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ssbn655ssbn655 Member Posts: 1,894 Arc User
Ok folks I have just one beef with this whole Command/Intel/Pilot thing. Some ships really need the Hybrid Boff slot for the first Boff trait i.e. Eng, Sci, or Tac with the Command,Intel,Pilot being not so much a priority. Plus there are very viable t5 ships around that could usea little love that have no Hybrid slot yet have a "universal" Boff slot or two. Why not make at least teh single trait slot universal boff slots truely universal and allow them to be used for any trait be it "normal" or a command /intel/pilot? One slot dedicted to any trait is not that big a deal but sure as heck would breathe some life into some decent t5's like the Oddy, Mogh and Rom's. Plus what the point in having Level 3 (4 boxes) pilot Science when the Boff slot only goes to Level 2 (3 boxes)

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  • kjwashingtonkjwashington Member Posts: 2,529 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    I'm pretty sure that the reason they don't do this is so that BoPs don't become OP.

    That said, I'm curious to see how the T6 B'rel turns out.
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    You guys would not want to face BOPs that have all their Universal Stations being able to slot Specialization abilities :D
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  • seriousdaveseriousdave Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    You guys would not want to face BOPs that have all their Universal Stations being able to slot Specialization abilities :D

    Yeah, that would be pretty bad. The stuff one could pull off with something like this......terrifying... :s

    Been wondering for a while how the T6 bop layout will look like, probably similar to the pilot raptors.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    I'm pretty sure that the reason they don't do this is so that BoPs don't become OP.

    That said, I'm curious to see how the T6 B'rel turns out.
    And low level ships don't get access to them. And to ensure they can keep selling ships with meaningful bridge officer combinations that you can't already have with another ship with an universal slot.


    It will not happen.

    You guys would not want to face BOPs that have all their Universal Stations being able to slot Specialization abilities :D
    I doubt that the guys asking for it have to worry facing BOPs. I am fairly confident they only look at it from a PvE perspective, and it doesn't matter how broken and overpowered any particular ship beomes then, because they never have to fight against it.

    But of course, a few months later they'll realize that countless of ships are now considered useless/underpowered because they don't have enough universal slots and if you want to win the DPS race, you must fly BOP or a similar ship with high level universal slots. ​​
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  • ssbn655ssbn655 Member Posts: 1,894 Arc User
    To those speculating I think you missed the Universal Slot I was refering to. It was a SINGLE ABILITY SLOT not the mutiple 2,3 ability universal slot.
  • ssbn655ssbn655 Member Posts: 1,894 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    Plus PVP is dead so who cares about a BOP? They are glass cannons by any measure and frankly once you have acess to the far superior Fleet Matha which by any measure is superior to all the bops why even bother with them?
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,016 Arc User
    Specialist seats exist because they saturated all possible eng/sci/tac/uni combinations on T5 ships. In order to sell T6, traits and specialist seats need to be exclusive.​​
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  • asuran14asuran14 Member Posts: 2,335 Arc User
    Or you can make it that uni seats are limited in what ability rank you can use from spec (command/intel/pilot/ext) abilties, making it that if you want to use the top tier spec abilties you need a deticated seat for it not a just high rank uni seat. Though you could also put a efficency reduction on abilties used from a uni seat, but allow full acess to all ranks of spec abilities could also work. Even from a sense that equipment wise a deticated hybrid seat would have controls an such that are programed an made to use thse abilties, where as a uni seat is using what it has with work arounds to make them work leading to a reduction in effective power of the abilities being used. Is this a perfect way of doing it not really, but it would work an could actually satify both sides to some degree.
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    patrickngo wrote: »
    asuran14 wrote: »
    Or you can make it that uni seats are limited in what ability rank you can use from spec (command/intel/pilot/ext) abilties, making it that if you want to use the top tier spec abilties you need a deticated seat for it not a just high rank uni seat. Though you could also put a efficency reduction on abilties used from a uni seat, but allow full acess to all ranks of spec abilities could also work. Even from a sense that equipment wise a deticated hybrid seat would have controls an such that are programed an made to use thse abilties, where as a uni seat is using what it has with work arounds to make them work leading to a reduction in effective power of the abilities being used. Is this a perfect way of doing it not really, but it would work an could actually satify both sides to some degree.

    ship's already sailed on that idea- Jem'Hadar Strike Ship. (Look it up), universal slots, with Specializations, no apparent rank limit beyond the actual slot size, and likely they weren't thinking on that vein when they built the code for it.

    Not sure what ship you think sailed here - the Universal Slot on the Jem'Hadar ship can only carry one particular specialization, not any.

    Unless the Tier 6 BOP will break the all-universal pattern for KDF BOPs, it will work similar there. Any of the standard base class Bridge Officers, but only one particular specialization.​​
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  • ssbn655ssbn655 Member Posts: 1,894 Arc User
    patrickngo wrote: »
    asuran14 wrote: »
    Or you can make it that uni seats are limited in what ability rank you can use from spec (command/intel/pilot/ext) abilties, making it that if you want to use the top tier spec abilties you need a deticated seat for it not a just high rank uni seat. Though you could also put a efficency reduction on abilties used from a uni seat, but allow full acess to all ranks of spec abilities could also work. Even from a sense that equipment wise a deticated hybrid seat would have controls an such that are programed an made to use t

    Because some of us haven't had a PvP match in almost a year, but still fly our BoPs regularly-and successfully in PvE. The regurgitated Qin (Mat'ha) just doesn't satisfy-nor do the Pilot raptors (but they're at least closer). BoPs are a bit more interesting to fly than FAW/Circlestrafe Escorts and Cruisers, if you don't know, then you don't know, and you probably will never understand so there's no point in explaining it beyond this simple fact:

    My BoPs don't DPS parse worth a damn, but I kill things faster than a lot of DPS obsessive parsers, and I have a lot more fun doing it, than I would if I confined my grind to the optimal design (Which is a Tac Cruiser with beam arrays and embassy consoles running FAW...)

    The Mat'Ha is just a means to obtain OWF for me, which combined with the Tier Six Vet ship's trait and spec into command, gives me something kind of cool...on a Bird of Prey-because it's different. The whole reason for a T6 BoP is because it's NOT a cookie-cutter Escort or Cruiser, and the builds that work for those things don't always work for it...so there's still something interesting to play with there that doesn't come out pre-optimized with pages of the work already done for you on the DPS channels.

    IOW some of us in KDF still don't have a desperate need for training wheels or Geko to hold our hands.

    Assuming a lot with your entire reply. And didn't gecko leave like a year ago? And to be blunt it's BOP's that the rest of us are carrying in PVE as your precious BOP's are usually burning or are off chasing stuff that doesn't matter.
  • ssbn655ssbn655 Member Posts: 1,894 Arc User
    angrytarg wrote: »
    Specialist seats exist because they saturated all possible eng/sci/tac/uni combinations on T5 ships. In order to sell T6, traits and specialist seats need to be exclusive.​​

    Lets speak some truth here take the command cruisers for example. Eng/Cmnd hybrid slot. Ok fill it with eng talents which you need you end up with zero Cmnd talents available period. Fill it with Cmnd you need to use your universals for Eng so again you loose out on abilities. Which is why I think it would be reasonable a player be allowed to slot in at least one of the "special" talents in a single slot universal.
  • lsegnlsegn Member Posts: 594 Arc User
    ssbn655 wrote: »
    Ok folks I have just one beef with this whole Command/Intel/Pilot thing. Some ships really need the Hybrid Boff slot for the first Boff trait i.e. Eng, Sci, or Tac with the Command,Intel,Pilot being not so much a priority. Plus there are very viable t5 ships around that could usea little love that have no Hybrid slot yet have a "universal" Boff slot or two. Why not make at least teh single trait slot universal boff slots truely universal and allow them to be used for any trait be it "normal" or a command /intel/pilot? One slot dedicted to any trait is not that big a deal but sure as heck would breathe some life into some decent t5's like the Oddy, Mogh and Rom's. Plus what the point in having Level 3 (4 boxes) pilot Science when the Boff slot only goes to Level 2 (3 boxes)

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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    patrickngo wrote: »
    asuran14 wrote: »
    Or you can make it that uni seats are limited in what ability rank you can use from spec (command/intel/pilot/ext) abilties, making it that if you want to use the top tier spec abilties you need a deticated seat for it not a just high rank uni seat. Though you could also put a efficency reduction on abilties used from a uni seat, but allow full acess to all ranks of spec abilities could also work. Even from a sense that equipment wise a deticated hybrid seat would have controls an such that are programed an made to use thse abilties, where as a uni seat is using what it has with work arounds to make them work leading to a reduction in effective power of the abilities being used. Is this a perfect way of doing it not really, but it would work an could actually satify both sides to some degree.

    ship's already sailed on that idea- Jem'Hadar Strike Ship. (Look it up), universal slots, with Specializations, no apparent rank limit beyond the actual slot size, and likely they weren't thinking on that vein when they built the code for it.

    Not sure what ship you think sailed here - the Universal Slot on the Jem'Hadar ship can only carry one particular specialization, not any.

    Unless the Tier 6 BOP will break the all-universal pattern for KDF BOPs, it will work similar there. Any of the standard base class Bridge Officers, but only one particular specialization.​​

    He means that the JHSS simply is groundbreaking for the fact that it has a Universal Station that can slot a Spec ability.

    Before the JHSS came out, there was talk that a T6 BOP is impossible because that means assigning a Specialization to a Universal Station. Before the JHSS, no ship has ever had that unique ability. But the JHSS showed it was possible. Months later we see "unofficial word" about a T6 B'Rel.
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