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Bug Hunt Elite Now Impossible to complete
stuart1965
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I noticed Bug Hunt Elite has now changed. When fighting the spawnmother, you have to protect Vandervior too.
That is Impossible. It can not be done. Cryptic you have spoiled the fun on this one. shame.
That is Impossible. It can not be done. Cryptic you have spoiled the fun on this one. shame.
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"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums#/discussion/1195714/new-mission-condition-in-bughunt-elite-is-stupid
Even tho the patch notes specifically say "No changes have been made to Elite queues.", this is not the case.
There is a new mission condition for Bug Hunt Elite that says Keep Lt. Der.. Alive, which is REALLY hard to do during the final battle with the spawnmother, failed it every time I've tried it today.
I would say that the Elite queues in general are too easy, with the exception of Hive.
Just tried it again. NO its not real easy. I went looking for Vandervior, and it was dead within 30 seconds. This mission is Far too Difficult now on a pug. Its become a co-ordinated mission like Brotherhood of the sword.
Cryptic, take that last bit off defending Vandervior. Its unfair.
GOOD!!!! We need more content that requires teamwork and co-ordination! It's an MMO!!!!
Oh well, it is an elite qeue dude. It is not supossed to be easy, but it is perfectly doable. As i said, i completed it 3 times in a row with 2 engineers in my team. In one of em he almost died, but he didnt.
Yes, it is difficult in a PuG. But, not impossible.
And yes that 30 secs is the correct observation. you need to nanny it while doing DPS in a PuG to prolong its survival or full DPS since a player can technically burst DPS for 3k+ within 30 secs assuming that the PuG teammates have abysmal DPS.
That would be laughable if not for the new armada system, which may actually help said premade teams become less stupidly difficult to form.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
You dont need premades to complete BHE nor to achieve teamwork.
I'm not sure if this is irony, but I've found BotSE to be very easy. Most people know what to do and do it just fine.
BHE, on the other hand, people not knowing alarm bugs aside, the final fight is and always has been ridiculous, spammy, and stupidly designed. I am not surprised that Vanderveer is an idiot that stands in the toxic pools and gets killed. I do know as an engineer I don't bother placing generators in that fight because it is pointless. They die in seconds and protect no one, often getting me killed as I stand there placing them.
I have yet to try this new and "unchanged" version, but I would not be surprised if it became even stupider than it already was. I can't imagine expecting a science officer's heals to keep up with the spam, if they even have any heals (Hey Cryptic how about letting us craft or buy the damned kit modules we want already?)
You either DPS Through with brute force (hence save/time your buffs when Deveer makes a bridge).
You draw aggro yourself. Can be done with healing aggro and some AoE-Moves (Delta T5 for example. Yes, it does more than just killing things)
You can heal him. You need that tactic if the other two are not useable with your teamsetup. Ironically, this one needs a stricter Teamsetup than the other.
Elite being Elite, where is the problem? The only thing they really nerfed was Nukara Self Destructing Tendencies. The reward is now far too low for the teamquality needed. Its the same reward as Transimensional tacitcs. The latter you can pug easy, the former you cant. Talk about "equal rewards for equal difficulty".
The only thing you need to do is to keep him alive lol. And that is not difficult.
The problems start when more than half of your team are noobies or they dont have a clue what to do. Then, the difficulty increases exponentially. But people complaining about an ELITE queue being too hard or impossible.. well, i mean.. really? lolz.
If this is what you call 'impossible' while others have succeeded without much extra effort, then I don't think you should be playing elite. Or maybe not pug it, to ensure you have someone who can heal, I don't know if there was such a player on your team of course.
It would be nice however if cryptic broke with tradition and actually mentioned this addition in the patch notes. But no doubt if enough people complain about it they'll alter it again.
Fair enuf, but this change is nothing of that. Similar to the idiot Orion case in brotherhood, thats not teamwork nor challanging to let the failure of the entire mission to the hazard aka buggy and stupid AI/NPC. Cure ground was mentioned as a good teamwork exemple. I'll add infected ground aswell. YES, in those is teamwork and coordonation. It depends on the player. But here, on top of keeping ur team alive, you have to look for the idiot NPC too. And he is not even in ur team. If HE WAS PART OF MY TEAM, I could cleanse his debuffs, toss some team heals/buffs as such. But like this? Its like standing on ur head, while balancing a spining plate on a stick. And calling it teamwork and challanging? LOL good joke there.
And how it was implemented - sneaky/stealty. That was really low. Probably to sell the new research lab kit frames...
is there anyway maybeee someone cannn find out for us?? @borticuscryptic @pwgroverclvlnd @pwlaughingtrendy wheather this is an intended change and if so then ermmm was it meant to be on this weeks patch notes?
Tip: Just say its easy. Everyone with a bit of skills can acknowledge that. "Easiest" just brings about more stuff one could argue about. Like I just though upon reading your answer "Meh, DRSE and NTTE are even easier"
Way to kill one of the only busy queues as BHE is now sadly going to become unpuggable
This new "unchanged" fail condition only applies in the final fight.
But, first off, his shields do not regenerate out of battle, this is a major bug if we are expected to protect him, because he ends up going into the battle with no shields if no one can repair them.
Second, as predicted, engineering generators were utterly worthless in protecting him. They get destroyed fast and of course don't do much anyway with the kind of aggro he artificially draws.
Third, bugs swarm him and completely ignore aggro from everyone else. I'm not sure why or what exactly is supposed to be done to counter that outside of massive DPS and continuous healing.
So it seems like you need someone to babysit him. Maybe also to destroy the first bug swarm that goes after him.
There's your problem.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I dare you to do better.
Although I understand where you're coming from sometimes getting a group together of fellow fleet members etc is not always possible.
So with this new condition it has made this map very unlikely to be achieved in pug groups.
I've been playing elite for a very long time way before the new levels etc with my tac and eng, yes there is logic with trying a Sci but this still doesn't negate the fact this condition is not doable with 80% of the player base in pugs
also I do not want to have roll another toon just to be able to achieve what two days ago I could with no problems.