's reap the benefits and wash our hands in innocence."

    ---

    I doubt that the game will reset the timeline in some way. I think the weapon will be used in some way, but maybe not the way people expect it to be used.

    I would not even be surprised if we end up saving the ancient Iconians and giving them back to the last few Iconians making them realize the error of their ways and all ends in peace and happiness - but the fallout from the war is not gone - but we preserve the timetline because better the devil we know than the devil we don't know.

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  • crm14916crm14916 Member Posts: 1,545 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    Wouldn't that be something...

    At the end of this "Iconian War", we get an option...

    A ) you choose to use the weapon on the Iconians, in which case, you are automatically rebooted I into "Redshirt" server where the devs really have loaded Star Trek Online: Reboot...

    B ) you choose not to use the weapon on the Iconians, but instead shoot the Herald Sphere which strands a bunch of brain dead Iconians in the Andromeda galaxy where they become the puppets of the remnant of the Heralds...

    But I like some of the points brought up by taylor1701d and gofasternow... our characters have had a LOT of dialogue options to voice or opinions against the use of the machine. STO has surprised us in the past, and we ought to not make too many assumptions about what direction this story is going. I am eager to see how it plays out...

    CM

    p.s. It's NOT KREMIN!!! I'm just about as frustrated as Taco on this spelling thing...
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  • taylor1701dtaylor1701d Member Posts: 3,099 Arc User
    crm14916 wrote: »

    p.s. It's NOT KREMIN!!! I'm just about as frustrated as Taco on this spelling thing...

    "KRENIM"
    My bad. :)
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  • timelord79timelord79 Member Posts: 1,852 Arc User
    The weapon will be used, wiping out every event the iconians have manipulated and set into motion, meaning your character gets reset to cadet just about to go an an incredibly uneventful training cruise before graduationg. ;)
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  • lowy1lowy1 Member Posts: 964 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    I'm guessing it gets used and then Sela steals it to bring back Romulus or to use on Vulcan. She recruits either te Cardassians or the Dominion to help her secure it and then we go to war with the Gamma Quadrant.
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  • gradiigradii Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    timelord79 wrote: »
    The weapon will be used, wiping out every event the iconians have manipulated and set into motion, meaning your character gets reset to cadet just about to go an an incredibly uneventful training cruise before graduationg. ;)

    it's more likely to make our character/starfleet/romulan republic, and the klingon empire never have existed.

    "He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
    Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
    he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
    In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
    He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
    He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
    He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
    He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    The all-knowing, omnipotent, the Great Magic 8-Ball says:

    "All signs point to yes"
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  • sirmaydaysirmayday Member Posts: 535 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    Or do you think it'll be like the Super weapon in Mass Effect 3, constructed but never used ?

    Point of order, since I'm the biggest ME fan I know, the Crucible is used in almost every ending for Mass Effect 3 (only in the Refusal ending, added by the Extended Cut DLC, does it go unused). That said, it may still be a very fitting analogy; there are lots of things that can go wrong with using the Crucible, and even the 'best' outcomes aren't without their flaws. The Krenim timeship is arguably orders of magnitude more dangerous.
  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    mhall85 wrote: »
    First of all, OP... your hunch will be wrong, LOL.

    Second of all... I am curious as to how far down this rabbit hole we'll go. I don't think the Krenim will be "the bad" in S11 and beyond, because we have a fleet holding with them... unless the Krenim splinter into a Republic/Tal Shiar civil war. Also, temporal resets will be tricky in this game (as dareau pointed out), so I don't think that's the endgame plan for the war. You might get a mission that screws up the timeline, but we fix it in the same mission... that's about it.

    Indeed, and not only a fleet holding, but also now getting Krenim DOffs from the Lockboxes (mind you, I realize we also get DOffs from species with which we are at war, but it really seems like Cryptic is not going in this direction with the Krenim). In addition, many people seem to be forgetting that the Year of Hell never happened in this timeline. That means 2 things: 1. nobody in this timeline knows about it (with the possible exception of Kathryn Janeway and some of her crew (and I simply don't remember if they retained any memories of that or not), and 2. the Krenim nowadays probably have no plans to do likewise. Then you also have to consider that Red Forman -- err, sorry; Annorax -- was only one single Krenim, shattered by grief over the loss of his wife. Projecting his behavior onto his entire species is an example of Hasty Generalization and Racism.
  • hunteralpha84hunteralpha84 Member Posts: 524 Arc User
    dareau wrote: »
    However, the game has an issue (yes, I'm going meta here). If it's used as everyone expects (ie, wipe Iconians, or watch Krenim wipe Vaadwaur) - we generate a paradox - say the Krenim do their thing to the Vaadwaur, how do you "justify" the continued existence of Vaadwaur oriented patrols / queues in the DQ if they never existed to generate that portion of the storyline?​​

    Hmm I've always thought of every episode, mission, patrol and stf as only happening only once and every replay is a holodeck simulation.

    At this point in time we are at peace with the Klingons but I can just jump into starbase 24 and be at war with them again. So I think they could work eraser into the storyline without compromising gameplay.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    dareau wrote: »
    banatine wrote: »
    Why cant we just ask Q to deal with them? It would probably be less dangerous, and over all less stupid, that trusting the Krenim with a Temporal Weapon...

    That said, in this time line, i guess the temporal weapon hasnt existed yet for people to understand exactly what it will do, and why it is such an atrocity? But i havent played the FEs so i dunno, just my 2 EC.

    Points in inverse order:
    Nog and some of his staff/crew are cognizant of the potential of the weapon, holodeck simulations are being run "non stop" to see what erasure leads to the best result for the Alliance Power(s)

    Some people are. Now, the question will be is how the "standard plot trick of variable X not performing as expected / being forgotten about" will lead to a massive muck-up in the plot requiring much more repairs.

    As to Q? Considering his tendency to "muck with humanity", who's to say that he didn't "ring up" the Iconians and say that now would be a great time to reclaim the Milky Way? Or "our" Q / Q Jr. has been "blocked" by others in the Continuum from interfering because this is their test of "their pet race"? And anyway, the Q, for all their "lets mess with reality" etc., never do anything to really muck up reality - so other than information (which would be in the form of a Cryptic Riddle, anyway) if the Q were going to get involved, they'd have done so already. Unless the sign of "poor design" - not poor writing - aka use of the "this is just a dream" trope, is in play

    Edit reason: Name of the connector used by screwdrivers is censured...​​
    #1 flaw with this weapon.... NO ONE, maybe not even Q, has the data required to actually anticipate the outcome of using it. Proper use requires knowing everything that object/person/race/thing ever did.... EVER.

    We don't have that data.
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  • gradiigradii Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    The weapon ain't gonna be used by us. Maybe it won't be used by the krenim either... however just look at how eager they are to use that thing for "the possibilities" so yeahhh...

    Krenim fleet holding aside theres plenty of ways this can go which does not resort to the one worst possible option existing- to use the god gun.

    IF the writers were half competent. by now I really doubt that.

    "He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
    Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
    he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
    In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
    He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
    He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
    He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
    He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    Enh... but there are so many possibilities. :p
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,921 Arc User
    I think it has to be...if you played the latest episode you know what condition we're in...I just can't see how we wouldn't use it especially since it's getting closer to being complete.
  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    lianthelia wrote: »
    I think it has to be...if you played the latest episode you know what condition we're in...I just can't see how we wouldn't use it especially since it's getting closer to being complete.

    It's a textbook "Chekhov's gun." The very existence of the weapon necessitates its use. If it's not used, then it's completely plot-irrelevant and all the talk about it and in large parts the entire Krenim storyline itself is just a waste of time.

    Whether it gets used by the Alliance, the Krenim, or some rogue element (S31?) remains to be seen. I suppose the "Iconians steal it and use it against us" -scenario isn't impossible either. But someone will use it. And it'll all get reset in the end, because rewriting history across the entire game if not the entire Trek canon is very obviously not going to happen.
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    The Alliance could have simply took any ship, use it's gravity (or whatever) and slingshot it and travel back in time and figure out exactly how the Iconians were beaten the first time around. What, you don't believe this method of time travel hasn't been done before? TOS and STO would disagree with you!

    We simply could have done it this way, have some Temporal Agents aboard making sure we don't TRIBBLE anything up more than it needs to, and tell the Krenim to go TRIBBLE themselves and die at the hands of the Vaadwaur.
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  • coupaholiccoupaholic Member Posts: 2,188 Arc User
    The Alliance could have simply took any ship, use it's gravity (or whatever) and slingshot it and travel back in time and figure out exactly how the Iconians were beaten the first time around. What, you don't believe this method of time travel hasn't been done before? TOS and STO would disagree with you!

    Funny thing. We've done it as well. Remember the mission Night of the Comet? Our ship computers probably still has the old Bepi 113 computations knocking around in a .TXT file somewhere.​​
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